Michigan voter fraud exposed.

[sawdstmakr]

Ben,
What is really sad is that our media is one of the prime reasons that so many people hate Trump. The problem is that most of them are controlled by communism leaning people. Ronald Reagan documented this years ago about the movie business. It started a long time ago and they are the ones brain washing the American people.
Jim Altmiller

[Ben Framed]

Thanks Jim. We, on the tower, blew the trumpet. We did our best to warn the people.


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[Acebird]

Which is saddest? A nation that would willingly give up its Liberty, its Freedom, turning its back on its very own Constitutional form of government and the most unique form of government the world has ever known, in exchange for a socialism leaning leader through a fair and honestly held election? Or a nation which may have said no to socialism yet may have had that very election stolen, or in the process of being stolen via corruption?  If it was a honest election that would be that and a sad day for freedom and the America way of Life. But what if stolen? Which would be worse? I suppose we will see once the evidence is presented to our courts.  Either way, I Thank God for the opportunity we Americans have experienced, even up to this minute, to live in a nation where even the most oppressed can say.  >Thank God Almighty We are free at last!< How soon that freedom may be secured or lost. Sad it has gone this far. Sad that so many have gone along with the left, simply because they hate President Trump.  Double Sad.   No; Triple  Sad......

Phill I avoided this thread because of the irony of the title.  But I am afraid you have everything reversed.  Corruption and a stolen election occurred in 2016 due to Russian medaling changing the minds of people with propaganda who do not make up their minds until the last minute.  They took a chance and voted for Trump.  Less than 4 years went by, far less then 4 and they realized their mistake.  The mistake was so obvious that even long time republicans not only voted for Biden they organized against Trump.  So when you say the left stole the election I ask you what left?  Republicans, independents, socialist, democrats?  Yes, all of them.  What is sad is that you have no idea what democracy, freedom and the American way is.  We have a self correcting government if and only if we do not let a dictator take hold.  That is when all freedoms are lost and most especially the second amendment.
I hope you will wish our new president well like you canvased "the left" to do the same for mr. Trump, now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[Ben Framed]

Which is saddest? A nation that would willingly give up its Liberty, its Freedom, turning its back on its very own Constitutional form of government and the most unique form of government the world has ever known, in exchange for a socialism leaning leader through a fair and honestly held election? Or a nation which may have said no to socialism yet may have had that very election stolen, or in the process of being stolen via corruption?  If it was a honest election that would be that and a sad day for freedom and the America way of Life. But what if stolen? Which would be worse? I suppose we will see once the evidence is presented to our courts.  Either way, I Thank God for the opportunity we Americans have experienced, even up to this minute, to live in a nation where even the most oppressed can say.  >Thank God Almighty We are free at last!< How soon that freedom may be secured or lost. Sad it has gone this far. Sad that so many have gone along with the left, simply because they hate President Trump.  Double Sad.   No; Triple  Sad......

Phill I avoided this thread because of the irony of the title.  But I am afraid you have everything reversed.  Corruption and a stolen election occurred in 2016 due to Russian medaling changing the minds of people with propaganda who do not make up their minds until the last minute.  They took a chance and voted for Trump.  Less than 4 years went by, far less then 4 and they realized their mistake.  The mistake was so obvious that even long time republicans not only voted for Biden they organized against Trump.  So when you say the left stole the election I ask you what left?  Republicans, independents, socialist, democrats?  Yes, all of them.  What is sad is that you have no idea what democracy, freedom and the American way is.  We have a self correcting government if and only if we do not let a dictator take hold.  That is when all freedoms are lost and most especially the second amendment.
I hope you will wish our new president well like you canvased "the left" to do the same for mr. Trump, now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Russia helped Trump you say? By giving Donald Trump or Donald Jr money directly from  the Widow of the Mayor of Moscow? The very Capital of Russia. If that were so then..... You have it backwards my friend, not me. It was the Bidens namely Hunter, Joe's son not Donalds, that was being forked over money from the Russians. It is the left which has been blowing that hollow tune of false propaganda of Russia for 4 years that you are echoing even now. The leftist media that Jim mentioned. If you were to Investigate, you might learn more about this instead of repeating the Bunkum that is fed to so many by these groups posing as News Agencies. Using hate as their fuel. Hate is a powerful tool to the uninformed.

Back to the fraud of the election. Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places? Not only in Michigan but others as well? I will dare to Guess no. Because You still believe the bull about Russian and Trump, even after years of investigation, of apparently republicans only, democrats excluded investigations. Do you want to win by law breaking counters and cheating? Not to mention the voting machines. Do you think this will heal America by stealing? Do you think for one second this will bring unity? And if your man was so good and so loved, or preferred, why cheat in the first place? I would think you would know the answer to that. You have stated your opinion to me, This is my answer back to you. There is plenty more if you wish?

[Ben Framed]

As a side note to the above:
President Trump made several promises to America. Most of those promises have been kept except the greatest promise of all. "Drain the swamp", Will the President keep that promise, no matter who the enemies of the Constitution may be? Be they Republicans, Independents, Socialist, Democrats or anyone in Washington who may be an enemy of The United States of America as laid out by our Constitution? So far that promise has not been kept. Will it be kept? We will see. I do not know.

[Milo]

...Back to the fraud of the election. Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places? Not only in Michigan but others as well?...

An accusation of wide spread election fraud unsupported by evidence. As the Judge in Pennsylvania put it; This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence

Look at cases that have evidence of alleged fraud, not just hot air being yelled at the clouds or into the interwebs. Cases like Leslie McCrae Dowless & Kelly Reagan Brunner

[Ben Framed]

> This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence


Yes that is what the Pennsylvania Judge said. I am working and can not look up your cases but will do so later.

[Acebird]

Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places?

Phill that can't happen without republican involvement.  They are both there practically shoulder to shoulder.  The faults accusations are just that faults accusations.  Proven by the recounts and certifications.  Time to give up the nonsense.  He is a liar.  He always was.  And you worship him like a god.  That is what is sad.

[Ben Framed]

>Phill that can't happen without republican involvement.  They are both there practically shoulder to shoulder. 

Yes that is the way it is set up. But not allowed in some KEY precincts, according to very ones, (official witnesses). Republicans officials who were there for that very reason were not allowed even close to the counting. But were placed behind barriers. Lawsuits were filed and won. Still the republican officials were held back and court orders were ignored in some key precincts. You know this. It is public record. 
 
>And you worship him like a god.  That is what is sad.

Untrue, You and I have discussed this more than once. As every time before, I will say it even again, I realize he is standing for the Constitution and Freedom by the way of the same Constitution, against socialism, communism and any other form of Government which opposes our Constitution, as these do not fit in with our Constitutional form of Government. 
I will again refer you to post 79

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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[minz]

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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Do you mean the ?My Cousin Vinnie? one man play with the hair polish running down the side of his face! Greatest press conference ever. How the deep state stole the election by using voting machines from Venezuela , routing it through Spain with dollars from Russia.
I thought that was a joke. Even Chris Christy said it was a travesty.
You must be trolling.....

[Ben Framed]

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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Do you mean the ?My Cousin Vinnie? one man play with the hair polish running down the side of his face! Greatest press conference ever. How the deep state stole the election by using voting machines from Venezuela , routing it through Spain with dollars from Russia.
I thought that was a joke. Even Chris Christy said it was a travesty.
You must be trolling.....

Me Trolling you ask? Hum let's take a look.
If you are referring to the conference where Mayor Giuliani mentioned My Cousin Vinny, a clever simile Liken to the scene where the Republican officials were expected to view the openings of the mailed in ballots, along with regular counting of ballots, from a distance as far or further than the lady in the movie scene, then yes. Actually a good simile for those who do not have the insight to recognize distance when referred to in measurements of feet. As for your nasty statement of Mayor Giuliani; The very mayor which may very well be the best Mayor New York has ever seen; I'm not surprised, typical and par treatment displayed by the ugliness of the left.

Since you have been in semi-reclusness for the time I have been here, let me ask you. Are you trolling or just strolling today? I will go ahead and assume both. You certainly have not made any valid points that I can recognize. lol


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[minz]

Both, just having some fun.

[Ben Framed]

As I suspected ....   



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[cidersabuzzin]

Both, just having some fun.

Welcome to the club Minz, welcome to the club

[Ben Framed]

Hum
Start at 7:24


CC for the hearing impaired

[Michael Bush]

[Ben Framed]

You might add Nevada to the list.

No proof?  Try finding this on YouTube, Twitter, ETC. Hum



https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4931722/user-clip-jesse-binnall-opening-statement

[Michael Bush]

All I hear from the left is "nothing to see here"  or in another context "these aren't the droids you're looking for..."  If there is nothing to hide, then let's do an audit.  Of course if you keep counting fraudulent ballots you'll keep getting the came count.  But if you look at every ballot you can see the fraud that thousands of sworn affidavits have talked about.  Apparently no one remembers how to run an election.  We've been doing this a long time.  Every ballot has to be accounted for from when they are printed to when they are counted.  They have to be signed by poll workers.  The numbers have to add up.  The number of ballots sent to the poll has to equal the number of ballots returned.  There has to be a consistent chain of custody.  We have ways of preventing and detecting ballot box stuffing, but only if those procedures are followed.  Why are they fighting every subpoena to look at any of this?  And why are they shredding ballots and wiping voting machines?  People with nothing to hide don't need to block all attempts to look at the evidence.

[Ben Framed]

 Good post Mr Bush








                                                                                                 

[Milo]

And yet it appears that your election officials do know how to run an election and that many of the observers that objected to issues and signed affidavits have NFI (need further information) in how the process actually runs.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7333928-Elections-Mich-Affidavit-Thomas-1.html