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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2019, 07:56:11 pm »
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The BBC is regarded as the most trusted News organisation in the world

Lol.  As is CNN.  Both are left-wing and government-funded.  Kinda like PBS in this country.  I have no doubt that many trust it, as they do CNN, but that does not change their slant.  BBC may not be run by the government directly, but the majority of it's governing board is government-appointed. 

Do you trust the government to provided accurate news? 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2019, 08:13:40 pm »
Could I imagine that for Fox news, CNN, NBC, CBS, ESPN, or BBC?


NOOOOOOOOOO
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2019, 08:20:34 pm »
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The BBC is regarded as the most trusted News organisation in the world

Lol.  As is CNN.  Both are left-wing and government-funded.  Kinda like PBS in this country.  I have no doubt that many trust it, as they do CNN, but that does not change their slant.  BBC may not be run by the government directly, but the majority of it's governing board is government-appointed. 

Do you trust the government to provided accurate news?
I think i would trust the BBC more than I would trust any government news agency, you have stayed in the UK and should know that all political parties are wary of BBC reporting. Could the Dems or Reps say the same? of your news agencies?
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2019, 08:35:55 pm »
Could I imagine that for Fox news, CNN, NBC, CBS, ESPN, or BBC?


NOOOOOOOOOO
What a nihilistic outlook on what you have left. :rolleyes:
I will try to revive you occasionally but I don't hold out much hope. It's all a matter of perception,  Much better to stay in the yard and talk to the bees, of course after you have taken the pills and salt :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2019, 08:51:58 pm »
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The BBC is regarded as the most trusted News organisation in the world

Lol.  As is CNN.  Both are left-wing and government-funded.  Kinda like PBS in this country.  I have no doubt that many trust it, as they do CNN, but that does not change their slant.  BBC may not be run by the government directly, but the majority of it's governing board is government-appointed. 

Do you trust the government to provided accurate news?
As has been said on various websites, the perception of socialist/leftwing is different between the RW Republican ideology and normal society. In Europe the US leftwing would be considered more centrist :smile: So you can see why we are not as exercised as you may be. :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2019, 09:03:33 pm »
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The BBC is regarded as the most trusted News organisation in the world

Lol.  As is CNN.  Both are left-wing and government-funded.  Kinda like PBS in this country.  I have no doubt that many trust it, as they do CNN, but that does not change their slant.  BBC may not be run by the government directly, but the majority of it's governing board is government-appointed. 

Do you trust the government to provided accurate news?
Who do you trust?
Or do you rely on 'oh someone sent me this,' the alternative being the web, notorious for fake news. a la Breitbart News, Fox News etc, of similar ilk.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2019, 01:58:45 am »
Who do you trust?
D) None of the above. Guarded skepticism, and patience for the truth to reveal itself after the fury has died down. They are in the entertainment / advertising business.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2019, 06:32:05 am »
You may be right there, Cider.Here is a quote from one of your links.

""So those who regularly watched the BBC, Fox News and PBS tended to trust them ? a lot.""

As for the rest, I don't put too much faith in a site that lists the New York times as second, nor one that purports snopes as being center.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2019, 09:37:55 am »
You may be right there, Cider.Here is a quote from one of your links.

""So those who regularly watched the BBC, Fox News and PBS tended to trust them ? a lot.""

As for the rest, I don't put too much faith in a site that lists the New York times as second, nor one that purports snopes as being center.
iddee

The British Broadcasting Corporation is the largest broadcaster in the world. The British government funds the organization and so it is not beholden to corporate interests. BBC has a history of over 90 years with a well-earned reputation for accurate, unbiased reporting. AllSides classifies it as a center news source?meaning if you want balance, it?s one of the best news sites.

iddee

Despite being center, U.S. citizens may find that ?center? in the U.K. is notably to the left of what they?re used to.

The BBC?s reputation, however, is a strong one. It was one of the most highly rated in the Pew Research Center?s 2014 trustworthiness study, with all groups except the consistently conservative rating is as more trusted than distrusted. And even that group was relatively neutral about it.

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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2019, 12:37:10 pm »
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I think i would trust the BBC more than I would trust any government news agency, you have stayed in the UK and should know that all political parties are wary of BBC reporting. Could the Dems or Reps say the same? of your news agencies?

I have a problem with anyone, of any ideology, using one source for info.  Take CNN as an example:  At one point they were our only go-to news site.  When they started, they were not horrible.  Understanding that almost all journalists in this country lean left, they managed to be pretty balanced.  They at least tried to do some real reporting even if it had a slant.
This is no longer true.  While a lot of people still trust them, they are not to be trusted.  They have become advocates rather than a news source.
If they are the only place used for info the info will be one sided and often inaccurate.

I get that the BBC is an old, venerable, and trusted site, but if it is the source you use for info you are not getting the full story.  They probably do not make as many mistakes as CNN does, but there is often the sin of omission.

There are a couple of shows on FOX that I really like because they make an effort to show all sides of a story, but even there, I do not trust only FOX shows to get me all the info.  Side A and B may be covered, but side C gets missed.  You have to go look for side C.

CNN international is spewed all over the world and it sucks.  It, unfortunately, is where a lot of people get their info about what is going on in the US.  Because I know this, I understand the slanted view many other countries have of the US. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2019, 12:39:39 pm »
Oh, and I have BBC news and watch it.  It is a good place to get info about what is going on in the rest of the world because our news often gets caught up in minutia here and does not cover stuff like you ships being seized.  Believe it or not, it has barely been mentioned here on the MSM sites.
I also double-check what to report on international issues to the extent that I can.   
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2019, 01:05:35 pm »
Oh, and I have BBC news and watch it.  It is a good place to get info about what is going on in the rest of the world because our news often gets caught up in minutia here and does not cover stuff like you ships being seized.  Believe it or not, it has barely been mentioned here on the MSM sites.
I also double-check what to report on international issues to the extent that I can.
I agree and I too surf different news agencies I particularly like Channel 4 News (British) which seems reasonably balanced. I agree re TV News in the US when visiting it seems very parochial as though nothing happens beyond your shores. I suppose a downside to being such a large country :grin: The thing I like about the BBC is; all political parties, large businesses and powerful individuals complain all the time. Especially about their investigatory reporting, so they must be doing something right. :wink: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2019, 06:54:18 pm »
Cider, what part of my quote did you not understand??

"""You may be right there, Cider"""
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2019, 04:00:12 am »
Cider, what part of my quote did you not understand??

"""You may be right there, Cider"""
We shall have to stop this love-in :cheesy: it removes all the fun :wink: Being the inveterate cynic I must have missed that there was just  the nuance of an agreement from you. Thanks, grovel grovel :cheesy:
You happy now? :wink:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2019, 08:05:55 am »
Cider, what part of my quote did you not understand??

"""You may be right there, Cider"""
We shall have to stop this love-in :cheesy: it removes all the fun :wink: Being the inveterate cynic I must have missed that there was just  the nuance of an agreement from you. Thanks, grovel grovel :cheesy:
You happy now? :wink:
cider the elder
This will probably stop the 'Love in'
I see DT has been subpoenaed to provide accurate translations of phone calls he had with Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky re Joe Biden. The net is closing in. :wink:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2019, 08:11:00 am »
The dems wouldn't recognize accurate if it smacked them in the face.

Like Rubio said, Trump is playing the media like a fiddle, and they are falling right in step.
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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2019, 08:17:12 am »
The dems wouldn't recognize accurate if it smacked them in the face.

Like Rubio said, Trump is playing the media like a fiddle, and they are falling right in step.
Well........you know what happened to the fiddler who watched Rome burn :grin:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2019, 08:25:56 am »
I know what happened to Rome.  :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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Re: Has Trump gone to far?
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2019, 09:14:40 am »
""The BBC is regarded as the most trusted News organisation in the world :happy: :happy: :happy:
cider""

References, please. Like links to statics, maybe?

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-5-world-news-websites-guaranteed-free-censorship/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-most-trusted-tv-news-brand-in-the-us-isnt-even-american-2018-07-31
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/trust-news-sites/
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/four-out-of-the-ten-most-trusted-news-sources-in-america-are-british-according-to-new-study/
https://www.lifewire.com/top-sources-for-finding-world-news-online-3481981

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LOL do you think the provided references will sway his mind?
If someone truly wanted to know if Trump was doing a good job or for that matter, good for the country they would only need to listen to the last 4 surviving presidents who did the job.  No other references needed or news organizations.
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