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Offline Ben Framed

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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2019, 02:14:59 pm »
> I feel safe in assuming that you read the article yourself

I did, but I've read so much in so many places I don't remember exactly what Randy said that was different.  I do seem to remember he was in favor of flash treatments, which of course are not approved so therefore they are illegal (the label is the law).  But flash treatment makes the most sense to me as it would even out the effects of the ambient temperature.  It still has issues, in my opinion, but it fixes the biggest issues, which is control over the dosage.


Yes sir, I believe you are correct. At least that is kind of the way he explained it. He was definitely controlling the dosage during his experiment. With different dosages He obtained different results.
Mr Oliver also used other Types of treatments along with keeping charts on the effectiveness of each.

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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2019, 05:02:58 pm »
I have a power point of the study and how to actually do the flash formic (as well as the details that are so important in this treatment) I was trying to send it to Ben but I can not figure it out.  The document is a pdf that is only 762 KB. Any suggestions on how to post it? I saved it as a JPG but each one printed to a separate file.
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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2019, 07:55:20 pm »
You may want to read my post in another thread about using formic acid products.  Formic acid products of ANY kind are off my list of treatments.  Especially MAQS and Formic Pro.

Mr Live Oak, before you completely disregard formic, you may want to view this article by Randy Oliver, as posted here by minz. I admit that the treatment guidelines are very strict, but may be worth the extra effort in the long run? If you have time to study this please let me know your thoughts on this research. I value your opinion. That goes for everyone else.  If you have the time to read this research, your further opinions are appreciated.
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://scientificbeekeeping.com/messin-with-varroa-2014/

I did read Randy's article.  Randy in my opinion leaned a bit towards sugar coating his results but the pictures of the Cluster$#@! that ensued after he applied the MAQS was more than enough for me to get the message. 

http://scientificbeekeeping.com/an-early-summer-test-of-mite-away-quick-strips/

Randy and many others who he kept in contact with had the same issues I did. 

If you want to kill you beehive and queens go ahead and use MAQS.  The recent experience I had was more than enough for me.  I am so angry off that I will probably NEVER buy ANYTHING from NOD again.........maybe even Mann Lake and Kelleys who sold me the MAQS. 

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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2019, 10:16:40 pm »
You may want to read my post in another thread about using formic acid products.  Formic acid products of ANY kind are off my list of treatments.  Especially MAQS and Formic Pro.

Mr Live Oak, before you completely disregard formic, you may want to view this article by Randy Oliver, as posted here by minz. I admit that the treatment guidelines are very strict, but may be worth the extra effort in the long run? If you have time to study this please let me know your thoughts on this research. I value your opinion. That goes for everyone else.  If you have the time to read this research, your further opinions are appreciated.
Thanks, Phillip

://scientificbeekeeping.com/messin-with-varroa-2014/

I did read Randy's article.  Randy in my opinion leaned a bit towards sugar coating his results but the pictures of the Cluster$#@! that ensued after he applied the MAQS was more than enough for me to get the message. 

http://scientificbeekeeping.com/an-early-summer-test-of-mite-away-quick-strips/

Randy and many others who he kept in contact with had the same issues I did. 

If you want to kill you beehive and queens go ahead and use MAQS.  The recent experience I had was more than enough for me.  I am so angry off that I will probably NEVER buy ANYTHING from NOD again.........maybe even Mann Lake and Kelleys who sold me the MAQS.

Mr Live Oak, when I ask you to look into the Flash treatment data, I had totally moved away for the MAQS issue. I was referring to  (Experiment #2 The Formic Flash Treatment), under the title  ://scientificbeekeeping.com/messin-with-varroa-2014/) this experiment was what I was asking for your opinion about and for you to please check into.
Not the MAQS, As you had already expressed your opinion on this. And I heard you loud and clear. And I symphysed for you then as well as now.

Experiment #2The Formic Flash Treatment) was what I was asking your opinion about. I had found this information afterward, later, when I found it in the link ://scientificbeekeeping.com/messin-with-varroa-2014/,  I ask your opinion on this article, wanting your unbiased opinion of this experiment. Mr Oliver pulled no punches with this flash experiment. He told where he made mistakes and killed queens but also told of how he corrected these mistakes.
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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2019, 03:35:44 pm »
He regularly would get banned for violation of the rules of conduct by being rude and condescending.  But I agree I miss his knowledge.

Mr Bush, I am just guessing, could it be that Finaki was misunderstood? When dealing with translations , it has been my experience that meanings can and do get twisted and misunderstood and sometimes lost. Translating languages by anyone less than an expert can dislodge the meaning of an Interpretation. This can sometimes be incorrect with what the speaker was trying to express. These misunderstood interpretations will continue to happen without an expert Interpreter. Wars may have been started by well meaning speakers only to have their translations totally misunderstood? just food for thought.
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Re: Formic Acid The Varroa Mite Terrorizer?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2019, 08:48:57 am »
It's a combination of cultural differences and language differences.  He was VERY blunt and sometimes insulting.  He was also pretty smart and experienced.
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