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After Trump?
« on: November 06, 2020, 03:16:36 pm »
What will his legacy be? The wrecking of democracy, the division of a nation, turmoil, and sporadic civil war. Or hopefully, a slide into the deserved anonymity of the golf course :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2020, 04:01:57 pm »
Only in the fake news reports.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2020, 04:38:33 pm »
Only in the fake news reports.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2020, 07:11:30 pm »
Is it considered anonymity If you end up in jail for tax evasion, obstruction of justice or perjury?  Possible?
Only time will tell.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2020, 09:28:19 am »
I suspect he and his family will move to Russia and divulge all the presidential secrets.  He is too dumb to realize that they change the codes to the nukes.  It will be funny watching him campaign  for 2024 in Moscow.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2020, 12:37:55 pm »
As with all former presidents, his legacy will be his policies.   People don't like his personality.  That's fair.  History tends to forget personalities and look at results. 

This will be interesting to watch.  The Dem party has been pulled more and more to the left.  Biden has been pulled more to the left.  The older dems are on the way out, and the young guns are openly socialist. 
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2020, 02:40:27 pm »
Only in the fake news reports.
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iddee, Are you ok? I hope you have not retreated into a dark corner with a glass of moonshine to contemplate your misplaced beliefs. Now you can come out into the light and join everyone else in the country to make America great again. Oops! Sorry, that was a dreadful slip of the tongue :wink: 
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2020, 03:42:16 pm »
NO, just waiting for the truth to come out. Hopefully, it won't be long.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2020, 03:48:37 pm »
Cider, your not in the US rite ?
Here in a military community alot of votes haven't been counted , in their respective states. Just got off phone with 2 service men in Romania, their from GA. Their votes haven't been counted. Same here in Cumberland County(Fort Bragg)!  Being you know so much please explain , that the incumbent Governor a dem. had alot more votes than the running Republican, but in the same state Trump is leading( hasn't been called yet)????
So in your mind people that voted for Trump are going to turn around and vote a dem. Governor ??

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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 04:11:17 pm »
Cider, your not in the US rite ?
Here in a military community alot of votes haven't been counted , in their respective states. Just got off phone with 2 service men in Romania, their from GA. Their votes haven't been counted. Same here in Cumberland County(Fort Bragg)!  Being you know so much please explain , that the incumbent Governor a dem. had alot more votes than the running Republican, but in the same state Trump is leading( hasn't been called yet)????
So in your mind people that voted for Trump are going to turn around and vote a dem. Governor ??
What are your friends doing in Romania?
I don't know much about the minutiae of local elections, undoubtedly a few posts will get lost along the way (of either party) time to get over it. The will of the people has been given. :wink:
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2020, 08:48:54 am »
It is time to heal folks.  We are all Americans, some of us friends and some of us family.  Hopefully we can come together and be the Great nation that we were, now that we won't have someone at the top driving a wedge.  The predictions of us turning into another Cuba or the government knocking on your door for all your guns is laughable if so many people didn't believe the propaganda.  None of this will happen in the next 50 years and by that time it will be none of my concern.
We all want the economy to be strong so let's tackle the countries greatest threat, covid.  Let's take it serious, as it is, and come together to do our part so we actually can round the corner and not blatantly lie about it.
  My son is a cancer survivor.  He is in his forties now and it is a miracle he wasn't dead before the age of 20.  The ordeal took a toll on his heart and lungs.  He lives in Wyoming and thought because of the wide open spaces he would be safe.  Like most Wyoming's he was an avid Trump supporter but now he is scared.  The disease has come to his back yard.  Reality sets in.  I pray for him, I hope you will too.  Covid is no joke you can't wish it away.  You have to take the threat seriously or be so self centered that you don't care about anyone else.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2020, 02:34:04 pm »
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It is time to heal folks.  We are all Americans, some of us friends and some of us family.

Lol.  I zipped through my leftist FB friends and there was a whole lot of "FU Trump voters".  We are off to a great start.

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The predictions of us turning into another Cuba or the government knocking on your door for all your guns is laughable if so many people didn't believe the propaganda.  None of this will happen in the next 50 years and by that time it will be none of my concern.

it doesn't take 50 years.  Venezuela went from the wealthiest country down there, to people standing in bread lines in a couple of years.  There's a reason people from countries that have experienced what the dems are selling, don't vote for dems.  They have seen how the movie ends.
Do you not have any family?  I'd like my grandkids to have a good life, not a bread line life.

 
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My son is a cancer survivor.  He is in his forties now and it is a miracle he wasn't dead before the age of 20.  The ordeal took a toll on his heart and lungs.  He lives in Wyoming and thought because of the wide open spaces he would be safe.  Like most Wyoming's he was an avid Trump supporter but now he is scared.  The disease has come to his back yard.  Reality sets in.  I pray for him, I hope you will too.  Covid is no joke you can't wish it away.  You have to take the threat seriously or be so self centered that you don't care about anyone else.



I am sorry for your son, but a virus is not in the hands of any president.  It will run its course or we will find a vaccine.  We are lucky on the vaccine front that Trump marshaled the tools and cut the red tape to help make that happen more quickly.  If he had been the normal president who bowed to the bureaucracy and their timeline, we would not be as far along as we are on either treatments or the potential vaccine.
The blame for the virus belongs to China.  Once it was out all over the world, that was it.  No president or agency could stop it.  No government around the world has stopped it.

I can't imagine why your son would change his political views because of a virus.  I bet he didn't.  It would be kind of weird if he did. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2020, 04:16:46 pm »
a virus is not in the hands of any president.  It will run its course or we will find a vaccine.  We are lucky on the vaccine front that Trump marshaled the tools and cut the red tape to help make that happen more quickly.  If he had been the normal president who bowed to the bureaucracy and their timeline, we would not be as far along as we are on either treatments or the potential vaccine.
Which side of the fence do you want to sit on?  It is not in the hands of the president or it is in the hands of the president.  You can't say it is one way and then argue the opposite. (and be credible)
Trump's theory is if you are going to die then your going to die.  Two problems with that, 1 it isn't true. and 2 our medical system is supported by China.  So if our system gets overrun the panic that results could destroy the whole country.  The infection rate has to stay low enough so that doesn't happen.  We do not make anything in this country yet we consume half the worlds resources.  China will only sell to us what we need if THEY don't need it.  I am going to ask you a question Kathy, how much do you buy from someone that spits in your face?  I dare say nothing.  You don't come across as a woos.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2020, 04:34:56 pm »
Venezuela went from the wealthiest country down there, to people standing in bread lines in a couple of years.  There's a reason people from countries that have experienced what the dems are selling, don't vote for dems.  They have seen how the movie ends.
Reminds me of the Middle East.  A hand full of people have all the money in the world and the rest of the country is in bread lines or worse.  Is it because of socialism or dictatorship?  How is it that you want to compare us to Venezuela and not England, Germany, Sweden or a host of other European countries that have much more socialism then we do?  How about Mexico, not much socialism there.  But they do have our jobs, we gave it to them and are still doing it.  And they still won't give us the money they owe us for the wall. :grin:
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2020, 09:02:29 am »
Yeah it is Wally.  It is right there in the title.  A hoax on Trump, all made up to drive him bonkers.  There are too many digital eyes on an ballot counting along with human eyes from both parties.  This is what we have that countries like Russia don't.  If the election had gone the other way you would be all about how valid it is. Don't be a sore looser.  It is not healthy.
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2020, 09:08:05 am »
NO, Ace, I watched the opposite with Gore and waited patiently for the courts to decide it. Maybe the libs should think about doing the same
No winner has been declared in the individual states by the election officials, must less the federal. Be patient and let it work its way out.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2020, 01:17:53 pm »
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How is it that you want to compare us to Venezuela and not England, Germany, Sweden or a host of other European countries that have much more socialism then we do?  How about Mexico, not much socialism there.  But they do have our jobs, we gave it to them and are still doing it.

There is a difference between countries with massive social welfare supported by a capitalist economy, and socialism. What is interesting about Venezuela is that the first let to the second.   When Hugo promised his huge increase in social welfare programs he believed he had the economy to support them.  A number of things happened, including a drop in oil prices, that took those funds.  Because you never can remove a social welfare program once it is instituted, he had to find a way to pay for his promises.  He began to nationalize companies, especially successful foreign companies.  When that failed, he nationalized everything.  When that failed he instituted price and wage controls.  When that failed, they had price and wage controls which led to shortages and rationing.

Venezuela is a better model to look at because they didn't set out to become a fully socialist country. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2020, 08:31:27 am »
You keep saying He, he, he... that is a dictator and a dictator can ruin a country.  Especially when the dictator will not admit he is wrong.  A dictator has no system of checks and balances and eventually he will screw up.  We elect a president, basically a leader.  They all have an agenda.  But they have to convince other institutions that their plans are good.  Things go pretty well in this country until the system of checks and balances get compromised.  That is why a guy like Trump is the worst thing that could happen to this country.  Someone that can't lead and someone that thinks he can do no wrong.
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Re: After Trump?
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2020, 10:28:38 am »
Or worse, when you do finally find someone who has proven he CAN lead and lead well; yet find himself rejected by almost half a nation which seem to have fallen under the delusional spell of hateful music played by the piper and his orchestra of musicians of the tune of hate, played day and night, night and day, relentless hate filled accusations and rhetoric, while unwittingly doing exactly what they are accusing the elected leader of. Blindly hatefully dividing our nation. Never have I seen so much unjustified hate which was spewed at President Trump coming from the camp of the left. Not one ounce of love or compassion or even appreciation from their leaders. Hate, hate, and more blind hate. Yet through it ALL the President has kept his composure focusing on work for our Nation, America and ALL Americans. Fighting a good fight. 
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