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« on: July 28, 2020, 02:44:52 pm »
I harvested some EXTREMELY light honey this morning, which I was quite excited about because I assumed it was sourwood.  But now that it's in the jars, I think something is wrong here.  This honey is too light, it's totally clear on a spoon, and it isn't at all golden.  The top picture is a jar I harvested last week, which I believe is sourwood, and the bottom is the jar from this morning.  The opacity is just air bubbles, but the color almost looks to me like sugar syrup.  Do you guys agree?  Do you think that the bees found and stored sugar syrup?  Or is there some sort of clear honey out there that I'm not aware of?
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 02:51:40 pm »
I harvested some EXTREMELY light honey this morning, which I was quite excited about because I assumed it was sourwood.  But now that it's in the jars, I think something is wrong here.  This honey is too light, it's totally clear on a spoon, and it isn't at all golden.  The top picture is a jar I harvested last week, which I believe is sourwood, and the bottom is the jar from this morning.  The opacity is just air bubbles, but the color almost looks to me like sugar syrup.  Do you guys agree?  Do you think that the bees found and stored sugar syrup?  Or is there some sort of clear honey out there that I'm not aware of?
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Mine looks even clearer to me, it?s wild flower. People say they can taste a flowery taste


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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 10:03:24 pm »
Did you taste it? 


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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2020, 11:57:54 pm »
Did you taste it? 


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I have the same question as Amy. Did you taste it? I do not have sourwood trees in my area but I have heard people talk who do. One fellow in particular says that sourwood has a VERY light color and distinctive taste.
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2020, 12:40:02 am »
Did you taste it? 


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I have the same question as Amy. Did you taste it? I do not have sourwood trees in my area but I have heard people talk who do. One fellow in particular says that sourwood has a VERY light color and distinctive taste.
Yes I did, and it definitely has taste, it's not straight up sugar syrup.  It is extremely sweet, and it's thick enough to "stack" when I pour it (if you know what I mean by that).  The thing that's so confusing to me is that if this light stuff is sourwood, than I have never had real sourwood.  I bought sourwood honey for several years before I started beekeeping, and it didn't look or taste like this.  The stuff in the darker jar is more like what I used to buy.  It's thinner consistency and has a twangy flavor, almost citrus-y.  It reminds me of sheep sorrel, if anyone's familiar with that.  Hopefully this is making sense.  I feel like I'm describing wine or something.  :cheesy:   
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2020, 12:46:18 am »
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I have the same question as Amy. Did you taste it? I do not have sourwood trees in my area but I have heard people talk who do. One fellow in particular says that sourwood has a VERY light color and distinctive taste.
Yes I did, and it definitely has taste, it's not straight up sugar syrup.  It is extremely sweet, and it's thick enough to "stack" when I pour it (if you know what I mean by that).  The thing that's so confusing to me is that if this light stuff is sourwood, than I have never had real sourwood.  I bought sourwood honey for several years before I started beekeeping, and it didn't look or taste like this.  The stuff in the darker jar is more like what I used to buy.  It's thinner consistency and has a twangy flavor, almost citrus-y.  It reminds me of sheep sorrel, if anyone's familiar with that.  Hopefully this is making sense.  I feel like I'm describing wine or something.  :cheesy:   

Member I understand what you are saying and asking. I am reminded that you are in an area where Bob Binnie is famous for sourwood honey. Yes you would know the difference. I do not know what to say.  :shocked:  Except ask, have you tried the cotton test to make sure it is pure?




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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 08:37:19 am »
been framed, what is this cotton test that you mentioned?   

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 10:46:26 am »
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 11:34:40 am »
https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=51539.msg456370#msg456370
I'll do some testing today.  I'll perform both of the tests Van mentioned in the link Hops posted.   

been framed, what is this cotton test that you mentioned?

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No offense, Phillip, but I question the legitimacy of some of those methods.  Honey certainly dissolves in water, and lighter, thinner varieties dissolve just as easily as sugar syrup in my experience.           
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2020, 11:51:42 am »
15th.  Perhaps a walkabout or driveabout the area where your hive are will give you answers as to what the bees are collecting.
Any hay fields?  Alfalfa honey is very clear, near waterwhite.  Same for alsike and red clovers, and wild/sweet clovers.
Your answer can only come from standing by the hive on a heavy forage day.  Observe what direction they are flying to work. And go for a walk that way until you find bees working a bloom concentration.

The test is the taste test and verifiable, credible, source.  Does it taste like honey? Is it thick like honey? Did it come out of a hive?  Was the beekeeper (or neighbour) feeding?  Did the beekeeper walkabout and knows the forage around the hive(s) at the time?
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2020, 01:13:07 pm »
15th.  Perhaps a walkabout or driveabout the area where your hive are will give you answers as to what the bees are collecting.
Any hay fields?  Alfalfa honey is very clear, near waterwhite.  Same for alsike and red clovers, and wild/sweet clovers.
Your answer can only come from standing by the hive on a heavy forage day.  Observe what direction they are flying to work. And go for a walk that way until you find bees working a bloom concentration.

The test is the taste test and verifiable, credible, source.  Does it taste like honey? Is it thick like honey? Did it come out of a hive?  Was the beekeeper (or neighbour) feeding?  Did the beekeeper walkabout and knows the forage around the hive(s) at the time?
That there is what we mountain people call flatlander advice.  :wink: :cheesy:  In the mountains there is no picking a direction a walking that way.  Here's the way my bees normally fly.
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Try walking that way.   :cheesy:

Kidding aside though, that is good advice.  Maybe I'll take a drive around and see what I can see, presuming I can reach where they are working by road.  I doubt anyone is growing alfalfa around here, but clover is certainly a possibility.  The other thing that is making identifying my honey varieties challenging is that because I'm foundationless, I move frames around a lot to help the bees draw straight, so I'm not always sure when an individual frame was filled.  I kept track of frames drawn during the sourwood flow, but nothing else, so next year I'm thinking about penciling the date on the frames as the bees are working them, so I can keep better track of what honey is from what bloom time.   
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 03:08:40 pm »
You got some hills there. Be interesting to see what you find with those test.

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2020, 04:38:54 pm »
No offense taken member . Beesnhay ask what the cotton test was so I posted the first one that I found that mentioned the cotton test. I did not read the whole thing. Basically what you do is place some Honey on cotton, if it burns it is real honey. Sugar syrup will not burn . Supposedly that leaves no doubt. Should be pretty accurate?
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2020, 06:33:52 pm »
?Pure honey even if kept of a long time will never crystallize.?

I question all of those ?tests?. The above statement is absolutely not true. We all know that.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2020, 06:48:46 pm »
?Pure honey even if kept of a long time will never crystallize.?

I question all of those ?tests?. The above statement is absolutely not true. We all know that.


Yes I agree that statement is not true. I have read at more than one place that the following works. It may not be true. I have never tried it....

"Basically what you do is place some Honey on cotton, if it burns it is real honey. Sugar syrup will not burn . Supposedly that leaves no doubt. Should be pretty accurate?"




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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 08:21:28 pm »
No offense taken member . Beesnhay ask what the cotton test was so I posted the first one that I found that mentioned the cotton test. I did not read the whole thing. Basically what you do is place some Honey on cotton, if it burns it is real honey. Sugar syrup will not burn . Supposedly that leaves no doubt. Should be pretty accurate?
That is basically how Van described it on the other thread, and I do think that sounds reasonable.  The link you provided says that the impure honey will sputter when it burns, and pure honey will burn cleanly.  I think that might happen if the honey had water added, but I'm not sure why sugar syrup would do that, at least not 2:1 syrup. 

We had some stuff come up today, so I won't have any time to play with fire until tomorrow.  I'll let you guys know how it goes.  I too am very curious to see what happens.  Another interesting thing I noticed today is one of the jars of this extra light stuff didn't clear, it is staying opaque, which also seems suspicious to me. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2020, 09:22:09 pm »
I do not know. It will be interesting to see what happens. Perhaps you can fire up each type?
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 09:35:51 pm »
I took the liberty to play with a little honey and fire myself. I knew my honey was pure as no sugar has been fed here since before the first flow. This was from the comb honey I posted yesterday.

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2020, 03:22:56 am »
> No offense, Phillip, but I question the legitimacy of some of those methods.  Honey certainly dissolves in water, and lighter, thinner varieties dissolve just as easily as sugar syrup in my experience.

As I said earlier, I was not referring to any other test nor recommending any other test. But having looked back at the thread that Hops so graciously found and posted, I have now been enlightened by Mr Vans several post. By taking his time and truly explaining to we here at beemaster, of adulterated honey.

Since I know for a fact that my honey is pure as according to the cotton test, I intend to also try the moisture test that Mr Van described on that same topic 2 years ago. Mr Van did not say how long it would take for real honey do dissolve after it puddles. I will try and measure that period of time as well.

Quoting Mr Van. In His Reply#(14)
"The solubility test was a wash, I could not tell the difference.  This test is simple: drop a drop of Honey in a glass of water,  pure honey will puddle, dilute honey will dissolve.  There was a slight difference but my eyes are not as good as they used to be."
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2020, 11:56:20 am »
-flatlander advice-  LoL.  Yes I suppose.  Though I have lived in Rockies for 10 years and the principle still applies.  They are getting it from somewhere; it takes a good eye and a walk to track them to it. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2020, 12:48:15 pm »
I just finished the Mr Van solubility test. Since we have established my honey was pure (By the cotton test), and the same honey was now used on the solubility test. I would assume the results are reliable in the time line this test was done. I will post a picture of each as follows. You will need to look closely as I used a pizza cup lol. The drop of honey is at the bottom next to the outer edge. It took almost four minutes until the puddle was fading away behind a reasonable view. So the conclusion: No offense intended, Member and Nyleve, but if your honey fails these two test, don't blame it on the test; you might be better served to blame it on the honey!   :shocked: :grin:  lol

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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2020, 07:46:16 pm »
I took the liberty to play with a little honey and fire myself. I knew my honey was pure as no sugar has been fed here since before the first flow. This was from the comb honey I posted yesterday.

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Phillip, how exactly did you perform this test?  I tried it with some honey I harvested last year as a control, and I could not get it lit at all.  I dipped cotton swabs, cotton string, and little bits of cotton ball in honey and tried to lit them with a propane lighter, and all it did was caramelize and turn black.  I couldn't seem to get a flame going.           
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2020, 09:18:54 pm »
I took the liberty to play with a little honey and fire myself. I knew my honey was pure as no sugar has been fed here since before the first flow. This was from the comb honey I posted yesterday.

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Phillip, how exactly did you perform this test?  I tried it with some honey I harvested last year as a control, and I could not get it lit at all.  I dipped cotton swabs, cotton string, and little bits of cotton ball in honey and tried to lit them with a propane lighter, and all it did was caramelize and turn black.  I couldn't seem to get a flame going.         

What I did was dip a plastic stick Q tip into my honey. Pulled it out and stuck a lit match to it. Being very careful to make sure the flame was on the cotton part only. Walla! It glowed. Now bing I used a plastic stick q tip was risky because as you know plastic melts quite rapidly. Had it not caught up, rapidly with the lit match underneath, the plastic would have drooped and that would have been the end of that. Therefore insuring the cotton burning was on target. Now, if you are having trouble, makes me wonder about your honey? As you may recall, Mr Van said even 5 percent adulterated honey will not burn properly. Before you give up, try using a regular cotton ball (without the stick) dipped in honey and see what happens. Let us know.  Thanks.
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2020, 04:50:31 pm »
Round 2 was also inconclusive.  Today instead of nothing burning, everything burned, even the sugar syrup.  Today I think that all I was doing was burning off the honey/syrup and then just the cotton was lighting.  I'm going to try one last time.  I have cotton string soaking in the different honeys/syrups, to create wicks of each substance, and tomorrow (time permitting) I'll try to burn those and see what happens.  3rd time's the charm?     
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2020, 05:02:51 pm »
I tried the burn test again and it still didn't work for me.  I tried burning some of my honey from this year, some from last year, and some 2:1 sugar syrup to compare the results.  The difference in burn time was negligible and the sugar syrup burned the longest of the three.  I don't know.  I'll guess I'll have to see if it happens again next year, and see if I can find anything blooming around the time they are bringing it in that would be an extra light honey.  It's disappointing not to know for sure.         
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2020, 05:22:04 pm »
> Yes I did, and it definitely has taste, it's not straight up sugar syrup.  It is extremely sweet, and it's thick enough to "stack" when I pour it (if you know what I mean by that).  The thing that's so confusing to me is that if this light stuff is sourwood, than I have never had real sourwood.

Member you may have real sourwood honey?  Is there any way you can visit Bob Binnie and have him do a taste test for you? The man is an expert. He is very nice and kind at helping others. It would at least put your mind at ease. Is a visit in the realm of possibilities for you? 
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2020, 05:38:19 pm »
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Two labeled jars are both Sourwood.  The bear jar in acacia honey color 10 or white honey.  The sourwood is about color 20-30 the jar far left is 2019 color 30 from my apiary.

You may have clover honey or the likes which sometimes is color 10, the lightest color, the most valuable to the consumer eye.

Taste is the best indication, however there are many simple test to determine purity: cotton burn as mentioned by Ben, skin cream, dissolving in water etc.  taste is the best test to me.

I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2020, 05:42:39 pm »
Good post Mr Van. I have a video about Mr Binnie (this year) concerning sourwood. If I can find it I will post.
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2020, 05:44:59 pm »
Mr Van I have no doubt you will find this video VERY interesting! Enjoy!

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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2020, 05:56:43 pm »
Bees usually segregate honey by flower type.  I have seen honey frames with a clear line between different flower types, very distinctive color change.  If your bees did have access to sugar syrup then most likely this syrup would be grouped on a frame along side natural flower honey.  So the obvious question is did your frames of honey appear segregated by color contrast.  Yes I realize a possibility of natural light color 10 Pure honey not being distinguished by segregation, but the odds are: on a more likely than not basis a color segregation contrast by sugar syrup with real honey.
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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2020, 06:04:29 pm »

Bees usually segregate honey by flower type.  I have seen honey frames with a clear line between different flower types, very distinctive color change.  If your bees did have access to sugar syrup then most likely this syrup would be grouped on a frame along side natural flower honey.  So the obvious question is did your frames of honey appear segregated by color contrast.  Yes I realize a possibility of natural light color 10 Pure honey not being distinguished by segregation, but the odds are: on a more likely than not basis a color segregation contrast by sugar syrup with real honey.

In the video Mr Binnie takes off any supers that have that variance Mr Van, leaving little doubt that you are getting authentic, real sourwood.


Let me add, this authentication is dependant on his expert experience of sourwood honey taste. 😊 I am of the opinion the man is a honeygenius! 😊
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2020, 06:18:22 pm »
That fella in the video knows his honey.  Thank You Mr. Ben!!

Sourwood honey has the slightest licorice flavor to me.  Anybody else notice this?
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2020, 06:42:21 pm »
Hi Ms. Member.

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Pic of four honeys.
Two labeled jars are both Sourwood.  The bear jar in acacia honey color 10 or white honey.  The sourwood is about color 20-30 the jar far left is 2019 color 30 from my apiary.

You may have clover honey or the likes which sometimes is color 10, the lightest color, the most valuable to the consumer eye.

Taste is the best indication, however there are many simple test to determine purity: cotton burn as mentioned by Ben, skin cream, dissolving in water etc.  taste is the best test to me.


Thank you Mr. Van, that is a very helpful picture.  I should try the skin test using sugar syrup as a control and see if that helps me to notice any difference.  I agree that taste is probably the best test, but I'm just not experienced enough tasting different honey varieties.  (Before I kept bees I always bought sourwood, so I really only know what that tastes like.) 

Bees usually segregate honey by flower type.  I have seen honey frames with a clear line between different flower types, very distinctive color change.  If your bees did have access to sugar syrup then most likely this syrup would be grouped on a frame along side natural flower honey.  So the obvious question is did your frames of honey appear segregated by color contrast.  Yes I realize a possibility of natural light color 10 Pure honey not being distinguished by segregation, but the odds are: on a more likely than not basis a color segregation contrast by sugar syrup with real honey.
That is good advice, and I'll pay attention to this in the future.  The frames that this light stuff came from didn't have any sort of dividing line like that I could see.  (I'm pretty careful about keeping different colored honeys separated when I crush and strain.)  But like you said, if the honey alongside it is quite light (like sourwood), I think that would be difficult to detect, especially in a capped frame.  The other challenge is the different colors of wax in the different frames, which can make a light honey look darker.  I crushed and strained a frame today that I thought was too dark to be sourwood, but it turned out it was just a darker wax.   


Sourwood honey has the slightest licorice flavor to me.  Anybody else notice this?
That is actually a good way to describe it.  I've never really thought about it like that, but it kind of does remind one of licorice.  Sourwood has a VERY subtle "spicey" aftertaste like licorice.       
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Re: Suspiciously Light Honey
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2020, 05:46:57 pm »
White Clover if you have little else mixed with it will get you honey exactly this color.  it is strongly floral and my favorite of the year.


Not suspicious...supreme is what it is.

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I harvested some EXTREMELY light honey this morning, which I was quite excited about because I assumed it was sourwood.  But now that it's in the jars, I think something is wrong here.  This honey is too light, it's totally clear on a spoon, and it isn't at all golden.  The top picture is a jar I harvested last week, which I believe is sourwood, and the bottom is the jar from this morning.  The opacity is just air bubbles, but the color almost looks to me like sugar syrup.  Do you guys agree?  Do you think that the bees found and stored sugar syrup?  Or is there some sort of clear honey out there that I'm not aware of?
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Mine looks even clearer to me, it?s wild flower. People say they can taste a flowery taste


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