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Offline Michael Bush

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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 09:16:35 am »
I don't see any shortage of opportunity.  Every store I go in has a "Help Wanted" sign.  I can't find anyone to do any actual work.  I've been trying for three years to get someone to show up and cut down some trees that are going to fall and I can barely get anyone to come look at them and then they never give me a bid.  I can't get an electrician or plumber to show up.  I can't get people to fix my car unless it's something simple that I could do myself anyway.  I haven't been able to get a small engine repaired in three decades.  Any high school kid could start a business fixing small engines for an investment of $100 in hand tools.  Part of it is they are not willing to sacrifice.  I moved out on my own when I was 18 and I was dirt poor for a long time before I worked my way up in the world, but with a lot of work it happens.  I don't think young people are willing to be poor.  And poor people in our society don't even know HOW to be poor.  They eat out too much.  They buy precooked food.  Prepackaged food.  When I was poor we cooked EVERYTHING from scratch.  No mixes.  We bought flour and sugar and oil.  We baked all our bread.  Fifty pound bags of pintos and white beans and rolled oats.
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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2019, 11:50:39 am »
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I don't think your grand daughter is a dunce.  IF she said these things she is playing you and as expected you eat it right up.

I don't think she's dunce either.  She's quite bright.  You seem to imply that I am making up a conversation?

We have some very open conversations and I appreciate the fact that she feels she can be open with me.  This particular conversation came after she told me she needed a weekend in bed because she was tired and stressed.

I do not doubt that she FEELS stressed.  I am pointing out that even she acknowledges that much of the stress of her generation is manufactured as there are few external stresses on them.  They do not need to worry about where their next meal is coming from, where they will sleep, how they will pay bills, etc. 

Debt is a choice and there are plenty of opportunities.  They are not to be found by spending a weekend in bed.

What we did do wrong is make it so easy for them.  If they had to do as we had to do when we were that age, they would be in less debt and spend less time in bed.  We also convinced them that college is the path to success and if they fail in getting that degree they have automatically failed in life.
I am trying to talk her out of going back to school next year because she is not doing well in the few classes she is taking, none of them really furthering her academic stats.   Choir and swimming are not going to lead to a job.



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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2019, 05:56:30 pm »
They do not need to worry about where their next meal is coming from, where they will sleep, how they will pay bills, etc. 

Debt is a choice and there are plenty of opportunities.

It sounds to me she has made a choice to not go in debt.  She must be taking the opportunity to live with her parents rather than worry about where her next meal is coming from, where she will sleep, and how she will pay bills, etc.  I guess she is smart, maybe.  What she is giving up is independence and becoming more dependent.  That will not go away as she gets older.  She can thank her parents for not letting go...  The problem in not education.  No one has ever been harmed from learning something.
OKay now the tough part.  Your grand daughter, which means at least one of her parents is your offspring.  What did you do wrong?
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2019, 07:24:17 pm »
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It sounds to me she has made a choice to not go in debt.  She must be taking the opportunity to live with her parents rather than worry about where her next meal is coming from, where she will sleep, and how she will pay bills, etc.  I guess she is smart, maybe.  What she is giving up is independence and becoming more dependent.  That will not go away as she gets older.  She can thank her parents for not letting go...  The problem in not education.  No one has ever been harmed from learning something.
OKay now the tough part.  Your grand daughter, which means at least one of her parents is your offspring.  What did you do wrong?

Education itself is not a problem.  Believing that if you don't get a degree you are a failure, is. 

The story is a long one and not one I choose to share here, but it has to do with a divorce, lots of sex and lots of children, and a protracted custody fight that was won too late to completely save my sons two kids.  I do have hope that she will overcome the early example set by her 1st custodial parent and grandparent.  So far, no pregnancy!   
At the moment, she is living with me.  She wanted to try college again and we are conveniently located.  As this seems not to be working for her, I am suggesting that she investigate some other career and get out on her own.  Considering what she has had to overcome I have cut her some slack, but my patience is not unlimited.

My failure?  It was not to recognize early enough that a 14 year old girl could be such a bleep and that her mother would encourage her behavior, as did her church.  I would have stepped in before it was too late.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2019, 07:53:30 am »
Kathyp,
You are right. The biggest problem with this generation is that we tried to make their life too easy.
Give them lots of money so they can enjoy their childhood and not have to work until they are an adult. Problem is they never became adults because of this.
I was making my own money when I was 12. If I needed spending money for anything other than basics; food, clothing, school supplies and books, I had to make it. If I wanted to use my dads mower to make money to cut grass, I had to cut our grass first. Actually I had to keep the grass cut. That was one of my jobs.
When children start working at an early age, they learn the value of good work habits.
This generation missed this and and now a want everything given to them.
That is why the Democratic Nanny socialist society is so appeasing to them.
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2019, 10:24:56 am »
My children had part time jobs growing up.
There are many lessons learned by having a job and managing your own money.

Giving your children almost everything they ask for does not make sense to me.

There may be other ways of accomplishing the same goal, but working as a teenager benefited me.

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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2019, 10:26:19 am »
So....back on topic.


Has anyone watched any of the episodes yet?
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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2019, 11:09:53 am »
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So....back on topic.

Didn't know we got OT   :grin:  I have not, but it is now on my list.  Thank you for the rec.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2019, 08:57:37 am »
The biggest problem with this generation is that we tried to make their life too easy.
Yes, I have heard that.  I see no difference whether the family is republican or democrat.  Actually it has more to do with financially having more to give.  My generation has more to give then my parents or my offspring.  What came into play is "keeping up with the Jones's".  My parents could not have survived if they played that game.  The act of giving your kids more then they need has nothing to do with socialism otherwise Trump would be a full blown socialist.
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2019, 09:03:29 am »
The biggest problem with this generation is that we tried to make their life too easy.
Yes, I have heard that.  I see no difference whether the family is republican or democrat.  Actually it has more to do with financially having more to give.  My generation has more to give then my parents or my offspring.  What came into play is "keeping up with the Jones's".  My parents could not have survived if they played that game.  The act of giving your kids more then they need has nothing to do with socialism otherwise Trump would be a full blown socialist.
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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2019, 01:35:49 pm »
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The act of giving your kids more then they need has nothing to do with socialism otherwise Trump would be a full blown socialist.

Did someone say that it did?  It is not a partisan issue.  It is the mistake of a generation.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Why We Hate
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2019, 06:28:35 pm »
I don't see any shortage of opportunity.  Every store I go in has a "Help Wanted" sign.  I can't find anyone to do any actual work.  I've been trying for three years to get someone to show up and cut down some trees that are going to fall and I can barely get anyone to come look at them and then they never give me a bid.  I can't get an electrician or plumber to show up.  I can't get people to fix my car unless it's something simple that I could do myself anyway.  I haven't been able to get a small engine repaired in three decades.  Any high school kid could start a business fixing small engines for an investment of $100 in hand tools.  Part of it is they are not willing to sacrifice.  I moved out on my own when I was 18 and I was dirt poor for a long time before I worked my way up in the world, but with a lot of work it happens.  I don't think young people are willing to be poor.  And poor people in our society don't even know HOW to be poor.  They eat out too much.  They buy precooked food.  Prepackaged food.  When I was poor we cooked EVERYTHING from scratch.  No mixes.  We bought flour and sugar and oil.  We baked all our bread.  Fifty pound bags of pintos and white beans and rolled oats.
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