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If only all protesters were like this.
« on: June 18, 2020, 02:28:13 pm »
If all protesters acted with the same magnanimity as this man the world would be a far better place.
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PS; Please think about any comment you may make, so this thread is not pulled again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8424213/The-image-proves-good-men-really-change-world.html
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Re: If only all protesters were like this.
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2020, 05:08:51 pm »
Guess I missed anything that would have caused it to be pulled.  how can avoid what I do not know about   :wink:
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: If only all protesters were like this.
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2020, 09:46:09 am »
Kathy,
Someone wrote a racist remark that was bad enough that he knew he shouldn?t have and after other remark were added about those remarks, he deleted it. I didn?t see the actual post but the other post indicated it should not have been posted on BeeMaster.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2020, 04:16:20 pm »
I know the one you mean. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 03:31:29 am »
It is hard to tell much about this video. What do we know about the victim? Was the victim wearing a black lives matter shirt? Was he one of their protesters?  If not, what was he doing in the crowd wearing a black shirt? I do not know the answers to these questions. But I do know it should not matter what shirt he was wearing, who or what he was protesting for or against, his race, his skin color, should not matter. He should have the right to protest as long as he is protesting peaceably, (at least in America), and while doing so, he should not be subjected to ANY threat of harm coming to him. He should not have been targeted by this crowd or any crowd, this crowd that the brave rescuer, with his fist balled, and his friend were protecting the fellow from, while escorting him, carrying him to a safe place, away from this unsafe place. The victim's black shirt did not protect him. Was it skin color that was the problem? As for you and I Cider; You do not know my skin color as I have never said and you have never ask me either. That should not matter as long as you and I are friends? I hope it does not matter to you Cider.
Just because you do not agree with me on all political issues at all times should not make you hate me. If you were to find out that I may be black would that change you outlook toward me? I certainly hope not. Does it matter to you what color I am or might be? Should we not all be looked upon for the content of our charter and not our skin color?

It seems the open minded mindset of (content of character), DISSAPEARS when a policeman of apparently low character killed an accused lawbreaking citizen unjustly. The low character of the policeman was cast aside and overshadowed by the news media, the lovers of hate, the race baiters, the pitters of hate. Was his content of character even considered? Or was it his skin color that is so important to these? It is as if the color of the policeman's skin is all that can be seen and all that matters to those mentioned, instead of the content of the policeman of Minneapolis, character. Does character matter, or is it skin color that matters? Does it matter what color the rescuer is, or does it matter that the rescuer was a man of apparent character? Does it matter what color the policeman's skin color is, or that he was a man of apparent low character?  If it is skin color that is important and what matters to the above, and it seems to be, then who is really racist, Can low character come in all colors? Just as people of character come in all colors?   Hum
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 10:54:58 am »
Does it matter to you what color I am or might be? Should we not all be looked upon for the content of our charter and not our skin color?


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Re: If only all protesters were like this.
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 11:10:02 am »
If more people acted like that man there would be far fewer reasons to protest.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 11:12:17 am »
Agreed.
Somewhere along the line the Golden Rule has been discarded.  :sad:

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 01:33:17 pm »
> Somewhere along the line the Golden Rule has been discarded.  :sad:

It seems Truth as well has been discarded Skeggley. Truth seems to be purposely hid? Hidden in plain sight for those who will see.
In all history I have never heard of any country or civilization going to war against itself with freeing the slaves of that county, or empire, or civilization, being one the objectives of the end results. Slavery has been practiced in many countries, by many races of people, and still may be in some parts of the world. There is one exception and only one as far as I know where a country warred itself. The truth is Americans, North and South, Northern friend against Southern friend, college classmates, even cadets of West Point, went to war against one another in this country, yes even brother against brother. A long blistering bloody war. A war where the drums, cannons, bombs and rifles were a constant. A heart wrenching war. A war that the sorrow and hurt and pain was still felt many many years later, as a result of so much destruction, so much killing. Killings of friends, where freedom of slaves was an end result and obtained.

We have the descendants of those slaves here with us today. Now fully recognized citizens. Americans. I wonder how many folks throughout the world recognize the cost made and paid for by the (white man), as he is referred to today. How does the world perceive this race of people, who paid in his own blood, freedom of slaves? I can only hope all Americans see clearly what this nation did for its slaves, especially the descendants of slavery. The American Flag, a symbol of freedom for all Americans. This symbol should, in my opinion, mean even more to slavery descendants, or in the very least, just as much to slavery descendants as any American. The Constitution a deed of freedom and a document of rights for all Americans. A document that gives each American a brand new pedigree, no matter their ancestors origin.

No one can force good character. Good character comes from the heart. I believe there is only one who can change a heart and that is the giver of the golden rule. Jesus The Christ our Savior. He is the Great Judge who will one day right all wrongs. The Word says every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess he is Lord. I for one believe it.
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 02:30:35 pm »
I get tired of past acts of atrocities being thrown in my face.  Our ancestors were fed to lions for entertainment in days of the Roman Empire.  Although slavery is bad, being cat food to me is much worse.  Get over the past, forgive, learn from mistakes.  Where do we draw a line for past mistakes: one day, one week, one month, one year, one decade, one century, one...

Good point Phil, Hops,  Seeb, Skeg...
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 02:43:53 pm »
I get tired of past acts of atrocities being thrown in my face.  Our ancestors were fed to lions for entertainment in days of the Roman Empire.  Although slavery is bad, being cat food to me is much worse.  Get over the past, forgive, learn from mistakes.  Where do we draw a line for past mistakes: one day, one week, one month, one year, one decade, one century, one...

Good point Phil, Seeb, Skeg...

True Mr Van.  Very good points.
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 03:06:50 pm »
And I get tired of people still pushing the false concept that our civil war was about slavery. It was about the northern politicians and corporations wanting the southern cotton and other commodities for nearly nothing and charging outrageous prices for steel and other materials and machinery they produced. The slavery was nothing more than a byproduct of the war. If people would look at the truth there, things would be much more peaceful today.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2020, 03:46:44 pm »
And I get tired of people still pushing the false concept that our civil war was about slavery. It was about the northern politicians and corporations wanting the southern cotton and other commodities for nearly nothing and charging outrageous prices for steel and other materials and machinery they produced. The slavery was nothing more than a byproduct of the war. If people would look at the truth there, things would be much more peaceful today.

If you are referring to my post, then apparently you did not read thoroughly. My post did not say the war was about slavery but it did say freeing the slaves was a result of that war. "being one the objectives of the end results". Well it was wasn't it? Slavery did have a bearing on politics of that day and was highly debated before the war ever started. Actually there were anarchist such as John Brown who was in this. Though unfair taxes was the main cause. Mr Lincoln as a result of war time, did free the slaves. What was his plan for the x-slaves of that day? Whatever his plans, they were never manifested. They were Eventually made Citizens eventually given equal rights, and protected under the constitution. All the results of a war full of sorry. A war between white men mainly wasn't it? If a lot of things were looked upon with truth, I still do know know if things would be more peaceful today. Hate filled folks would still be filled with hate. If you do not believe this look no further than the BLM. Look at our cities. Burnt, who in government cares?


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« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 08:27:19 pm by Ben Framed »
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2020, 09:05:27 pm »
Not directly aimed at your post, but did use it as an opener for highlighting the majority of opinions today. As for the title of the thread, yes, that happens daily, just isn't in the news every time it happens. There are still some good people on this planet.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2020, 09:09:37 pm »
Thanks Iddee.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 12:00:42 am »
We are just too far apart Wally  !  !
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 02:16:10 am »
> We are just too far apart Wally !  !

Geoff. Wally is a man that I believe who loves his country. A man who served his country well in service to his country. A man who swore an oath to protect his Country's Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. A Constitution that guarantees freedom and rights to ALL its citizens. The real question, who is the enemy? Who is the enemy of our Country and its wonderful Constitution, who seek to divide America and Americans? Using racial lines and, or, any other method as a tool to achieve its ultimate goal? Is it a racial group? I do not think so. Could it be a group using race and a political party as tools to accomplish its ultimate evil goal? The very destruction of America from within?, as once proclaimed, "we will take America without firing a shot."? Who is using propaganda to spread its very own hate from within itself, while striving for division of American Citizens? Folks who are just trying to live their lives in peace and freedom?  Folks who still believe in the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness?

I often wondered how on earth, a country such as Germany, a country filled with brilliant minds, scientist and so forth and so on, could stand by and see the rise of power to a mad man and his wicked evil beliefs. Standing by, giving its power and authority of the people there, to such a group of thugs. Am I seeing that same strategy being used here in America today?  Who is behind the reigns of this anarchist motivated surge here in America today? A surge of burning down cities from within?  Why is our Government, of the People, for the People and by the People just standing by, ordering the stand down of authorities, by the mayors, Governors etc. who could and should put a stop to this rage of terror and anarchy? No Geoff, I do not think iddee is to far apart if he believes in a Government of the People, for the People and by the People, a way of Government, wisely laid out by our founding fathers. And if iddee recognizes there are good folks from every walk of life and he does, as he has made that statement and proclaimed it, therefore Iddee is ok by me. May God Continue to have Mercy on, and Bless America! May his Light be clearly seen. May his love be proclaimed!


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« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 02:45:39 am by Ben Framed »
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2020, 11:55:47 am »
Ben, I think you mistook Geoff's thought. He meant location wise, not world wise. We are the best of friends and we both wish we lived closer to each other so we could get together more.

As for Germany, it was similar to Venezuela before Hitler. When he came into power, he stabilized the economy, built factories, built the ""people's car"", that all could afford and could maintain. He turned a mess into a world power.

The bad thing was, the power went to his head and he thought he could rule the world and play deity. He started out as one of the greatest men of all time, then turned into one of the worst. Maybe THE worst. Power will do that to people. Just look at Pelosi.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2020, 01:13:04 pm »
All of those things are true iddee I was referring to the way Hitler came into power.
Wasn't it the thug group (brownshirts) that he rode into power? That similarity is what I am referring too. And if that is true, wouldn't, or shouldn't  that have been a huge red flag to the German People of that day? Just as the thug groups of today are quickly rising to power in America?
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2020, 08:09:22 pm »
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He started out as one of the greatest men of all time, then turned into one of the worst.

Not really.  His ideology never changed, he just got the power to implement his goals. 

I think this is out of print now but it can be found free in pdf format online if you search around a bit. 
https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928

The question of how Germans allowed Hitler to do what he did probably has many components.  Iddee listed some.  Eventually, Hitler had so much power that resistance was not possible.  Remember, they tried to assassinate him a number of times and failed.  Some of it also has to be found in the nature of the German people.  We tend to think of Europeans as a people, but each country has distinct characteristics.  The Germans are more distinct than some others!   
I didn't realize how different they are until I was there a couple of times. 

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And if that is true, wouldn't, or shouldn't  that have been a huge red flag to the German People of that day? Just as the thug groups of today are quickly rising to power in America?

Yes, along with a few other things that are examples of how these things creep up and people don't notice/act.
- We have "The Squad" elected to office.  20 years ago, America hating nutters would not have been put in office or certainly would not have the influence they have.
- Bernie and the support he has.  20 years ago, he was fringe. Now the communist has a large following of young people who will be our next politicians, teachers, etc.
- The behavior of the privileged, educated, white kids who apparently learned no history in those expensive schools.  They will be in power soon.
- The capitulation by the political class to the rioters.  We have had rioters before, but we have not had those who should be in control roll over and let them do as they please.
- The acceptance of the slogan "Black Lives Matter" as a moral statement, but no investigation into the goals of the group and the associations of the organization.  BLM seems to have little to do with black lives, and much to do with Marxist Revolution.

Most of us are watching this on TV and it seems like it has nothing to do with us.  Pretty sure most of the Germans felt the same way.  What will we look like 20 years from now?

This looks like the beginning of every Marxist revolution in history.  We know the outcome.



They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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