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Offline Newby

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What is too close?
« on: December 28, 2019, 06:16:30 am »
I have been approached by a bee keeper to put some hives on the back of my property.  We found out out neighbour also has some hives about 500m away on their property.  We both back onto a state forest.  The neighbour does not want me to allow the hives on my property he believes they are too close.  The people who want to put the hives on my property don't think it would be a problem. 

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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 07:48:05 am »
The total number of hives in an area should number no more than about 25, as a normal, tongue-in-cheek accepted practice.
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2019, 11:55:41 am »
How many does he have.  Do you have any?  He likely is concerned about disease and competition.  Both are valid worries.

In a good area that is not already over populated with hives the distance should not be a problem.   Maybe get the two beekeepers together to work out their concerns? 
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2019, 11:57:43 am »
Robbing could be an issue if the hives are too close. Along with that varia transfer. Probably talk with him and work something out.
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What is too close?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2019, 01:30:42 pm »
How many are the -some hives- ?
What are the numbers.

.... the some being asked to be placed ?
.... the some that the neighbour has ?
.... how many homes (households) are in the area.

There is no too close.  Hives can be back2back side2side.  As per iddee, the matter is hive density in the area needs review for:  forage support, disease/pest control, nearby residences.
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2019, 03:54:13 pm »
Newbe,
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Please add your location to your profile.
As mentioned it is important to know how many hives are you dealing with as well as how much food is available in your area.
In the spring, commercial beeks bring thousands of hives to north Florida. For the spring gallberry bloom they place 64 hives per location. They used to put one group within 20 feet of my property. When they do that I get very little honey and they also get very little as compared to their other sites. The next closest location that I know of if less than a mile. That is too close. One year after the big fire none of the commercials placed any hives. That year I made 500 pounds of honey with 9 hives. Being too close and too many does cause problems.
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2019, 05:25:28 pm »
Last Autumn we got socalled "poached" by other bee keepers. We had 100 hives in a group and had another BK put 200 hives about 2km away that had an effect on our production. With the tree population in the area about 4-5km away would have been better.
Again like Jim, everyone gets less production from hives too close.
In dense forest areas 3km (2 mile) apart is considered acceptable.

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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2019, 09:20:34 pm »
Dr.Thomas Seely reports that individual hives should be at least 30 meters apart within an apiary to decrease Varroa transmission.

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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2019, 12:23:58 am »
Dr.Thomas Seely reports that individual hives should be at least 30 meters apart within an apiary to decrease Varroa transmission.

Dr Seely is pretty sharp when it comes to SHB. Dr Ramsey is the foremost expert on varroa from what I have read. But I am not disputing Dr Seeleys claim.  If we study professional beekeepers, we will see that many use pallets which hold anywhere from 2 to 4 hives on each pallet. Lined up in rows. I am referring to Ian Stepler in particular as per his blogs. Ian is very good at commercial beekeeping and that includes varroa control. I would suggest watching his blogs if you have not indulged. Very interesting and informing.
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2019, 12:24:49 am »
The total number of hives in an area should number no more than about 25, as a normal, tongue-in-cheek accepted practice.
So the 50 or so in my backyard is too many?  :shocked:  And the other 30 I have a mile away would be too many bees in the area?

I do think that I am near the upper limit in my area without supplemental feeding.

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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2019, 09:33:48 am »
cao, in the middle of a million acre pine forest with controlled undergrowth, one may be too many. If the neighbor across the street has a thousand acres of almonds, the one next to him has 500 acres of clover, and you have a thousand acres of canola, 500 hives may be too few. That's why I said ""tongue-in-cheek". No two areas are going to be exactly the same. As the others have posted, there are many variables.
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Re: What is too close?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2020, 06:14:37 pm »
I've often had hives right by my door with no problems.  But then I have had some that got mean that were 100 yards and that was too close.  Right now my hives are about hundred yards from the house and have been for the last 7 years in this location and were for the last 13 years at my old location with no issues.  Bees are like dogs.  You don't want to keep a mean one around, but very few of them are mean.
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