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A civil war
« on: October 06, 2019, 05:24:20 pm »

                Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928 and died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government's role therein.  (Editor's note)This was the last of his works:

                Civil War: How do civil wars work?

                By Dr. Jack Devere Minzey

                Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.  That's the basic issue here.

                Who decides who runs the country?

                When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country.

                When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

                The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.

                But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election.

                There's a pattern here.

                What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean?

                It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win.

                It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.

                There's no shooting... At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.

                But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

                This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election.

                When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don?t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

                Your very own dictatorship.

                The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is their own.

                According to Democrats, whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate.

                The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do?

                They began trying to run the Country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.

                Every time a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can?t scratch his own back without his say so, that?s a civil war

                Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat?s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the Country.

                If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything.

                He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens, he can fine you for not having health insurance, he can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him.

                He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America's Ambassadors is dragged through the streets and murdered, doing nothing to aid our Ambassador. His power is unlimited.

                He's a dictator.

                But, when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can?t do anything.  He isn?t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.

                A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.   

                A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run.

                Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

                When a Democrat is in the White House, States aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law.

                But when a Republican is in the White House, States can create their own immigration laws.

                Under Obama, a State wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission, But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

                The Constitution has something to say about that.

                Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country.

                If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power of the land.  That is what I call a moving dictatorship.

                Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds, you can't serve in it if you're not a member, and if you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals, you aren't in the club.

                And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.

                Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail.

                They use the tools of power to bring them down.

                That's not a free country.

                It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary Clinton take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive attempts at unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.

                Have no doubt, we?re in a civil war between a conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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Re: A civil war
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2019, 06:37:36 pm »

                Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928 and died 8 April 2018, was the Department Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government's role therein.  (Editor's note)This was the last of his works:

                Civil War: How do civil wars work?

                By Dr. Jack Devere Minzey

                Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.  That's the basic issue here.

                Who decides who runs the country?

                When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country.

                When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

                The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.

                But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election.

                There's a pattern here.

                What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean?

                It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win.

                It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.

                There's no shooting... At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.

                But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

                This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election.

                When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don?t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

                Your very own dictatorship.

                The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is their own.

                According to Democrats, whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate.

                The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do?

                They began trying to run the Country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.

                Every time a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can?t scratch his own back without his say so, that?s a civil war

                Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat?s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the Country.

                If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything.

                He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens, he can fine you for not having health insurance, he can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him.

                He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America's Ambassadors is dragged through the streets and murdered, doing nothing to aid our Ambassador. His power is unlimited.

                He's a dictator.

                But, when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can?t do anything.  He isn?t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.

                A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.   

                A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run.

                Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

                When a Democrat is in the White House, States aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law.

                But when a Republican is in the White House, States can create their own immigration laws.

                Under Obama, a State wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission, But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

                The Constitution has something to say about that.

                Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country.

                If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power of the land.  That is what I call a moving dictatorship.

                Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds, you can't serve in it if you're not a member, and if you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals, you aren't in the club.

                And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.

                Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail.

                They use the tools of power to bring them down.

                That's not a free country.

                It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary Clinton take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive attempts at unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.

                Have no doubt, we?re in a civil war between a conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government
Whilst I appreciate your diatribe, where did you get it from? Was it from one of your sheeple friends or someone more sinister?
iddee, Don't fall for the above propaganda it's falling quickly into the realms of Pravda........but then again you're familiar with that :rolleyes: It looks like its time for the pills and salt, even a straight jacket! as long as you can afford the nurses!  :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2019, 08:02:58 pm »
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You can argue about it all you want. Just remember Hitler wasvoted in because of all the great promises he made the people. Just like the dems are making now.
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2019, 04:41:04 am »
Joseph B. Stokes, Jr. MD
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You can argue about it all you want. Just remember Hitler wasvoted in because of all the great promises he made the people. Just like the dems are making now.
Well there you have it, one only needs to google his name :rolleyes:
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2019, 11:17:06 am »
Joseph B. Stokes, Jr. MD
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You can argue about it all you want. Just remember Hitler wasvoted in because of all the great promises he made the people. Just like the dems are making now.
Well there you have it, one only needs to google his name :rolleyes:
cider TY

Whose name did you Google?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-jack-minzey-modern-civil-war/
And can you give us a recap of what we were supposed to find and conclude?
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2019, 01:21:45 pm »
Joseph B. Stokes, Jr. MD
Orange Park, Florida``

You can argue about it all you want. Just remember Hitler wasvoted in because of all the great promises he made the people. Just like the dems are making now.
Well there you have it, one only needs to google his name :rolleyes:
cider TY

Whose name did you Google?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-jack-minzey-modern-civil-war/
And can you give us a recap of what we were supposed to find and conclude?

Joseph B. Stokes, Jr. MD

http://www.dugit.org/why-i-love-israel-and-stand-with-dugit/
Draw your own conclusions.
I've drawn mine. :smile:
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2019, 02:46:45 pm »
 You just made it look better to me. Here's something that goes right along with it. Although written for Spain, it fits well for England and France, too.

*What really died at Auschwitz? Here's an interesting viewpoint. The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.*

*I walked down the streets in Barcelona and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz . . . We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a group of people who represented culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who made great contributions to the world, and thus changed the world.*

*The contribution of today?s Jewish people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. Look at any donors? board at any symphony, art museum, theatre, art gallery, science centre, etc. You will see many, many, Jewish surnames. These are the people who were burned. Of the 6,000,000 who died, how many would have grown up to be gifted musicians, doctors, artists, philanthropists?*

*And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the diseases of racism and bigotry, Europe opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.*

*They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free money from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.*

*And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs. What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.*

*Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.*

*It is now approximately seventy years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world "never forgets."*
 
*How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Centre 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States? If our Judeo-Christian heritage is offensive to Muslims, they should pack up and move to Iran, Iraq or some other Muslim country.*
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 06:07:15 pm »
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Is this another diatribe from 'Dugit' of did you think it up yourself? Whilst I can agree with a lot of the content, the 'factual content' The rest smacks of 'we are your martyrs' what of the 20m Russians, 10m Europeans and unknown millions of others, what could have become of them? What could they have contributed to human society? No, what happened to the Jews was despicable but you don't find diatribes like this about the others who died in the last war. In other words, it smacks of topping up the guilt complex they think the world owes them. Sorry to sound so blunt but it doe's get to be a little wearing after a while.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2019, 06:30:59 pm »
"" Sorry to sound so blunt but it doe's get to be a little wearing after a while.""

Yep, the truth does seem to be never changing. Isn't something different every month.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 07:28:02 pm »
"" Sorry to sound so blunt but it doe's get to be a little wearing after a while.""

Yep, the truth does seem to be never changing. Isn't something different every month.

Depends which part of the 'truth' you think is never changing? You have still not explained why there are not emails (from whom?)
about the tens of millions of people of other denominations who perished in WWII they are just as dead as any others. It was a deeply dark episode in human history...........but so was WWI again there aren't many emails circulating about that! I wonder why?
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2019, 09:40:55 pm »
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You have still not explained why there are not emails

Maybe because someone or some organization has to care enough to keep it in front of people.  Let's face it, most people are pretty ignorant when it comes to history.  I asked someone the other day "What side did Japan fight on in WW1?".  No clue.  No clue as to why they allied with Germany during WW2.  That same person is very woke and can tell me all kinds of things about "rights" and toxic males though   :cheesy:
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 10:29:43 pm »
It looks to me like this email did just that. Did you miss it?

""It is now approximately seventy years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world "never forgets."*
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2019, 08:17:07 am »
A lot of you made good points. Thanks.

Yes a lot of this stuff is often true.

You can look up that the early leaders and predecessor organization leaders of the EU's EEC (The EEC was the framework that became the EU...and was intended as its skeleton to grow strength on...), these early EEC leaders were Former Nazis and Nazi bankers.

I am not kidding about this. And they have led our country down the path of destruction with bribery and take overs and perverting the leaders of our country with intermixing with them.

One of the great perversions of our country I believe to be false God eliminated definitions of the American Dream to mean worshipping wealth instead of getting reward of prosperity from worshipping God and being faithful.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 05:52:55 pm »
A lot of you made good points. Thanks.

Yes a lot of this stuff is often true.

You can look up that the early leaders and predecessor organization leaders of the EU's EEC (The EEC was the framework that became the EU...and was intended as its skeleton to grow strength on...), these early EEC leaders were Former Nazis and Nazi bankers.

I am not kidding about this. And they have led our country down the path of destruction with bribery and take overs and perverting the leaders of our country with intermixing with them.

One of the great perversions of our country I believe to be false God eliminated definitions of the American Dream to mean worshipping wealth instead of getting reward of prosperity from worshipping God and being faithful.

A rethink I believe was warranted,(by me) otherwise, it would have risked Jims wee retribution. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 10:01:32 pm »
Quoting Anonimo22
''One of the great perversions of our country I believe to be false God eliminated definitions of the American Dream to mean worshipping wealth instead of getting reward of prosperity from worshipping God and being faithful.''



I am not sure that I understand your meaning here. Can you be a little more clearer?
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2019, 05:27:40 am »
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''One of the great perversions of our country I believe to be false God eliminated definitions of the American Dream to mean worshipping wealth instead of getting reward of prosperity from worshipping God and being faithful.''



I am not sure that I understand your meaning here. Can you be a little more clearer?

Ben, I agree! That's why I had to have a rethink on my reply to Anonimo22 it was 'too close to the bone' risking Jim's wee wrath.
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Re: A civil war
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 06:17:49 am »
Quoting Anonimo22
''One of the great perversions of our country I believe to be false God eliminated definitions of the American Dream to mean worshipping wealth instead of getting reward of prosperity from worshipping God and being faithful.''



I am not sure that I understand your meaning here. Can you be a little more clearer?

Ben, I agree! That's why I had to have a rethink on my reply to Anonimo22 it was 'too close to the bone' risking Jim's wee wrath.
cider TY

Well we don't want to experience the wrath of the moderator!!   :wink:  Good morning Cider The Younger!  How are things there in Jolly Old England?  It will be daylight here in a couple hours.  I am up a little early today! I think I will head back to bed and get another hours sleep!  :cheesy: