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Offline Ben Framed

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Re: Are all Queen Excluders The Same?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2019, 12:58:38 pm »
All of the unbound queen excluders have a minimum bee space below (1/4") and no bee space above (only 1/8"). So they get badly gummed up by burr comb.  The bound excluder has a bee space above (usually 3/8") and excess bee space below (usually about 1/2").

Very good information Mr Bush. Thank you for shedding light on this. This information complements what AR Beekeeper was saying in post number 2 as for the use metal bound excluders.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2019, 01:11:50 pm by Ben Framed »
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Re: Are all Queen Excluders The Same?
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2019, 02:40:59 pm »
Steel bars with wooden frame, but I have no idea where manufacture took place.  they are from either Kelly, Dadant, or BetterBee...don't remember.

What I meant by over thinking should probably have been over worrying!  A lazier approach all this year did fine.  Last year I scraped those things clear every time I went in.  This year, very rarely.  They did just fine.

I kind of think this-  They are not going to close off the access to their own honey stores.  or said differently...Burr comb seems to bother us far more than it bothers them.

My final calculations was that the amount of damage I was doing by removing the thing to clean it constantly was worse for them that even a 1/2 way sealed up QE.

They really didn't seem affected at all.

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Re: Are all Queen Excluders The Same?
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2019, 03:59:20 pm »
Bees wax up parts of the QX but leave enough open to get through. In winter you will find more waxing, especially around the center, bit of a self made hive mat, but is removed by the bees in spring.
We hardly ever scrape a QX, unnecessary work and risk of damaging bars. When you remove the QX put it back the in the same position so as the burr wax is in the same position.
Qx's that are removed from deadouts or for what ever reason are cleaned in winter by dipping in hot water.
Michael is right, if you leave the right distance from the top of the frame to the bars of the QX then the bees use it for travelling space and so don't wax it up as much.
Even though the Chinese QX's are steel bound, if you put them cross/supporting bars down you will get about the right space. Our frames are about 1/8" below the top of the super.
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