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Re: New Bees
« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2020, 02:59:14 pm »



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Re: New Bees
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2020, 12:20:46 pm »
So, I was halfway joking when I suggested that my queen might die, but I think she is a goner. I went in yesterday to look around and didn?t see the queen. I didn?t see any eggs. I had small and medium larva, and capped brood. There was quite a bit of clean comb in the brood chamber with no eggs to be found.
Although I didn?t think I would actually lose the queen to the few bees that made it into the box with the brood frames, I would be happy to have a new queen.
I found 7 queen cups with larva in them. One had been capped and then had the side chewed out.
My fear would be developing a laying worker.
I have 8 of 10 brood frames in the bottom deep and two honey. There are 4-5 brood frames in the medium. Of these, 1/3 is empty and clean, 1/3 larva, 1/3 capped brood.
With 6-7 queen cells, I should think I?ll have a new queen before the brood is depleted and a LW develops.
I plan to check back next week to see if the queen cells are making it. I could add another brood frame then, but I don?t want to keep punishing my stronger hive for being strong. I could see me killing them by taking too much brood.
I may let this run it?s course and if they want to die this bad, so be it. The next hive shouldn?t be so difficult.

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Re: New Bees
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2020, 03:21:44 am »
So, I was halfway joking when I suggested that my queen might die, but I think she is a goner. I went in yesterday to look around and didn?t see the queen. I didn?t see any eggs. I had small and medium larva, and capped brood. There was quite a bit of clean comb in the brood chamber with no eggs to be found.
Although I didn?t think I would actually lose the queen to the few bees that made it into the box with the brood frames, I would be happy to have a new queen.
I found 7 queen cups with larva in them. One had been capped and then had the side chewed out.
My fear would be developing a laying worker.
I have 8 of 10 brood frames in the bottom deep and two honey. There are 4-5 brood frames in the medium. Of these, 1/3 is empty and clean, 1/3 larva, 1/3 capped brood.
With 6-7 queen cells, I should think I?ll have a new queen before the brood is depleted and a LW develops.
I plan to check back next week to see if the queen cells are making it. I could add another brood frame then, but I don?t want to keep punishing my stronger hive for being strong. I could see me killing them by taking too much brood.
I may let this run it?s course and if they want to die this bad, so be it. The next hive shouldn?t be so difficult.

With 7 queen cells in the pipeline, I don't think you need to worry about LW.  Even if it did start, I would think there will be a new queen so soon thereafter that it would suppress the LW without intervention.  Hopefully someone with more than 6th months experience will chime in soon, but that's my opinion.  ;).

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Re: New Bees
« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2020, 09:23:57 pm »
I?m not sure if the lack of comments is an unspoken, ?this guy is on the right track?, or ?this guy is so far off the rails I?m not talking to him?. 

This week I plan to split the weak hive if the queen cells are still going. I?m gonna leave some cells in the deep and pull the medium. The medium had 3-4 queen cells in it. I?m gonna take the medium and add brood from the stronger hives medium to fill it out to full medium brood chamber and set it on a bottom board and add a top feeder. 

That?s 100% more likely to raise a queen than just one.

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Re: New Bees
« Reply #84 on: June 23, 2020, 07:55:46 pm »
I went in today and T?ed the bees off. I got hit twice on the left hand.

First hive, the weaker/queenless.
I went in looking for all those queen cells. I Found that I am down to a couple good frames of capped brood. Plenty of bees though. Almost everything that was empty of brood has sugar water and pollen in it. The queen cells were gone I thought. Near the end I did find two queen cells that were capped. The rest were just the bases of the torn down cells.
My assessment was that they must have chosen these cells as the best, or they are just going around and tearing them all down. Otherwise they are overstuffing the brood chamber with sugar water.
I dumped the feeder out and leaned it against the hive.

Next hive, the stronger one.
They too were packing sugar water everywhere. There were frames full of capped and uncapped honey. Everything that was drawn had something in it. Lot of eggs, lots of brood, capped and uncapped. Anywhere else they could squeeze in some sugar water, they were stashing it away, even in the brood frames. I also found about four capped queen cells and a fair amount of drone cells capped.
My assessment was these fools are getting ready to skip town. Every cell has something in it.
I dumped the feeder, put the queen in a clip and pulled a full frame of each, capped and uncapped brood. I shook the bees off, and set them aside. I replaced those two frames with new foundation in the second position from each side. I release the queen, closed it up and leaned the feeder against the hive.

Back to the first hive. I pop it open again. I have to go back through it again to find my queen cups, and keep them safe. Then I find a couple frames of mostly sugar water. Shake them off and replace with the two brood frames, that I forgot to mention, also both had capped queen cells from the good hive.

What I think I did was by removing the feeders, is stop them from packing sugar water in the brood frames. I hope as they draw new comb, they move their stores to more appropriate places. Removing the queen cells from the good hive and adding in the foundation hopefully discourages a swarm and gives them some chores.
The brood boost in the weak hive should keep the LWs at bay until a new queen emerges. Who knows, she might come from good stock.

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Re: New Bees
« Reply #85 on: June 27, 2020, 07:55:42 pm »
Looks like disaster averted on the swarming behavior. The rainbow painted hive is building comb like crazy in on the new foundation I gave them and moving the stores to the outsides and medium, and eggs are appearing back in the brood frames. As of now, there are no signs of any queen cells in that hive.

The seafoam hive which I keep calling the weaker hive, although, now with all the brood boosts I?ve been giving it is rivaling the ?strong? hive, had a couple queen cells left. One cell in particular was already capped When I saw it last Tuesday, so it should emerge within the next four days.

For giggles, I pulled one frame that had a capped queen cell and put in a nuc with some stores, brood, eggs and bees. I don?t know when they were capped, but I know they were uncapped on Tuesday. They should have a new queen emerging in 4-8 days.

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New Bees
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2020, 10:14:29 pm »
I need a little help here.
I have a new queen in the nuc I split out of the other two hives. She?s not laying yet but she emerged from what I think was my strong queen?s eggs.


I want to leave them alone, but need to go back in tomorrow to inventory stores. I think the small nuc was not well balanced when I built it.

I have queen cells getting ready to hatch in the hive that was sick. The teal or seafoam green hive. 

I have uncapped, capped brood in the rainbow painted hive. No eggs anywhere. There are 6 queen cells on one frame alone. She was a good laying queen. Tomorrow I need to either pinch cells or split the hive.  She is still alive and well, just not laying.

Summer solstice has come and gone, and I?m afraid if I split them I?ll be feeding sugar all winter to all my hives.
Right now I have:

a deep with two mediums that are pretty heavy

A deep with one medium that?s pretty heavy

A five frame nuc that I need to transfer another frame of stores into with a new queen.

I can double nuc that purple box, but I don?t have another bottom board on hand to do a full split in a new box.


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