it was Ron who used the term clean up work of the brood boxes and told of the extra profit that was made by extracting they honey
Ron doesn't do a very good job of explaining things online, and he doesn't bother to correct folks when they try to start rumors.
A good deal of the problem is that people do not understand how the bees configure a hive when they are ran in a single deep. Almost all of the honey is stored above the excluder. When Ron talks of taking of taking all the honey, he is talking about taking all of the supers above the excluder. This is taking all the honey because there is no honey left in the broodnest. (or no significant amount)
The cleanup work of broodboxes is wintertime work at the shop; blowing dead bees out of brood combs, filling frames with syrup, etc.
or perhaps you can tell me about frames of honey that where compiled after the shake and what became of the honey frames-
What honey frames? There aren't any. If a frame has a little bit in the corners, they just leave it alone and fill the rest of the frame with syrup.
at any rate -the condition of the bees is something eles you have mentioned-is this a mite issue or just a issue of
no winter bees being reared and a time frame issue
I don't know. Mites did not appear to be a very big issue. You might see a few when you broke open drone brood, but there didn't appear to be a heavy infestation, and you didn't see baby bees with chewed up wings.
I tried overwintering some of the same stock, with horrible success. (11 of 15 dead so far) It appears these bees are good honey producers, but just can't hack our winters.
I had wondered if part of Ron's overwintering problems were due to chemically contaminated brood combs, from years past when they dumped chemicals into hives. Given my poor overwintering with clean combs, I don't know how much of a factor it is.
also the price for the bees i know it is carved in stone in some post but do you have first hand no-ledge
It was X dollars for 800 many hives, but if less hives were shook they would pro-rate the hives that didn't get shook. The bees sold for about the price of a bulk queen.
also wondered if you your self have given any thought as to obtaining these bees-or
After seeing the winter quality of these bees, I wouldn't want any more.
I wouldn't consider buying shake bees unless I could take them to someplace warmer to feed them out for the winter.
The old method was to take all the honey above the excluder, and the bees would starve within a couple days. In the winter, clean up the boxes and blow the dead bees out of combs with an air compressor, and then fill the frames with syrup.
If they were my bees, I'd let them starve before I would shake them into someone else's equipment. It's too much work, for too little pay.
yes most interesting topic indeed cool 5 tons from the BROOD BOXS --RDY-B
Ron did NOT say he got 5 tons from the brood boxes. Don't think that what you call a leftover pull and what he calls leftovers are the same thing.
He said he thought he'd get about 5 tons from the leftovers. The 'leftovers' are not the brood boxes. Leftovers are supers above excluders. When you do the second pull, you leave the bees a super to store goldenrod or whatever in. When you come back to shake, anything in that super is a leftover. When you do the second pull, if you can't fit all the supers on the truck, you leave supers of honey on a couple hives. Those supers are leftovers. If you had a queen get above the excluder, you get her back down, but you leave the supers she got into. When you come back to shake, the bees in the supers have hatched out, and those supers are leftovers.