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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2020, 11:23:04 pm »
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2020, 09:55:03 am »
Yes, there will be a world wide ripple effect from the virus.  China is shutting down manufacturing in several areas due to the quarantine.  South Korea has already stopped production of some autos due to a shortage of Chinese parts.  Supply of rare earth materials may be an issue very soon.

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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2020, 11:39:01 am »
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Kathy, I have seen videos there of people simply falling out shaking violently, in the streets, in offices, and hospitals etc. I do not know if these are real or even accurate. Have you seen similar?

I have, but nothing like that from outside China.  We can't verify what's coming from inside.

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Yes, there will be a world wide ripple effect from the virus.  China is shutting down manufacturing in several areas due to the quarantine.  South Korea has already stopped production of some autos due to a shortage of Chinese parts.  Supply of rare earth materials may be an issue very soon.

At this moment I think any trade issues will be a blip.  If this gets into other populations that are important to trade, and does as it has done in China, it could be a problem.  India, Vietnam, etc. These are countries with dense populations and a questionable ability to deal with a massive outbreak. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2020, 06:11:46 pm »
I just ordered Apple rechargeable batteries.Most sites are sold out and have no expected date to restock.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2020, 07:38:34 pm »
I hear Apple is moving a bunch of its stuff to Vietnam. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 12:44:57 pm »
The move by apple to Vietnam was reported in June last year and was reported as a work around to the tariffs

More importantly the paper that was pre-released has been withdrawn by the authors because the scientific community called it out as junk.

Indian researchers find artifacts of HIV in the Wuhan virus
The paper is not peer reviewed but I suppose it will be quickly.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v2




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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2020, 12:10:38 am »
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I suppose it's time to call in the Marines!

Pandemic plans exist along with plans for other disasters.  The military has its own issues because of deployments.  I don't think we are going to get that far in the US, but it is possible that the military will have to implement some of its plans, especially in other countries. 

Everything depends on how this virus behaves going forward.  Right now it appears to be fairly highly contagious, but not particularly deadly.  A high contagion rate with a lot of quarantines and hospitalizations is disruptive, but if the recovery rate continues to be high, that's a short term problem.  If it mutates and becomes more serious, or if people panic and overwhelm and/or abandon the system, that's when things get fun. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2020, 03:24:35 pm »
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/17/health/evacuated-passengers-test-positive-coronavirus/index.html

This might be an issue.  There seem to be a lot of positives with the new test and the patients are asymptomatic.  They have not nailed down the point at which a positive person is able to spread the virus.  Even more of a problem comes if patients never become symptomatic and are still able to spread the disease. In that case, there is no contact tracing until it is way too late to corral all the contacts. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2020, 03:27:36 pm »
If any of you guys follow Michael Yon on FB or his site he's doing good updates from Thailand and other places in that area.  Those countries are worth watching because a lot of people from China escaped and went to Thailand, Singapore, etc. before the gates in China slammed shut. 

We can get a good indicator of spread from what's happening in those other countries. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2020, 06:27:17 pm »
Ohio has closed all K-12 schools, universities and colleges until 4/1/2020.
Guess there might be something to it.

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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
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Ohio has closed all K-12 schools, universities and colleges until 4/1/2020.
Guess there might be something to it.

I get it, you have to do something or be accused of not doing something.  My fear is that this is like hyping a hurricane that comes to nothing.  When we DO have a really serious pandemic people will not pay attention if this one has caused over-reaction. 

I know this can get serious.  I know it can overwhelm the system.  Even so, I am kind of at a loss as to why this is causing the panic it is when we have millions sick and in the hospital, not to mention dying, every year from the flu. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2020, 07:31:20 pm »
Ms. Kathy, hello and greetings.  Lady, you make a good point as to confusion of corona  as applied to conventional flu virus.  What is the big deal, one may ask?

Corona is a small RNA virus, very different from the typical flu virus.  What so different one may ask?

1.  Extremely fast rate for Mutations
2.  Corona jumped species barrier.
3.  Carrier virion.  Virion is singular for plural virus.

1.  On the first issue, mutating virus leaves a big UNKNOWN.  The mutations are my biggest concern as the possibilities seam endless:  drug resistance conferred to bacteria, cancer, tumors, nerve  damage, organ damage, on and on and on.

2.  Most of the time, when a pathogen jumps the species barrier the results are very serious.  Take herpes simplex virus of monkeys for example: basically harmless to monkeys, but deadly, like 100% fatality upon transfer to humans.  A main concern for biological warfare.  The monkey herpes virus leaves no human survivors.  This is an extreme example of a disease organism that makes a species jump.  Mad Cow Disease,  HIV other examples: HIV harmless to most apes yet killed millions of humans after the species jump to humans was made.  So microbiologist such as I get very nervous when an organism makes a species jump.

3.  Some of my research in the past was to determine how disease causing organisms acquired antibiotic resistance: staph, strep and such.  The end result of my research was always the same: virus transferred the genes needed for antibiotic resistance to bacteria.  In every single case I studied, a virus was the carrier.  M2096, a strain of the bacteria that causes strep throat that acquired the ability to bind to kidney cells causing kidney failure and subsequent death.  Yea, a sore throat, a simple sore throat with the aid of a virus acquired the ability to destroy kidney cells.  M2096 was kind of a personal issue with me, as I was the guy to crack the code on this one.  To much boring detail to go into the specifics, just wanted to make a point.

Ms. Kathy, I understand your question:  WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT?  The fuss is about the unknown possibilities that can spiral out of control very quickly.  What are the possibilities; I know of no way to justify a number in percentage.  I am not losing any sleep.  To the contrary: The media and politicians never miss a good opportunity for creating chaos.  Chaos means money to those on TV.

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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2020, 07:58:30 pm »
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Ms. Kathy, I understand your question:  WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT?  The fuss is about the unknown possibilities that can spiral out of control very quickly

Yes, and I understand that.  I understand that the more people infected the more chance for mutation and there is some evidence that this one has already mutated at least once.  I understand the fear when there is no treatment and no preventative.  I understand that the system can be overwhelmed by a lot of sick people.

I also understand that people expect the government to DO SOMETHING. 

Not much to be done about it now.  The horse is out of the barn.

  My concern is that if this remains as it is, people are going to look back on this and be angry by a real or perceived over-reaction.  The result will be the same as the overblown storm predictions.  When the next big thing comes around, people will ignore recommendations. 

My amazement is that we had H1N1 infect millions, hospitalize many thousands and 12 thousand + died in this country. People don't even remember it.  They don't remember it because even though it was a deadly pandemic, there was not this kind of hyp by the press and panic by the public and government. 

I know there is not a happy middle ground at this point, but I fear the long term fallout is going to be far worse than the virus. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2020, 08:02:01 pm »
As an Australian i just want to apologize
I know we didn't start the panic buying (pretty sure it started from a joke on an American show??? But dont quote me on that), but the panic buying of toilet paper is absolutely ridiculous
You may laugh and say "its only toilet paper people - calm down" but think of the elderly who can only go shopping once a week or the disabled who cant get to go to every supermarket in town at the time they open to try and get some - buy it on eBay you say? Not all the elderly are that tech savvy!
Yes, whole towns are selling out of toilet paper and when they do stock the shelves, its all gone in minutes (no seriously - there is video of a supermarket selling out full shelves in under 90 seconds)
We have even had people fighting over it! The best (worst??) was the case that required the police to get involved, the guy then attacks the police and gets tasered!
Hopefully level heads will prevail soon, supermarkets are limiting customers to one pack of toilet paper at a time to try and slow it down
Oh yeah, hand sanitizer is sold out, as is pasta, long life milk, and some tinned foods - again, no need for this
Hopefully this craze hasn't carried over to where you are as well

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2020, 08:40:24 pm »
Oh, it's here.  Costco sells huge packs of TP and people are buying tons of it.  My son is a manager in a grocery store and they are sold out as soon as they stock the shelves with hand sanitizer and TP.

I don't get it.  There are things you can use other than TP, but you can't substitute TP for food.  You'd think the dried good would sell out.  Beans, rice, soup mix, etc. along with water storage containers.  But no...Gotta have enough TP to last to the second coming.   :cheesy:

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2020, 09:21:14 pm »
It's simple.The ones buying it know how full of Crap they are, and know they are going to need it.   :wink: :cheesy:
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Re: New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2020, 10:35:25 pm »
I like the humor.

Seriously, wait until a person walks into a public restroom, one item will be missing, TP.
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