it ain't a problem with math, I was using it as a sample (expression), the only problem I have is paying that for queens I don't want to raise from or sale! the price is you pay for what you get and they have nothing I want, I started beekeeping with a few Italians from Hawaii and then started doing removals the same year, I noticed that most of the hives I removed had been there for years and nobody treated them, so I learned how to raise queens from fatbeeman (Don) and redtractor1 ( Dwight) the second year and raised from them hives, since while doing removals I bought PBA queens and had good luck but they are at one of my yards mixed with some of my removal hives (very good queens for 3 years now), I have a test yard for new removal hive's to see how they do, I want to buy proven stock if I integrate with my own and will have a test yard for those also, I have about 5 extra out yards to use now and more to come, I just want bee's that don't need treatments on any size comb and survive. thats the price I will pay, one day I will sell queens that I can back up without treatments, they might cost ;)