Kathy, I actually didn't have anyone specific in mind (except maybe Terri), but ok, whatever

removal of ... due process, the right to face an accuser, and the concept of innocent until proven guilty isn't the answer to anything ... except how to achieve tyranny.
this case happens to be a wonderful example of that ... except the tyrants were not competent enough to achieve their objective.
The abuse of red flag laws is no longer a matter of potential. The real-world examples are already piling up.
The "problems" that red flag laws are supposedly written to address were largely created by bad court decisions becoming law and by idiotic laws passed as a knee-jerk reaction to "protect" the mentally ill and imagined rights of habitual criminals. Trying to correct bad laws with other bad laws is just foolishness.
It isn't a question of pursuing perfection. It is a question of whether you are willing to erode or destroy the basis of the rule of law in pursuit of an imagined "good".
btw ...Babbit was shot while a group was in the process of breaching a locked door and she was in the group. The window was broken through and open at the time of the shot. The officer fired a little prematurely for my tastes (he should have waited until someone broke the plane of the doorway/window). And as almost always in cop shootings, I question his marksmanship (there's some doubt as to exactly what she was doing at the time and whether she was the target of the officer).
She was either part of the breaching of the door or otherwise put herself in harm's way. Sorry to burst bubbles, but lethal force was justified to protect the area beyond the doors. The cops on the mob side of the doors .. that stepped aside to allow the mob to hack into them ... should face more repercussions than the officer that fired the weapon.
and your use of the word "permissive" left me utterly confused. Could you explain what you meant?