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Offline Acebird

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The New Beginning
« on: March 23, 2020, 09:19:04 am »
Due to a gift from the heavens (I think it was my next door neighbor) on my way back from the Beefest a swarm moved into a stack of boxes I had stored in the driveway.  Unfortunately I do not remember the frame configuration that was in the stack and the stack is 5 medium boxes high.  So like it or not I am back into bees.  (I like it)  I am now a new beginner because I have never had bees in the south and I have never caught a swarm before.
So here come the questions...  The stack needs to be reduced and I would assume the entrance needs to be reduced.  The question is when is it safe to manipulate the hive so that they don't leave?  The hive needs to be moved about 50 ft, again when?  I like that the hive is on concrete and where I plan to move them isn't but it is in plain sight and too close to the neighbors land.
I am sure there will be more questions to come.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2020, 11:04:47 am »
Ace, a newbie, that does not sound correct.  Glad, so glad you back into honeybees.  Can?t argue with a gift from above.

Watch for the small hive beetles.  Up north, not an issue but in your new location small hive beetles are more of a threat than varroa, at least to me.

When to move the hive?  I would wait for the queen to lay.  The brood kinda locks in the bees preventing abscond.  I would give the bees at least one week, then, surely should be brood.  I would watch for the bees bring in pollen, that surely says the bees have accepted the hive as permanent residence.

Ace, the time frame of a week, is based on a guess, not tried and true experience.  Seeing brood gives me a sign of relief, a sign the hive is not going anywhere,

Congrats,,,, free bees.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 11:43:04 am »
Acebird. That is so funny, you getting home and having those bees moved in! Little did you know that while we were talking this weekend, you were already back in the business.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2020, 01:09:35 pm »
Watch for the small hive beetles.
That is my concern Van.  With a stack of 5 boxes and not knowing what is in each box I am in a hurry to find out.  But I don't want them to leave.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2020, 01:12:54 pm »
Acebird. That is so funny, you getting home and having those bees moved in! Little did you know that while we were talking this weekend, you were already back in the business.

I suspect they came from my neighbor in the back of our house who didn't want to talk about bees.  Oh well they are mine now.  My wife was shocked by the size and the sound they made.  It was the sound that called her attention.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 01:44:20 pm »
Ace - that is totally awesome! I'm glad for you. You've been a great help here for all the new Beeks. You deserve some Free-Bees.  :grin:

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 03:06:31 pm »
Thanks Cool.  We will see if they want to stay.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 08:50:10 pm »
Ace, I want to congratulate you also. As cool said, you have been a great help here. You are a great help to me also. It is only fitting that a bee person should have bees. lol  As far as Southern beekeeping advice, I think Mr Van pretty well covered the basics. I will add, when you are confident that you have brood and they are locked in, you might consider treating for mites at, or around that time also. At least before they have capped the brood.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 09:01:38 pm »
Well Phill I have this thing about treating bees.  I don't know how that is going to go with the inspector.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 09:06:06 pm »
Well Phill I have this thing about treating bees.  I don't know how that is going to go with the inspector.

I understand, hopefully varroa will not be much of a problem there in Florida. As Mr Van said varroa are not nearly the problem in his area, and I add, in my area either as SHB.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 10:08:04 pm »
As to the original questions, I would give them a week to draw comb and the queen to lay some eggs.  That should lock them in but not let them fill the five boxes.  I assume the comb will be in the top box.  I also would assume that there may be a mess in that box if you didn't have the frames in it.  I would go though the hive and straighten everything up first.  Then a couple days later, move the hive to the new location.

As others already stated, glad you are back in the bee business.  It was meant to bee.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2020, 09:06:34 am »
I am pretty sure there are frames in the boxes but not 100% sure.  The top box has frames because I lifted the cover to check for bees.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2020, 10:46:11 am »
>I am pretty sure there are frames in the boxes but not 100% sure.  The top box has frames because I lifted the cover to
  check for bees.


Ace it will be interesting to see what you find when you do go in.  I hope they stay with the frames. I have found it almost impossible to save new comb no matter how careful I have been while handling it while doing cutouts. And if they are in an area that does not have frames, hopefully they will draw straight comb instead of twisted maze of comb. It just seem to be the opposite of M&M's. Melts in your hands lol. No matter how you handle it it will fold, collapse, and break. This would not concern me so much except the queen will readily lay in the new stuff, adding to her baby count leaving the possibility of her being in the middle of this stuff. My concern when doing a cutout of a newer hive with this new white comb, is trapping the queen in between this new stuff. Killing her. There are ways to up your odds in this situation. I know that all the above you already know. I just put it in for newer beekeepers. I had to learn the hard way. lol

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2020, 11:14:35 am »
So glad you got some bees, Ace!

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2020, 11:31:50 pm »
I?m jealous. Wish I could come home and find a swarm. Good luck with them.

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2020, 02:47:23 am »
Not me ... they chose the bod and are home. I would move them where I wanted and rid the extra boxes. Just me :wink:
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2020, 08:47:16 am »
Inspect and then move or move then inspect?  What time of day, morning or evening?  I am going to wait until 3-30 when my new bee jacket is suppose to get here.  I could move them without it.
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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2020, 10:07:29 am »
It was a rough way to begin beekeeping when I caught my first colony as a swarm and they built on the migratory top in the back of the box. There's nothing for it except to wait the week out then go in with a knife and rubberbands. I know it will work out well for a more experienced beek like you.
However, Acebird... i wouldn't wear short pants like you did at beefest. :wink:

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2020, 04:23:58 pm »
From Northwest Fla to Ace in South Fla: Hooray!
     Moving to the right location.
I've leapfrogged them on 2 sets of sawhorses.  Couple of feet every other day or so. No worries when the entrace faces the same direction.
     Feeding a swarm.
I wouldn't feed a swarm this time of year, unless you want ants, robbing, etc. My best swarms just built up a bit and I added a frame or two of capped brood as they could defend it. There's oodles of forage out there, almost year round.  The main flow in NW Fla ends after sabal palms...mid-end of June.  Then, watch out: many hangry bees looking for weak colonies to rob.
    Feral Bees in Fla.
Speaking of robbing, I keep entrances small on new colonies... 3/4" by 1"... a 1x board cut short.  So many ferals here.  And nobody's putting any OAV on those feral colonies. Anyone I know who does cutouts doesn't bother to treat here.  Fla. apiary inspectors are all nice, none I've met are pushy.  It's not like childhood vaccines.
     SHB
Now that's another matter and we have to do something mechanical.  My best defense is Dixie H700 reusable paper towels.  Cut them in half, stretch them up a bit, rough them up on #8 mesh, and drop on the top bars.  Even feral cutout bees figure out fast that SHB get trapped in the fuzz, so they herd them to the towel.
       Some people use Beetlebuster traps. I find those warp in hot weather, the SHB get corralled under the ruffled edge, and make a run down the frame when I lift out the trap. And the trench dries out, etc.  I'm trying a few guardian hive entrances, but not enough time has passed to see results.
      The bees use the gaps under the 1x entrance reducer for an SHB corrall, too.  So when you move the entrance reducer, be on the ready with with a 1" putty knife.  The putty knife is more precise and flexible than a hive tool.  I aim for where those SHB are headed and play Space Invaders for a few minutes at the beginning of an inspection. Resting a frame on a piece of carboard to do SHB smashing keeps SHB guts out of the hive. 
       Finally, a good screened bottom board system helps a lot.  It should have at least 2.5" space underneath so the hive trash can be collected weekly on a pull-out tray, otherwise SHB will lay eggs in the hive trash. The hive needs some ventilation, but not a lot so they can keep the "A/C" on. So I use front & sides closed, back open for cleaning.  If they're fanning too loud in 100 degree temps, a partial reducer there closes the door a bit.
       I almost lost a colony in a bottom board system that didn't have cleanout space.  They started to abscond and I had to catch them but lost the Q.  Now I always use the right SBB setup.
      Best thing: Bees love Florida!

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Re: The New Beginning
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2020, 06:04:33 pm »
So glad you have bees Ace
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