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Brrrr, its cold
« on: November 13, 2019, 10:28:09 pm »
Well, cold for here anyway.
It is 22 degrees outside and I cannot help but wonder if I did everything I should have to get the bees ready for the next few months.
When the cold snap breaks I have to go in and remove old Apivar strips installed in September and improve the insulation on top and improve the ventilation. Maybe I'll wrap the hives with a bee cozy.
On Monday I removed the top feeder. I have been giving them 2:1 syrup from time to time this fall. It looks like they had stopped taking it on Monday. Earlier they were moving a gallon of syrup within a day. Would leaving the empty top feeder on help with condensation control? Could I fill it with moisture absorbing material for the winter months?
I have 1 inch of foam insulation between the inner and telescoping covers. There is a gap in the insulation to let air out. I also plan on putting a notch on the bottom side of the inner cover rim to give them a top entrance.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2019, 06:25:34 am »
It's 23 here right now and I'm 550 miles south of you.

You can build or buy a quilt board for extra insulation and absorbency.

https://beezneedz.com/product-category/quilt-board/
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2019, 02:54:59 pm »
Your having a heat wave compared to my ares, low teens.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2019, 05:05:07 pm »
Your having a heat wave compared to my ares, low teens.
Van

22 degrees is below average, but within an expected range, for a mid winter day in these parts.
We get the benefit of a moderating effect from the nearby ocean.

I am surprised to see little chatter about the arctic blast and bees on the forum.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2019, 07:12:38 pm »
You can build or buy a quilt board for extra insulation and absorbency.
I have moisture quilts on all my hives during the winter.  I take a shallow super and drill some vent holes in it, and then use #8 hardware cloth to divide the super in half horizontally and to cover the vent holes.  Then I put an inch or so of pine shavings in the top half of the super, and I have a couple inches of room in the bottom half to put in some sugar bricks if the hives need them.     
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 06:00:31 pm »
We finally got a seasonal day today. The temperature was around 50 degrees and sunny. The bees were somewhat clustered between the deep and medium brood boxes. There were some bees in the honey super. They were a few bees flying before I went into the hive. Lots flying by the time I finished my visit.


Feel free to critique my winter set up or offer opinions / suggestions.

I removed Apivar strips installed in mid-September, removed an unoccupied bottom deep brood box, cleaned the bottom board, put a 7/8 by 5/16 notch on the underside of the inner cover for ventilation (facing forward on the same side as the lower opening), put an inch and a half shim above that filled with insulating foam and another inch of insulating foam on the underside of the telescoping cover on top of that. Previously I put a thin 1/4 inch layer of insulating foam below the bottom board and set the lower opening to the smallest setting (opening up). The hive configuration is a deep brood box on the bottom, a medium brood box in the middle and a medium honey super on the top.


I have not yet committed to installing a quilt box. I will likely wrap the hive with a bee cozy.


I did not pull any frames for inspection or resource evaluation nor did I do a post treatment mite count. The colony size appears strong. Stores were good a month ago. I kept the hive inversely stacked and covered with the inner cover to minimize heat loss as I quickly did my manipulations.


What minimum temperature do I need to pull a frame to do a post treatment mite count? Is it too late in the fall to do a mite count or follow up treatment? It will be lower to mid 50 degrees next week.


The removed deep brood box has resources in it. Fully drawn comb. 2 half frames of capped honey/syrup. Pollen / bee bread. Stored uncapped syrup. How do I take advantage of those resources and store them without a freezer? (I have the moth crystals to protect the comb over winter storage.)

There were 10 to 20 old dark capped brood cells in the removed brood box. The caps had holes in them. I picked out a few dead nearly formed bees. One cell was a bit gooey - tan / light brown goo. I left the rest alone for possible inspection by a more experienced beekeeper.


Do I keep the bottom entrance as is, reduce it further or close it completely? If I close it completely, how long do I keep it open until the bees get accustomed to the new upper opening? (The upper entrance was being used right away.)

Tom

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2019, 08:41:55 am »

The removed deep brood box has resources in it. Fully drawn comb. 2 half frames of capped honey/syrup. Pollen / bee bread. Stored uncapped syrup. How do I take advantage of those resources and store them without a freezer? (I have the moth crystals to protect the comb over winter storage.)
Why did you take these resources away from the colony?  Moth crystals are deadly to bees.

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Do I keep the bottom entrance as is, reduce it further or close it completely? If I close it completely, how long do I keep it open until the bees get accustomed to the new upper opening? (The upper entrance was being used right away.)
Doesn't matter but now it not the time to mess with the hive.  Check stores at the end of Feb on a warm day.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2019, 10:45:19 am »
Why did you take these resources away from the colony?  Moth crystals are deadly to bees.
To reduce the amount of space the bees need to keep warm and protect.
I have para-moth for the stored drawn comb.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2019, 12:25:50 pm »
Hey. In Ukraine, frost is -11 and wind. Bees winter in the street :happy:

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2019, 01:30:26 pm »
@Dimas, Northern regions need Ukrainian bees then! 

Here in the Florida panhandle, we still have flying weather.  They are working hard, not sleeping in the nest.  :cheesy:
Only one month to Winter Solstice and bee build up!  But it will dip below freezing and be 40 degrees daytime in December/January.

@15thMember - thanks for the great idea for a multipurpose quilt box!

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2019, 01:40:26 pm »
@Dimas, Northern regions need Ukrainian bees then! 

FloridaGardener, I have a local Ukrainian steppe bee. She lives well in winter. 3-5 months does not fly.

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2019, 02:32:52 pm »
@15thMember - thanks for the great idea for a multipurpose quilt box!
You're welcome!  I don't remember who it was, but somebody else on this forum came up with the idea.   
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2019, 03:12:04 pm »
Hey. In Ukraine, frost is -11 and wind. Bees winter in the street :happy:

Цитую вас
Гей. В Україні мороз -11 та вітер. Бджоли зимують на вулиці: щасливо:

У ваших перекладах написано, що в Україні живе, де взимку їздять машини.
Радий, що вас тут, у крамниці.
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Hey. V Ukrayini moroz -11 ta viter. Bdzholy zymuyutʹ na vulytsi: shchaslyvo:

U vashykh perekladakh napysano, shcho v Ukrayini zhyve, de vzymku yizdyatʹ mashyny.
Radyy, shcho vas tut, u kramnytsi.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2019, 03:51:21 pm »
I won?t write any more messages. I don?t know English, Google translator translates poorly.

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2019, 04:17:09 pm »
I won?t write any more messages. I don?t know English, Google translator translates poorly.

No please do not give up, I am glad to have you here. This is an international forum. Sometimes google does not translate properly what one is meaning to say. Please continue. 

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2019, 04:27:01 pm »
I won?t write any more messages. I don?t know English, Google translator translates poorly.

No please do not give up, I am glad to have you here. This is an international forum. Sometimes google does not translate properly what one is meaning to say. Please continue.
Thank you! I will learn English :wink:

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2019, 04:32:54 pm »
I won?t write any more messages. I don?t know English, Google translator translates poorly.

No please do not give up, I am glad to have you here. This is an international forum. Sometimes google does not translate properly what one is meaning to say. Please continue.
Thank you! I will learn English :wink:

Thank you also. I need to brush up on my Ukrainian.  :wink:

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2019, 04:38:55 pm »
It translates well enough that we can get what you mean perfectly well...and...I see a lot of Facebook posts by natural born English speakers that is, oops, are far harder to figure out!!!

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2019, 04:51:51 pm »
It translates well enough that we can get what you mean perfectly well...and...I see a lot of Facebook posts by natural born English speakers that is, oops, are far harder to figure out!!!

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2019, 05:03:29 pm »
There was a frost in Ukraine, I wanted to connect bees. So that they did not notice me, he put on a camouflage hat. But it did not help  :cheesy: humor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efh3bvssUBw           

В Украине было холодно в ноябре, я хотел соединить слабые пчелосемьи. Чтобы они меня не заметили, надел маскировочную шапку. Но это не помогло )))

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2019, 05:17:54 pm »
To reduce the amount of space the bees need to keep warm and protect.
I have para-moth for the stored drawn comb.
They don't keep the space warm and they don't have to protect it in the winter months.  Your only issue with an empty box below the cluster is mice which can be prevented with a mouse guard.  You should be using mouse guards in your area.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2019, 05:25:27 pm »
There was a frost in Ukraine, I wanted to connect bees. So that they did not notice me, he put on a camouflage hat. But it did not help  :cheesy: humor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efh3bvssUBw           

В Украине было холодно в ноябре, я хотел соединить слабые пчелосемьи. Чтобы они меня не заметили, надел маскировочную шапку. Но это не помогло )))


Вибачте, що нічого не допомогло. . Вам повинно було бути добре в листопаді, але я не знайомий ні з вашими погодними умовами в Україні. Бажаю, щоб я міг допомогти більше. Можливо, може допомогти більше?

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2019, 05:32:42 pm »
Camouflage hat for bee protection... :shocked: :grin:

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2019, 05:35:54 pm »



Вибачте, що нічого не допомогло. . Вам повинно було бути добре в листопаді, але я не знайомий ні з вашими погодними умовами в Україні. Бажаю, щоб я міг допомогти більше. Можливо, може допомогти більше?
Ok i will make a video with english subtitles

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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2019, 05:47:43 pm »
Camouflage hat for bee protection... :shocked: :grin:

So much for you being able to understand perfectly.   :wink: lol j/k
What he said is
It was cold in Ukraine in November, I wanted to connect the weak bee families. So that they did not notice me, put on a masking hat. But it did not help)))
 (He got stung  anyway)  :grin:
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2019, 06:11:27 pm »
Dimas, I very much appreciate you and your videos. I am subscribing to your channel. I have learned much from fellow beekeepers from you area of the world. Ana Kara is another YouTuber from your area that I have learned much. He and his daughter make videos together. Though his accent is still strong from the home country, I am now very able to understand his broken English. I look forward to learning and sharing with you as well. Again welcome,
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2019, 09:04:29 pm »
They don't keep the space warm and they don't have to protect it in the winter months.  Your only issue with an empty box below the cluster is mice which can be prevented with a mouse guard.  You should be using mouse guards in your area.
I truly appreciate the feedback. Thanks.

I have read conflicting thoughts on this.Some suggest that if there is not a bee on every square inch that the excess boxes should be removed.

Conversely, I have read that it is useful to have dead air space below the hive. Well an unoccupied box seems to qualify as dead air space to me.
A local master beekeeper from my club told me to remove the box if it did not have any bees in it.

The lower entrance is set to the smallest opening and I am inclined to close it entirely (per Mr. Bush's approach). I know mice are quite the gymnasts and escape artists but I think the small upper entrance is too small for them. 7/8 by 5/16 inches. Let me know if those rascals can still get in. I do have a mouse guard that I can install. https://www.mannlakeltd.com/10-frame-mouse-guard I could slip the horizontal tab between the top super and the shim to seal the upper entrance or screw it to the face of the hive and give the bees a ledge to land on , fan on, etc. I also have 1/8 hardware cloth on hand.
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Re: Brrrr, its cold
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2019, 01:53:43 am »




Conversely, I have read that it is useful to have dead air space below the hive. Well an unoccupied box seems to qualify as dead air space to me.
A local master beekeeper from my club told me to remove the box if it did not have any bees in it.


We also have many put empty super. I do not bet. All frames must be covered by bees.

На русском языке: У нас тоже многие ставят пустые корпуса под низ улья для лучшего воздухообмена. И дно из сетки. Я раньше ставил, сейчас - нет. Нет никакой разницы в нашей местности. От мышей защита - обязательна, на летки ставлю заградители.


Ben Framed , Thank you!

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2019, 02:07:34 am »




Conversely, I have read that it is useful to have dead air space below the hive. Well an unoccupied box seems to qualify as dead air space to me.
A local master beekeeper from my club told me to remove the box if it did not have any bees in it.


We also have many put empty super. I do not bet. All frames must be covered by bees.

На русском языке: У нас тоже многие ставят пустые корпуса под низ улья для лучшего воздухообмена. И дно из сетки. Я раньше ставил, сейчас - нет. Нет никакой разницы в нашей местности. От мышей защита - обязательна, на летки ставлю заградители.


Ben Framed , Thank you!

You are more than welcome.. :smile:  :grin: