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Offline Ben Framed

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Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« on: March 16, 2020, 12:30:15 pm »
This doctor explained the following so fluent that even I, without scientific background, can basically understand his thoughts and explanations most clearly. This information looks very promising. I would like for you three scientist to check it out and give us your expert thoughts. I feel certain every member here, will so much appreciate your input. Jim please give these three time to review this before moving to another section please.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2020, 01:57:11 pm »
Update. Just came out 22 minutes ago.


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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2020, 02:45:46 pm »
Well I by no means consider myself to be an expert on any of this, particularly not when we have Van here, who was an actual research professional, but I did watch both videos just now.  Both are great, very well explained.  The big thing I personally take away from this is that there is progress being made.  It's not as if this virus is completely baffling the scientific/medical community; there seems to be potentially promising treatment options and vaccine ideas coming out of the woodwork, and that, I think, is cause for optimism. 
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2020, 03:05:46 pm »
Just excellent info Mr. Ben.

Conclusion.  Common tonic water contains 20mg quinine, similar to chloroquine, not mentioned in the video, I just happen to know from malaria studies.  Common tonic water as in gin and tonic, same stuff,

Chloroquine transports zinc into the cell where zinc inhibits the growth of the Corvid 19 virus.  Zinc cannot enter into a cell without chloroquine.  Chloroquine is a prescription med.  however as mentioned common tonic water, available at any grocery store has 20 quinine per 12 oz bottle.  Tonic water, chloroquine,  plus zinc added to the diet lowered death rate by 10 fold in Korea compared to Italy.

When this hits the news, tonic water will sell out.  I gonna buy tonic water, and vitamin with zinc, cheap treatment.

Good catch, Phil.  Seriously, this could saves lives. 

Van
« Last Edit: March 16, 2020, 03:26:57 pm by van from Arkansas »
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« Last Edit: March 16, 2020, 03:30:17 pm by van from Arkansas »
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2020, 03:23:26 pm »
Zinc has been shown to aid in a number of viral cases.  it is no cure, but anything that shortens ort lessens the impact is always good.

Glad someone is doing real studies on it.  It drives me a tad nuts when someone want to use Fru fru science! 

These do appear to have been properly done.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2020, 04:24:19 pm »
The second video is complex.  I try to summarize as simply as possible.

The virus must attach to a human cell.  This attachment, virus to human cell, is possible by a human cell surface structure known as ace2.  High blood pressure medication also diabetes medication increases the ace2 therefore folks taking high blood pressure medication ending in: TAN or diabetes meds ending in PRIL have increased ace2 thus resulting in more virus numbers and much sicker patients.

Contrary, the European medical union cautions the above is hypothetical and warns patients NOT to stop taking the meds ending in TAN or PRIL.

More simply stated a virus just cannot make physical contact with a human cell and enter the cell.  The human cell wall inhibits entry of the virus.  However the corvid19 virus found a back door that allows entry into a human cell.  This back door is called ace2.  The ace2 is located in high numbers in lung cells.  Thus a lung infection results, inwhich a lung infection is known as pneumonia.  The above meds are educationally GUESSED, or hypothesis as we say in science, at increasing ace2, the back door entry for corvid19 into a lung cell.

A curious note, Asians have more ace2 than Americans.  I am in no way offer opinions, just my interpretations of the videos.  Great catch, again, Phil.  Thanks for posting.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2020, 04:48:22 pm »
Thank you Mr. Van. I knew you would know! I knew We could count on you. That goes for you also  Member and BAHBEES. God job men. I hope this does help.
Gods Blessings,
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2020, 04:51:49 pm »
Mr Van, do you have an idea of what amount of tonic per day we should drink?

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2020, 05:55:07 pm »
Ben, mixed with Jim Beam, 50-50, about a quart per day, BUT DON"T DRIVE>>>>>>>>>   :shocked: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2020, 05:57:56 pm »
Phil, I can?t state because that could cause liabilities, also I do not know for sure.

What is known,  same infected number of people,  however: the Koreans had 1:10 death rate compared to itialians.  Koreans about 45 deaths and Italian about 450: exact numbers are in the video, I am posting approximate numbers.  The Koreans used the zinc transporter they block the virus as described in my earlier post.
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2020, 05:59:48 pm »
Ben, mixed with Jim Beam, 50-50, about a quart per day, BUT DON"T DRIVE>>>>>>>>>   :shocked: :cheesy: :cheesy:

I luv it.  Good one ID.
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2020, 06:14:47 pm »
I understand. I appreciate what you have shared very informative and you shared knowledge here may save lives. Thank you so much

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2020, 06:17:42 pm »
Ben, mixed with Jim Beam, 50-50, about a quart per day, BUT DON"T DRIVE>>>>>>>>>   :shocked: :cheesy: :cheesy:


Iddee not that was funny!  Once  again you made me literally laugh out loud!!   :shocked:  :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2020, 06:19:52 pm »
Once again thank you Barry, Van, and Member... Much appreciated!

Phillip

PS You to Iddee lol 😂

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2020, 04:47:15 pm »
Molecular Biology is fascinating!

Taking some lead off of the info here I just bought some Tonic to go with my stock of Bombay Saphire.  Plus some Mens high Zinc multi-vitamin.  This may or may not make a difference at all for me.  Though it is pretty much guaranteed those certainly are not going to do me any harm and if anything will help with boosting energies and morale going into the bee-spring work period.
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2020, 07:02:07 pm »
Fantastic information and discussion.

Thanks, Phillip and all.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2020, 07:22:24 am »
Van,  BAABEEs, Member,  check this out! The next question; Is this drug readily available?  Is this one of the drugs that fits into the 90 percent of drugs, manufactured in China? If so, will China have it in sufficient amounts, and be willing for world wide distribution in a moments notice? Are there drug companies which make, or can make, and produce mass amounts of this drug here in America making it readily available for Americans as well as other countries?  Are these reasonable questions?
Thanks Phillip

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2020, 02:13:39 pm »
Van,  BAABEEs, Member,  check this out! The next question; Is this drug readily available?  Is this one of the drugs that?s fit into the 90 percent of drugs, manufactured in China? If so will China have it in sufficient supplies and amounts for world wide distribution in a moments notice? Are there drug companies which make or can produce mass amounts of this drug here in America making it readily available for Americans as well as other countries?  Are these reasonable questions?
Thanks Phillip


I think those are reasonable questions and I don't know the answer to any of them.  :cheesy:  I think this seems like really good news though.     
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2020, 09:22:37 pm »
Thank you for your response Member.

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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2020, 10:06:27 pm »
Chloroquine, you nailed that one Mr. Ben over a week ago.  What took the FDA so long?  BenFramed should counsel those researchers, tell them which direction to head.  It?s all in Mr. BenFrame original post, the subject of this post, originated days ago.

Wait another week and mention will be made of tonic water, contrary to big pharma who wishes to sale their drug.  Those folks will do anything to hide tonic water and quinine.  Big pharma can?t make a dime off tonic water, so every effort will be made to hide.  Think of the $$$$$$ almost every person in the world would buy RX to prevent or lessen corvid19.  So hush hush about tonic water and quinine.

Thank you again Mr. Ben, Phil, your best catch yet!
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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2020, 11:31:02 pm »
>BenFramed should counsel those researchers, tell them which direction to head.  It?s all in Mr. BenFrame original post, the subject of this post, originated days ago.

Mr. Van Thank you for the kind words. I  am just bold enough to try! lol  But realizing my lack of proper education in this field, would be my disadvantage. On the other hand, with you by my side I think we as a team, could give them a run for their money! Getting this mess straightened out pronto! lol :wink:

PS It would not be a bad idea to ask Iddee, Member, and BAABEEs along just for good measure.  :grin:

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2020, 10:34:40 am »
Mr. Ben brought the subject choloquine malaria drug [see video] on March 16, this thread, FDA just ordered one million doses and is now, just recently, news folks are talking about Mr. Ben?s, Phil subject matter, this thread.  What took everybody, new media, so long???  All the media had to do was read this post on BeeMaster by BenFramed.  Again, good catch, Phil.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2020, 02:24:07 pm »
Thank you Mr Van. I agree this is very important news and I am very happy to hear that the FDA has decided to finally move on this. So important. But I can not really take credit for the find, I think the Good Lord led me to it and form me, to you, through me. Teamwork Mr Van. I credit YOU for confirming just how important this drug is for this situation. I am happy that you studied it and know of it. I feel we at Beemaster are blessed that you are here to enlighten us. I also wish to recognize Member and BAABEEs for their input. But you are the key to our understanding and conformation. Just more proof that a Scientist may retire but is never retired. Thank you so very much and lets pray that we, nor our families and friends, have to be faced with this dread.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2020, 11:24:52 am »
Mr Van it seems more and more people in the medical field are agreeing with you and what you had to say weeks ago. Thank you Mr Van.

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Re: Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2020, 10:51:30 pm »
Yeah thanks guys zinc and tonic water is now on my daily schedule.

I?d also like to add, in regards to the above video, that although 1000000 tests have been done, and congrats for that, it?s still a long way behind other countries like Italy, tests per capita but is moving forward which is positive.
Stay safe all.

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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2020, 12:49:21 am »
At 18:50 The President speaks of this once more. Mr Van.

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