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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2020, 10:54:59 am »
When 'bammy got elected, the dems were constantly quoting "If you don't respect the man, at least respect the office".  How many times have you heard them quote it since Trump got in.
They are the most hypocritical, lying, self centered group that has ever held power in the USA.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2020, 12:46:23 pm »
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Things go pretty well in this country until the system of checks and balances get compromised.  That is why a guy like Trump is the worst thing that could happen to this country.  Someone that can't lead and someone that thinks he can do no wrong.

I can list all kinds of times the system of checks and balances has been compromised.  This primarily happens in leftist courts.  Since Trump did not have unlimited power, there is no way he could become the dictator you make him out to be.  In fact, his wishes were often thwarted by the system.  What he thought or did not think makes no difference.

What is interesting about the arguments you keep making is that the very system, and specifically the constituion, is what is supposed to keep us in ballance.  Even so, you want the constitution to be some kind of fluid guide rather than the law. 
Let us hope that GA does not end up putting dem senators in because the only check on the leftist wish list will be the SCOTUS and a conservative court is not going to over-rule the legislature unless they pass laws that are unconstituional. 



They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2020, 06:03:51 pm »
God almighty Phil I want some of what your drinking...
Wally, you mean like Lyndsey Graham and Mitch?
Kathy what is a leftist court?  Why should SCOTUS overrule the legislature if the laws are not unconstitutional?  And the constitution has written in it a procedure to change it.  Probably the smartest idea the fore fathers ever had.  You should be grateful.
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2020, 06:32:00 pm »
I never heard either of those two say respect the office, did you? I heard many dems say it when 'bammy got in. Haven't heard a dem say it in 4 years. Have you? I notice you didn't answer that part of the post, and really don't expect you will answer it now.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2020, 09:08:10 pm »
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Kathy what is a leftist court?  Why should SCOTUS overrule the legislature if the laws are not unconstitutional?  And the constitution has written in it a procedure to change it.  Probably the smartest idea the fore fathers ever had.  You should be grateful.

A leftist court legislates from the bench.  SCOTUS should overrule if a law is found to be unconstitutional.  That is the only time they should interfere.  Yes, the constitution can be changed, but there is a procedure for doing that.  Ignoring it is not part of the procedure.

If the legislature fails to act, it is not up to the court to decide what they should have done.  Immigration is an example.  We have immigration laws.  I think we all agree that those laws need to be looked at and reformed.  Just because Congress has failed to act, it does not mean that the court should act on anything other than the laws as they exist as long as they are constitutional. 

Gay marriage:  Marriage is not addressed in the constitution.  It is an issue left to the states. They don't even have to have marriage licensing or have anything to do with it if they don't want to.  Even so, the court felt the need to step in and dictate that all had to allow gay marriage.  Now I don't care about that one way or another, but it was something that SCOTUS had no business even taking up, much less making law about it.  Same with abortion. 
Presidents can't make law.  They can do EOs within the laws that exist.  Some step outside those laws as Obama did with DACA.  DACA is not a law and does not conform with immigration laws as they exist.  Congress could have taken that up, but chose not to.  It might have been a better use of Nancys time than the impeachment waste.  There was bipartisan support for addressing the issue. 







They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2020, 09:26:21 am »
The impeachment isn't a waste. Trump was impeached.  The senate, namely Mitch corrupted the function of the senate from doing their job.  This is the problem we have with the set up of our government.  All important decisions and Scotus should be made up of a group of equal party members.  Like for instance 3 republicans, 3 democrats and 3 independents.  The president should have nothing to do with choosing heads of the DOJ, law enforcement,  Scotus, or the military.  This is the one area where the founding fathers screwed up.  In no way shape or form should any position in government be a life term.  That is a huge problem.  The fore fathers had no idea how fast the world would change any more than they had any idea a man would set foot on the moon.  And that is ancient history.
The instant federal income tax was created it requires decisions from Scotus that were not in its original realm.  No government entity should have any say about abortion because it is a medical procedure that is only opposed by religion.
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2020, 10:06:00 am »
That is why a guy like Trump is the worst thing that could happen to this country.  Someone that can't lead and someone that thinks he can do no wrong.

Or worse, when you do finally find someone who has proven he CAN lead and lead well; yet find himself rejected by almost half a nation which seem to have fallen under the delusional spell of hateful music played by the piper and his orchestra of musicians to the tune of hate, played day and night, night and day, relentless hate filled accusations and rhetoric, while unwittingly doing exactly what they are accusing the elected leader of. Blindly hatefully dividing our nation. Never have I seen so much unjustified hate which was spewed at President Trump coming from the camp of the left. Not one ounce of love or compassion or even appreciation from their leaders. Hate, hate, and more blind hate. Yet through it ALL the President has kept his composure focusing on work for our Nation, America and ALL Americans. Fighting a good fight. 

God almighty Phil I want some of what your drinking...


The question is what are you thinking Brian, I would have thought, you of all people, being of German Descent would recognize hate faster than most instead of embracing it, the party of hate; the Democratic Party? I certainly hope you are just trolling? By going along with these haters, does this not make those which go along, a part of this hate filled Party? What happened when the Socialist, Hitler's party, took control in Germany? Did the German people go along also? Sadly history says yes.

Here you will find just one example of what the (party of hate) Democrats; have to say about republicans (The Deplorables) according to one of your main leaders. Must I remind you Republicans are your fellow citizens just as the Jews were in Germany.  Hate, (from THE Dividing PARTY and its allies in the news media), has been spewing since Mr Trump announced he was running for President 2016.  Your Party Ace?

(Quote)  Shunning shaming these people is a statement of moral indignation. These people are not fit for polite society. It?s not only that trump has to lose,  but that all his enablers have to lose.  Have too; we have to in essence burn down the Republican Party, aw we have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm they will do it again.  (Unquote)
Jennifer Rubin of the New York post.

Perhaps you do need to drink what I have been drinking instead of the poison ☠️ of your party, the hate filled Left?

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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2020, 11:30:16 am »
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The impeachment isn't a waste. Trump was impeached.  The senate, namely Mitch corrupted the function of the senate from doing their job.  This is the problem we have with the set up of our government.  All important decisions and Scotus should be made up of a group of equal party members.  Like for instance 3 republicans, 3 democrats and 3 independents.  The president should have nothing to do with choosing heads of the DOJ, law enforcement,  Scotus, or the military.  This is the one area where the founding fathers screwed up.  In no way shape or form should any position in government be a life term.  That is a huge problem.  The fore fathers had no idea how fast the world would change any more than they had any idea a man would set foot on the moon.  And that is ancient history.
The instant federal income tax was created it requires decisions from Scotus that were not in its original realm.  No government entity should have any say about abortion because it is a medical procedure that is only opposed by religion.

Impeachment is a trial.  Clinton was also impeached.  It is up to the house to make the case and then send it to the senate.  In the Trump impeachment, the case was not made and the vote to send it on was along party lines.  In the Clinton case, there was a bipartisan vote to pass the case to the Senate.  He was not found guilty in the Senate.  Also a bipartisan effort.

In the Clinton case, he was tried for actual federal crimes.  The 11 impeachable crimes that were sent to the senate from the federal prosecutor can be found online.  Of those 11 they chose 7.

In the Trump case, there were no impeachable crimes, but there were rumors and leakers.  When those who were not "anonymous" were put under oath, the case they thought they might have, fell apart.  Not one of those who testified could show a crime.  And since I watched or listened to all of it, I can tell you that it was a CF from the beginning.  Even so, with only Democrat votes, it was sent to the Senate where it was rightly dismissed. 

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All important decisions and Scotus should be made up of a group of equal party members.

If you are going to make decisions that way, there is no point in voting for Congress.  Just pick some people from each party and let them do the job.  SCOTUS is not a political tool unless the left gets a bunch of leftist judges on there.  It is a tool to judge legislation against the constitution.  That's why I laugh when leftists have a fit over "conservative" judges that promise to follow the constitution....or, in other words, do their job.

You will probably get an example of how it is supposed to be done with the ACA case.

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The president should have nothing to do with choosing heads of the DOJ, law enforcement,  Scotus, or the military.  This is the one area where the founding fathers screwed up.  In no way shape or form should any position in government be a life term.

Who would you have pick those positions then?  The president is the chief law enforcement officer in the land.  To that end, he gets to pick those positions.  The president is the Commander In Chief of the military.  To that end, he gets to pick some of the military top leaders.
SCOTUS is a lifetime appointment so that the judges can make independent decisions.  And they do.  Roberts disappointed a lot of us with his ACA ruling, but he had the freedom to do that because he didn't have to worry about losing his job over it.

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The instant federal income tax was created it requires decisions from Scotus that were not in its original realm.  No government entity should have any say about abortion because it is a medical procedure that is only opposed by religion

The federal income tax is a constitutional amendment. 

Abortion is a question that should have been left to the states.  It doesn't matter why people are for or against it.  It should not have become a federal issue and it was not for SCOTUS to decide.  Like gay marriage, it was another case of the left not wanting to convince the people a thing was right when they could convince a court to force it on people. 


They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2020, 08:52:21 pm »
In the early 1930's The Nazis used propaganda campaigns to promote the party's virulent hatred of Jews. The Nazis wanted to portray the Jews as sub-human, inferior beings. Shortly after Hitler came to power. The Nazis introduced anti-Jewish decrees, which gradually eliminated the rights of Jewish citizens. Jews were regularly persecuted and humiliated. Many members of the German public were bystanders and did nothing to condemn the Nazi racial policies. All Jews and non-Aryans were excluded from Germany society. They could no longer hold government jobs, own property or run their own businesses.   

2000 SS, Gestapo and German police were joined by Romanians, Ukranians, Latvians and Lithuanians who followed the German army of 5.5 million men.They formed mobile killing squads called Einsatzgruppen and were responsible for the murder of approximately 2 million Jews and thousands of Roma and Sinti( Gypsies). This was the start of the Holocaust.

Now 2019/2020; We are hearing similar retrick except this time this similar type HATE is from (Democrats) (Quote) Your Party Ace?

>now quoting Jennifer Ruben
"Shunning shaming these people is a statement of moral indignation. These people are not fit for polite society. It?s not only that trump has to lose,  but that all his enablers have to lose.  Have too; we have to in essence burn down the Republican Party, aw we have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm they will do it again. " <
Jennifer Rubin of the New York post..




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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2020, 09:05:57 pm »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

?Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future?? she wrote. ?I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future.?

A group calling itself the Trump Accountability Project sprung up to heed AOC?s call.

?Remember what they did,? the group?s sparse website declares. ?We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience: Those who elected him. Those who staffed his government. Those who funded him.?
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2020, 09:30:44 pm »


An excellent open letter to VP Biden.

Dear Vice President Biden,l

Although I refused to listen to it, I understand that during your presidential acceptance speach, you were calling for the unity of Trump supporters. I remember four years ago my President Trump also called for unity.  I remember how Congressional members of your Democratic Party responded by boycotting his inauguration.   I remember how you and your Democratic party cheated and used the greatest law enforcement institution of this country to spy on my President Trumps campaign. I remember how you and your Democratic Party created a fake Russian dossier to try and impeach my President Trump. I remember how your speaker of the house ripped up my President Trumps beautiful State of the Union speach on National TV.    I remember how you and your Democratic Party tried to impeach my President Trump over a Ukraine phone call.

You accused my President Trump of pay to play.  Come to find out Joe, it was really you and your son Hunter.   I remember how you and your Democratic Party blamed my President Trump over a pandemic that he had nothing to do with.   I remember how you and your Democratic Party encouraged rioting and looting of my great United States of America. I remember how you and your Democratic Party used the media to spread lie after lie about my President Trump.   I remember how you and your Democratic Party stole the election from my President Trump.

When our nations enemies, I.e. China supported your election we should have known the truth about you.

This Trump supporter remembers all that Joe,  and will NOT be unifying with your Democratic Party.   This Trump supporter will be giving you the same respect you gave my President Trump.

Upon entering the military, I took an oath to defend America against all enemies foreign an domestic.  I consider Biden/Harris an enemy of America.  Since there are over 70 million of us, you better get busy ?unifying? the country.

P.S.  News Flash! Wearing masks will not pull the country together.

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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2020, 08:45:43 am »
Abortion is a question that should have been left to the states.
No it should be left as a medical procedure between doctor and patient.  The only objection I have for abortion is that the father has no say.  That I feel is wrong except in the cases of rape.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2020, 08:58:15 am »
Many members of the German public were bystanders and did nothing to condemn the Nazi racial policies.
They loved the gain in their economy and got behind Hitler.  Sound familiar?  The whole narrative fits the Trump presidency.  As Hitler gained power his true intentions came to light.  Then it was too late for Germany. It all starts with the brain washing of the uneducated.  What do you think was discussed in the secrete meeting with Putin?  You don't want to know do you?
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2020, 09:37:39 am »
Many members of the German public were bystanders and did nothing to condemn the Nazi racial policies.
They loved the gain in their economy and got behind Hitler.  Sound familiar?  The whole narrative fits the Trump presidency.  As Hitler gained power his true intentions came to light.  Then it was too late for Germany. It all starts with the brain washing of the uneducated.  What do you think was discussed in the secrete meeting with Putin?  You don't want to know do you?

No not until the last day or so did I understand the depth of hate from Democrats toward Republicans. I, as Mr Trump, was hoping for more from Democrats. And yes, as far as the economy Mr Trump did run on fixing the economy and fix it he did. Doing so for ALL Americans. Those on the left know this and also know their party is now openly promoting hate for not a small percentage of their fellow citizens as Germany's Socialist leader did, (which was horrible), in the 1930's until his fall; . There are those in the Democrat party which are suggesting the same to half the population here in America; yes their very own fellow Americans, (Republicans). Shame is not a good enough word. Especially since the left know how this same type of hateful rhetoric towards their fellow citizens of Germany wound up, including Jews among others.   

In the early 1930's The Nazis used propaganda campaigns to promote the party's virulent hatred of Jews. The Nazis wanted to portray the Jews as sub-human, inferior beings. Shortly after Hitler came to power. The Nazis introduced anti-Jewish decrees, which gradually eliminated the rights of Jewish citizens. Jews were regularly persecuted and humiliated. Many members of the German public were bystanders and did nothing to condemn the Nazi racial policies. All Jews and non-Aryans were excluded from Germany society. They could no longer hold government jobs, own property or run their own businesses.   

2000 SS, Gestapo and German police were joined by Romanians, Ukranians, Latvians and Lithuanians who followed the German army of 5.5 million men.They formed mobile killing squads called Einsatzgruppen and were responsible for the murder of approximately 2 million Jews and thousands of Roma and Sinti( Gypsies). This was the start of the Holocaust.

Now 2019/2020; We are hearing similar retrick except this time this similar type HATE is from (Democrats) (Quote) Your Party Ace?


>now quoting Jennifer Ruben
"Shunning shaming these people is a statement of moral indignation. These people are not fit for polite society. It?s not only that trump has to lose,  but that all his enablers have to lose.  Have too; we have to in essence burn down the Republican Party, aw we have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm they will do it again. " <
Jennifer Rubin of the New York post..

                                                                                                                                                                             


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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2020, 11:28:37 am »
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No it should be left as a medical procedure between doctor and patient.  The only objection I have for abortion is that the father has no say.  That I feel is wrong except in the cases of rape.

there are 3 involved in this procedure.  The child has no say.

I did not become anti-abortion because of religion.  I'll try to give you the RD version.

My brother is now 51.  He was born at 36 weeks and almost died.  I went to work in L&D in the late 70s.  By then we could probably save a 36-week baby, but below 34 weeks, it was pretty iffy.  By the time I left medicine, we were saving babies down to 26  weeks and now we can save them as low as 20 weeks. 22-24 weeks and the odds are far better.

Putting aside all other arguments, it occurred to me that the viability argument no longer worked.  What once was a fetus, was now a baby.  The morality of killing a baby can't be determined by whether or not science can save it.

I could no longer support the arguments for abortion.

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They loved the gain in their economy and got behind Hitler.  Sound familiar?  The whole narrative fits the Trump presidency.  As Hitler gained power his true intentions came to light.  Then it was too late for Germany. It all starts with the brain washing of the uneducated.  What do you think was discussed in the secrete meeting with Putin?  You don't want to know do you?

I know you guys love to compare everyone to Hitler, but can you point how they actually compare or is this just another leftist talking point that you repeat.
Details please.


They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2020, 09:20:58 am »

I could no longer support the arguments for abortion.
In time science can take the genetic code from a wollie mammoth that has been dead for millions of years and create a clone.
Your brother was loved from the start and continued through his whole life.
The moral of the story:  for the majority of abortions performed the pregnancies are unwanted.  For the most part the fetus is only loved by unrelated parties and then hated from birth on by these same parties.  The child lives a life of hell and in most cases populates our prisons from teen age on.
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I know you guys love to compare everyone to Hitler, but can you point how they actually compare
Pick up any history book (not written by you) written on the rise of power of Hitler.  The playbook is exactly the same.
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2020, 05:06:24 pm »
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The moral of the story:  for the majority of abortions performed the pregnancies are unwanted.  For the most part the fetus is only loved by unrelated parties and then hated from birth on by these same parties.  The child lives a life of hell and in most cases populates our prisons from teen age on.

So the solution is to kill babies?  First, you are stating an opinion on the parents and the future of the child.  Since the child has been killed, you can't prove your opinion.  On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of kids who were loved and wanted and became criminals or welfare sponges.  Perhaps retroactive abortion is that answer?

It is either moral to kill babies, or it is not.  If it is, there should be no time limit on it.  What would be the difference between aborting one day before birth and killing the baby one day after, as an example? 

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Pick up any history book (not written by you) written on the rise of power of Hitler.  The playbook is exactly the same.

I have read a number of them.  The playbook more closely resembles the usual actions of the left.  Right now, the "mostly peaceful protests" resemble the actions of the brownshirts and the politicians who refuse to condemn them, the sycophants of Hitler.  I suggest YOU read the history of the rise of not only Nazis, but all totalitarian governments.  It's always done for your own good, don't you know?
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2020, 06:23:26 pm »
What would be the difference between aborting one day before birth and killing the baby one day after, as an example? 
They are not babies until they are born.  My mother almost died because the doctor brought his religious beliefs into a medical situation.  Not until my mother was  near death did the doctor deliver the baby.  My brother was born with a hole in his back and lasted 3 days.  It took my mother two months to recover.
If a pregnancy is not wanted I don't see any point in waiting 9 months.  If a mother with six kids or none for that matter develops a medical condition that threatens her life I have no problem aborting the pregnancy to save her life at any point in the pregnancy.  Miscarriages happen all the time naturally.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2020, 08:13:27 pm »
As long as he is dependent on the mother for his livelihood, she should have the right to terminate the dependency, so why not allow her to kill him any time before he moves out on his own.  After all, it is the mother's choice, isn't it?
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