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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2019, 09:48:45 am »
Anything other than a flat tax is manipulation.  Anything other than a flat tax benefits the higher end.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2019, 06:47:50 pm »
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2019, 07:22:38 pm »
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
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Jim, I stated before, I have a theory that Brian, being a New Yorker along with Mr Trump also being form New York. Now Brian is living within a rocks throw from Mar-a-Lago, I wonder if Brian is secretly working for Mr Trump!! :wink:

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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2019, 09:56:30 am »
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
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LOL one would question what a conservative is these days.  It sure isn't balancing the budget, bettering the lives of the american people or reducing corruption.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2019, 01:46:32 pm »
Average wage earner up over 5,000 annually since Trump was elected. Lowest unemployment in 50 years. I don't know what you would call bettering the lives of American people, unless you are referring to bums, welfare recipients, criminals, and no-goods. Then you may be right, and I hope it continues.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2019, 02:07:51 pm »
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
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LOL one would question what a conservative is these days.  It sure isn't balancing the budget, bettering the lives of the american people or reducing corruption.

I would (loosely & somewhat) agree with you on this Ace. ... but your statement could be easily be said about both Parties.

In today's world - if a Republican politician is corrupt, our media makes it "Front Page News" for a week or more ... if a Democrat does the same, it goes unmentioned and we are forced to dig to find the answers, and then we are Name-Called for pointing out the corruption in the Candidate - case-in-point, the very corrupt, and recently deceased Elijah Cummings.

Another Peeve of mine - gutless Republicans - they run for office, make promises, and then refuse to do the right thing - case-in-point, the ever-gutless Mitt Romney.

Another Peeve - Democrats that claim to want to "Save the Environment" ... and then sell out the the highest bidder at 1st chance - (most of them)

Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

The only person in Washington that I see actually trying to DO something to better people's lives - is Trump.  Period.... thankfully, some of what he'd like to do is getting thru, and is working. The rest is being blocked - always by the Dems, and sometimes also by the Repubs.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2019, 08:40:38 pm »
Average wage earner up over 5,000 annually since Trump was elected. Lowest unemployment in 50 years. I don't know what you would call bettering the lives of American people, unless you are referring to bums, welfare recipients, criminals, and no-goods. Then you may be right, and I hope it continues.

That's right iddee
7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps. Since the election. Unemployment has reached its lowest rate in 50 years, unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans, have hit the all time lowest rates in the history of our country. Wages are rising fast and they are growing twice as fast for low income workers, they have the biggest percentage increase. 1.3 million fewer children live in poverty than when Mr Trump was elected, that's 1.3 MILLION people.  He cut a record number of job killing regulations.  He and his team, (he again said WE), have passed the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American History. Nearly a trillion dollars has already been poured back home. People had their money in other places and couldn't bring it back in, it was prohibited, the legislation was impossible but he and his team got rid of it, (again he said  WE), got rid of it.  Over  a TRILLION dollars has been brought back in and it's being spent  building right here in the United States instead building overseas. Meanwhile THE MAJOR  DEMOCRATS running for president have pledged to abolish American production of oil and natural gas, at least in Louisiana as his Louisiana speech is where I watched and heard this information. . Now tell me how that makes sense?
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2019, 09:17:58 am »

Another Peeve of mine - gutless Republicans - they run for office, make promises, and then refuse to do the right thing - case-in-point, the ever-gutless Mitt Romney.
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The only person in Washington that I see actually trying to DO something to better people's lives - is Trump.
You were doing good except for these two.
You can call the whole senate gutless.  Total fear to do there job and oppose anything trump says or tries to do, no matter how distasteful it is.
Trump has only tried to better his own life and a few family members.  He has no care for anyone else.  One thing he has mastered is brain washing.  He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2019, 09:28:44 am »
Walley and Ben, you are both parrots.  You are not going to get accurate information from fox.  This is the brain washing I speak off.  Constantly saying something is wrong over time makes you believe it is right.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 10:07:31 am »
Poor, poor, Ace. The only chance at getting anything right is Fox. If it's wrong there, you can't get it right. The other MSMs are known socialists run by the mafia and will never tell anything to help the peons. "Normal citizens"  That's why they hate Trump so much. He is doing for the middle guy. Again, I think you know that, but are just trolling. You just keep posting about the "wrongs" of Trump, when all signs are totally opposite and you don't, "and can't" back any of it up. You even deny it when it is laid out right to you.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2019, 12:20:16 pm »
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Anything other than a flat tax benefits the higher end.

If you look at who pays the majority of the taxes in this country you will see this is not true.  I am in favor of a flat tax that everyone pays, but to say that the current progressive tax system favors the rich is false.

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Total fear to do there job and oppose anything trump says or tries to do, no matter how distasteful it is.
Trump has only tried to better his own life and a few family members.  He has no care for anyone else.  One thing he has mastered is brain washing.  He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.

Once again I will ask you to back up your assertions.  I do think he would be hard to work for.  He's not one to suffer people who are not on the same page.
How has he bettered his own life at the expense of others?

While his morality in his sex life is questionable,  that's certainly not anything new in presidents.  In what way has he tried to convince you that his fooling around is morally right?  As far as I can see, the only thing he as argued is that he has broken no laws.

Examples of how he cares for no one else?



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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2019, 09:54:51 pm »
Walley and Ben, you are both parrots.  You are not going to get accurate information from fox.  This is the brain washing I speak off.  Constantly saying something is wrong over time makes you believe it is right.

 :shocked: Ace my friend, you are a trip ...  :wink: 
I would have gotten the very same information form CNN, MSNBC, or any other network, had they broadcasted the speech. The speech is where I got the information, straight from the Presidents' own mouth. I feel sure that I got the numbers right. Even though he is a fast talker, it good that he repeats himself for the benefit of clear communication, that way everyone should be able to understand his words. Even the slow minded. I know that you are fast minded so I must again agree with iddee from his quote below.  You are not tricking me as I feel my hunch is correct in that I really want to know, how long have you known or worked for Mr Trump?  :wink:

 
Poor, poor, Ace. The only chance at getting anything right is Fox. If it's wrong there, you can't get it right. The other MSMs are known socialists run by the mafia and will never tell anything to help the peons. "Normal citizens"  That's why they hate Trump so much. He is doing for the middle guy. Again, I think you know that, but are just trolling. You just keep posting about the "wrongs" of Trump, when all signs are totally opposite and you don't, "and can't" back any of it up. You even deny it when it is laid out right to you.

 :wink: You got it iddee.  Looks as if there is a dead cat on the line somewhere!! HA HAAA HAAAA.  I feel sure in time, when the dust settles, Brian will fill us in on the rest of the story.... :wink:
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2019, 09:31:33 am »
If you look at who pays the majority of the taxes in this country you will see this is not true.  I am in favor of a flat tax that everyone pays, but to say that the current progressive tax system favors the rich is false.

If what we had was a progressive tax system, period.  You would be right.  But all these systems come with loop holes so the high end earners avoid taxes altogether.  A flat tax would eliminate a major portion of the IRS.  No filing just a deduction from your earnings and that is it.  We do not have a progressive tax system, not even close.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 09:43:47 am »
As far as I can see, the only thing he as argued is that he has broken no laws.
It is helpful to be blind or look the other way.  I suppose Al Capone didn't break any laws. :rolleyes:
He is a gangster.  He gets other people to break the law at his wishes being careful that there is a fall guy.  Working for him is easy, you just have to be a brainless suck hole and do whatever he wants no matter how immoral or illegal it is.
Kathy, he comes from a gangster father.  Was taught how to do it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 09:46:33 am »
>Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

That used to be the case until George W. Bush was in office.  he spent money like a democrat. He didn't just allow it, he encouraged it.  I would listen to his State of the Union addresses and they all sounded like a democrat.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 04:01:32 pm »
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If what we had was a progressive tax system, period.  You would be right.  But all these systems come with loop holes so the high end earners avoid taxes altogether.  A flat tax would eliminate a major portion of the IRS.  No filing just a deduction from your earnings and that is it.  We do not have a progressive tax system, not even close.

The breakdown of who pays the most taxes is available online and I know I have posted it before.  Regardless of what the rich do to take advantage of tax laws, they still pay the majority of the federal taxes.  The bottom 1/2 pays nothing.

I do agree with you about the flat tax.  It would be fair to both the rich, and the poor if all were paying it.

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It is helpful to be blind or look the other way.  I suppose Al Capone didn't break any laws.

there is a difference between what has been done and what has been argued.  You said he'd convinced....which means we are talking about what he has argued. 
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He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.

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He is a gangster.  He gets other people to break the law at his wishes being careful that there is a fall guy.

If you are going to make an assertion, you need to be able to back it up.  To avoid that, you can preference your comments with something like "in my opinion". 

We have had several presidents and politicians brought up by "gangsters".  Kennedy comes immediately to mind. 
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2019, 08:56:59 am »
Yes, the Kennedy's were gangsters and John and his brother died like one.  However Trump will not be remembered like the Kennedy's even if the same happens.  The hand full of CIA agents will not be able to protect his family and you can be sure ISIS, the Kurds, and half the world will be gunning for them.
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2019, 09:01:41 am »
>Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

That used to be the case until George W. Bush was in office. 

You are leaving out Trump!  No president has created a bigger deficit or ignored the budget in general which he has no authority to do so.
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Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2019, 09:14:47 am »
 Are you serious?  O'bummer increased the debt more than all the prior presidents put together.Get your numbers right.
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