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Offline Ben Framed

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Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« on: April 11, 2020, 01:28:04 am »
Here in Mississippi! Unbelievable! Look what they did to this good Pastor and his congregation who broke NO law!


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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2020, 12:38:36 pm »
I suspect some of this stuff is going to end up in court.  States have broad public health powers in an emergency, but they still need to be kept in check when they overreach.

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2020, 04:22:33 pm »
I'm thinking when governors and lower government levels do this, they should have to  recite their Constitutional power to perform these  acts.Federal or state Constitution.
Not a legislative act with no constitutional support.

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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2020, 10:20:21 pm »
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Not a legislative act with no constitutional support.

Most of these are not legislative acts, but edicts from governors.  In my state, she just does stuff and everyone goes along.  She now says we are 6 weeks out from a slow restart.  I don't think people are going to take another 6 weeks of complete shutdown.  Not only are businesses dying, but the state has no revenue. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2020, 10:57:09 am »
Protests against closures have already begun.  In Ohio many people gathered to demonstrate for reopening of business.  Smaller, scattered protests around the country seek return to work, as well. 
I believe that if things don't begin to get back to normal within 2 or 3 weeks, more and more citizens will decide to take matters into the people's hands.  then we will see which governments around the country choose power over liberty.

Winter is coming.

I can't say I hate the government, but I am proudly distrustful of them.

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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2020, 11:18:30 am »
I figure people will put up with this until the end of April.  After that, they are going to start getting out again because everyone has had enough.

What they should be doing is preparing the people for more infections, because that's what's going to happen.  If this is made clear, the people who are most at risk can make more informed decisions about what they do.  As it is, they are making it sound like the virus will be gone if we just wait long enough. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2020, 01:11:43 pm »
Again, I post as an old, uneducated redneck with no science background. Just my instincts from 74 years of living. Trump has made so many countries mad by pulling welfare payments and quit being the free money country to the whole world, that China started a virus war and the other countries joined in on the attack of Trump for letting it happen.

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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2020, 01:17:50 pm »
Kathy, I think many considered Easter long enough and will not wait until May 1. I have noticed much more traffic and more cars in shopping center parking lots this week than I have seen in the past 2 or 3 weeks.

NC has announced beekeeping is essential and I have a letter in my truck from the state allowing me to travel on beekeeping business. That is why I am on the road to see this stuff.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2020, 02:10:05 pm »
Here an article I thought was interesting.

"The virus has exposed Little Tyrants all over the country"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/13/the-coronavirus-is-exposing-little-tyrants-all-over-the-country/
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2020, 02:51:42 pm »
Here an article I thought was interesting.

"The virus has exposed Little Tyrants all over the country"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/13/the-coronavirus-is-exposing-little-tyrants-all-over-the-country/

This is a good case in point for the reestablishment of civics classes in school.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2020, 08:56:09 pm »
Example of what I meant in reply #6.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-trump-to-blame-coronavirus-crisis

The dems and other countries will do anything, even sacrifice their citizens, to take Trump down.
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Re: Let us not forget the First Amendment either!
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2020, 10:02:35 pm »
Example of what I meant in reply #6.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chris-murphy-trump-to-blame-coronavirus-crisis

The dems and other countries will do anything, even sacrifice their citizens, to take Trump down.

Yep, the Demonocrat party and the CCP are working together to make this happen.And I think it is no surprise to the top brass.
I think there were other motives behind deploying the navy for drug interdictions.

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2020, 10:08:40 pm »
As I watched the PA protest of government overreach today, it bugged me a bit that people said if the protesters contracted the virus they should be refused treatment.
Do you recall the uproar libs made during the HIV crisis that we should mind our own business than suggest HIV positive people should not engage in unprotected sex?
And when left wing protesters burn the cities they live in they are hailed as heroes and we should send them more money?

Might I add that these were peaceful protests today?