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Has Trump gone to far?
« on: July 14, 2019, 09:02:17 pm »
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 10:10:06 pm »
Well, we have 4 congresswomen who are communists and nutters to boot.  None of them seem to like the country.  None of them seem to want to do anything to fix what they complain about.  All of them want free everything and open borders.  One of them, among the worst of the 4, was taken into this country as a refugee.  One of them, the worst of them for sure, foul-mouthed and Muslim centric to the exclusion of our allies and our policies. 
Now, I don't care what religion people are when they serve the country, but their job is to serve the country and none of these women are doing anything other than serving themselves and their special interests.  If you disagree with them, you are RACIST. 

So, he's not wrong and it has nothing to do with race or gender.  They'd like to make it about both, but screaming racist just really doesn't work anymore.  We have all gotten over being afraid of that one.  Same with Nazi!.  They have made the words meaningless.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2019, 06:45:02 am »
For one thing, it is a total lie. He told them to go back to their countries, fix the terror and corruption, get those governments right, then come back here and show us how it's done.
That's a lot different than the partial quote the media is spitting out.. which makes it a complete lie.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2019, 11:32:24 pm »
For one thing, it is a total lie. He told them to go back to their countries, fix the terror and corruption, get those governments right, then come back here and show us how it's done.
That's a lot different than the partial quote the media is spitting out.. which makes it a complete lie.

Well that is about par for the course. These impostor Reporters will stop at nothing in order to deceive the public. Shameful but they have no shame. Equivocators...

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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2019, 04:40:40 am »
For one thing, it is a total lie. He told them to go back to their countries, fix the terror and corruption, get those governments right, then come back here and show us how it's done.
That's a lot different than the partial quote the media is spitting out.. which makes it a complete lie.
Just a thought iddee.....which countries were the three who were born in the US to go back to? The other one was twelve when she arrived in the US presumably having not much choice in the matter. What  does this say about other immigrants to the US who could very well be RW and successful? Is he saying they should go back to the countries they came from and not return until they had "sorted them out" No he's not, he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples who believe what they are fed. The 'give me a funny hat so I don't have to think' sheeple. :rolleyes:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 11:22:54 am »
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Just a thought iddee.....which countries were the three who were born in the US to go back to? The other one was twelve when she arrived in the US presumably having not much choice in the matter. What  does this say about other immigrants to the US who could very well be RW and successful? Is he saying they should go back to the countries they came from and not return until they had "sorted them out" No he's not, he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples who believe what they are fed. The 'give me a funny hat so I don't have to think' sheeple. :rolleyes:
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I suspect you are getting the European filtered view of these 4 women.  Should we have left Omar in Somalia?  What might her life be like if we had?  Do you think it would look anything like the life she now has?  Yet she blames the US for everything all over the world and supports terrorists.
Talib hyphenates her ethnicity as Palsetinian-American.  Like most who hyphenate, she seems to have her heart with the ID of the people who are other than American.  She is anti-Semitic, and at best, a true socialist.  I suspect after listening to her, she's actually communist.  Regardless, she seems to hate this country.  Yes, she was born here, but if she IDs so strongly with the Palestinians, I am sure they would love to have her.

AOC does not deserve further comment.  She's just entertaining and keeping the Dems on their heals.  The 4th seems to be a bit of a  hanger-on. 

The comment was not so different than what has been said multiple times over the decades to many people.  If you do not like it here, or you think we are the problem, go where you will like it better.
The suggestion is not racist, or sexist.  BUT, when you have people who can use those accusations, they will.  It's automatic and most of us are done with it.  We know it for what it is, but we just don't care anymore.
Also note that when Trump made the original comments he did not even mention their names. 

Cider, how impressed would you be if every time you and I disagreed I screamed SEXIST at you?   :wink:

would you be happy to have people in your government who seem to hate your country?




« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 06:09:28 pm by kathyp »
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 11:26:48 am »
...he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples...
Or are the congresswomen and the media using racist division for their own purposes?

I, for one, have grown insensitive to the cries from subgroups to promote their own agendas. Get over it. I don't care what physical characteristics you posses, what your sexual orientation is, what religion you practice, what gender you are or were or identify with or what region of the globe your ancestors came from. I find it insulting that right wing North Americans are labeled as racists. That is racist, is it not?

I too look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Playing the straw man race card reveals the character flaws of those congresswomen looking for publicity and the media looking for advertising dollars.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2019, 12:18:50 pm »
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I too look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Playing the straw man race card reveals the character flaws of those congresswomen looking for publicity and the media looking for advertising dollars.

Bravo! 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2019, 01:12:35 pm »
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Just a thought iddee.....which countries were the three who were born in the US to go back to? The other one was twelve when she arrived in the US presumably having not much choice in the matter. What  does this say about other immigrants to the US who could very well be RW and successful? Is he saying they should go back to the countries they came from and not return until they had "sorted them out" No he's not, he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples who believe what they are fed. The 'give me a funny hat so I don't have to think' sheeple. :rolleyes:
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I suspect you are getting the European filtered view of these 4 women.  Should we have left Omar in Somalia?  What might her life be like if we had?  Do you think it would look anything like the life she now has?  Yet she blames the US for everything all over the world and supports terrorists.
Talib hyphenates her ethnicity as Palsetinian-American.  Like most who hyphenate, she seems to have her heart with the ID of the people who are other than American.  She is anti-Semitic, and at best, a true socialist.  I suspect after listening to her, she's actually communist.  Regardless, she seems to hate this country.  Yes, she was born here, but if she IDs so strongly with the Palestinians, I am sure they would love to have her.

AOC does not deserve further comment.  She's just entertaining and keeping the Dems on their heals.  The 4th seems to be a bit of a  hanger-on. 

The comment was not so different than what has been said multiple times over the decades to may people.  If you do not like it here, or you think we are the problem, go where you will like it better.
The suggestion is not racist, or sexist.  BUT, when you have people who can use those accusations, they will.  It's automatic and most of us are done with it.  We know it for what it is, but we just don't care anymore.
Also note that when Trump made the original comments he did not even mention their names. 

Cider, how impressed would you be if every time you and I disagreed I screamed SEXIST at you?   :wink:

would you be happy to have people in your government who seem to hate your country?
I suspect you are getting the European filtered view of these 4 women. 

Do you think I get the "European filtered view" (what ever that is) on here? :rolleyes: The internet is awash with various opinions of the four and since G&T's diatribe even more so. Which ever way you look at it he is stoking up the RW sheeple for 2020 and they cannot see it. Give them a hat or two and they are  happy especially if they come with a few abbreviations on the front.

cider would you be happy to have people in your government who seem to hate your country? 

Obviously no I think you knew that was a no brainer :smile:

On the other hand I would not expect the Queen to make sexist, racist remarks about them and tell them to get back to their own? country.
And I'm darn (I'll have to fix the holes in my socks!) sure she did not go around bragging of groping men's genitals. But then again she is the head of state.
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« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 01:25:33 pm by cidersabuzzin »
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2019, 01:37:08 pm »
...he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples...
Or are the congresswomen and the media using racist division for their own purposes?

I, for one, have grown insensitive to the cries from subgroups to promote their own agendas. Get over it. I don't care what physical characteristics you posses, what your sexual orientation is, what religion you practice, what gender you are or were or identify with or what region of the globe your ancestors came from. I find it insulting that right wing North Americans are labeled as racists. That is racist, is it not?

I too look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Playing the straw man race card reveals the character flaws of those congresswomen looking for publicity and the media looking for advertising dollars.
Give the man another hat! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :wink:
What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2019, 01:49:58 pm »
...he is just using racist division to enhance his credentials with the gullible RW sheeples...
Or are the congresswomen and the media using racist division for their own purposes?

I, for one, have grown insensitive to the cries from subgroups to promote their own agendas. Get over it. I don't care what physical characteristics you posses, what your sexual orientation is, what religion you practice, what gender you are or were or identify with or what region of the globe your ancestors came from. I find it insulting that right wing North Americans are labeled as racists. That is racist, is it not?

I too look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.  Playing the straw man race card reveals the character flaws of those congresswomen looking for publicity and the media looking for advertising dollars.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2019, 01:59:36 pm »

Give the man another hat! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :wink:

I do not understand the meaning of your reply as it relates to my comment.

Please clarify what you are trying to communicate.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2019, 02:46:35 pm »

Give the man another hat! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :wink:

I do not understand the meaning of your reply as it relates to my comment.

Please clarify what you are trying to communicate.
It was meant as a 'quip' :grin: see post 8  :cheesy: :wink:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2019, 02:56:47 pm »
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On the other hand I would not expect the Queen to make sexist, racist remarks about them and tell them to get back to their own? country.
And I'm darn (I'll have to fix the holes in my socks!) sure she did not go around bragging of groping men's genitals. But then again she is the head of state.
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Your queen acts according to the way she was raised and the environment she has been in all of her life.  Trump does the same.  We already had someone who thought he was acting like a king.  He was a disaster.  I'll take the NY scrapper.

Look, the person I would have chosen as the Republican nominee was a quiet-spoken, very intelligent, conservative. People complained he was cold and intellectual.   He did not win over Trump.  What Trump was, was known when he won the nomination and the presidency.  If you expect shock now, you are a couple of years to late.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2019, 03:15:57 pm »
I have no doubt that Trump would have said the same thing if 2 had been Caucasian and 2 were albino. He said what he said because of their actions,and the conditions their parents or grandparents left to come here,not their color.. Race was not a factor at all. 

You, the dems, and the media are much more racist, insinuating all the corrupt terrorist governmants are people of color.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 03:48:30 pm »

Give the man another hat! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :wink:

I do not understand the meaning of your reply as it relates to my comment.

Please clarify what you are trying to communicate.
It was meant as a 'quip' :grin: see post 8  :cheesy: :wink:
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For future reference, just stick to the facts of the discussion at hand. Do not make it personal. Keep your quips to your inner circle.

You do not know me, what I think nor what I feel about the behavior of the president.


Edited to add.
In post 8, Kathy appears to agree with what I said. Your prior post seems to somehow conclude what I think. Again, I do not understand the logic of your latest reply.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2019, 04:01:58 pm »
I have no doubt that Trump would have said the same thing if 2 had been Caucasian and 2 were albino. He said what he said because of their actions,and the conditions their parents or grandparents left to come here,not their color.. Race was not a factor at all. 

You, the dems, and the media are much more racist, insinuating all the corrupt terrorist governmants are people of color.

You, the dems, and the media are much more racist, insinuating all the corrupt terrorist governmants are people of color.

??????????and more?????????.................iddee I think you have managed to turn it on its head. Go away to a dark corner take off your maga hat and think about it. When you have, call the nurse for some pills and salt. :cheesy: :wink:
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At least I must admit in this instance you don't have your head stuck where the Sun don't shine. Unlike some. :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2019, 05:06:54 pm »
UH-OH. Cider saw the truth and his head exploded.   :shocked:

Dang, the truth hurts, don't it, Cider?   :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2019, 05:40:23 pm »
UH-OH. Cider saw the truth and his head exploded.   :shocked:

Dang, the truth hurts, don't it, Cider?   :cheesy: :cheesy:
Noooooo iddee not in that context. I was referring to a very very recent somewhat stilted post :cheesy: (I think you know what I mean) :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :wink:
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PS Nothing to do with your posts on this thread!
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 11:51:51 am »
Yes, Trump has gone too far.   We were enjoying the show while Pelosi and AOC and the other congress critters involved in this blow-up were busy in-fighting and dividing the Demorat party, over Pelosi's own "racist" comments about those 4.  then along comes the Big Blowhard and gives the 'Rats a reason to band together instead of tearing themselves apart. 
Another foolish move for Trump.
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