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Advantech nucs
« on: July 05, 2019, 03:38:21 pm »
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2019, 04:37:09 pm »
They look good!
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2019, 04:46:19 pm »
Thanks

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2019, 06:50:48 pm »
Looks good, what do you figure it cost for 12 of them?
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2019, 08:00:08 pm »
About 12-15 dollars. If you just count the wood I?m at 8.00 then the #8 cloth for the bottoms. But can get a lot of bottoms from a roll.

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 09:12:17 pm »
$8.00. I thought that Advantech was real expensive. Isn?t that the one that is not affected by weather.
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2019, 11:17:44 pm »
I pay 35 a sheet so it is 8.75 a nuc. I get 4 from the sheet  Plus nails glue and screen  puts it up . But I enjoy the time . Got to paint them too soo have to find some left over paint or mark down .  Oh didn?t answer the weather question . I had some sitting in water and not swell, I built 4 last year and no problem with them yet. I redid a shed with it and it last.

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 12:11:30 am »
Ahah. I got the impression that was the total cost for all. Sounds about right. Thanks.
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2019, 08:56:31 am »
Jtmedic. I have not understood this issue. If the advantech is so good, and doesn't even swell while sitting in water, why bother to paint them?

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2019, 03:49:13 pm »
I Am painting to keep the wife happy. Pulse added protection.

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 06:47:13 am »
Jtmedic. I have not understood this issue. If the advantech is so good, and doesn't even swell while sitting in water, why bother to paint them?

What JC said is true. This stuff is suppose to be the trick, but the following is just my my opinion, once you cut the stuff,  leaving the newly cut edges exposed without the outside treatment which is placed on the original sheet and it?s edges from the manufacturer, I am thinking it is a good Idea to paint, at least the edges generously. This may not be necessary but as the old saying, an ounce of prevention.  advantec, diamond, and the newer gorilla glue flooring is made specifically for sub flooring and has an impressive testing performance track record. I noticed the gorilla went up from 25 to 28 a sheet at my local Home Depot.  So far, I have only used advantec but fully intend to try the gorilla 🦍 which is made in my neighboring state of Alabama for comparison. 
I will add,, Good job on the nucs. So far I have only used the advantec as tops and bottoms  for the no warpage advantage and I love the stuff. It is made with a polyurethane glue, use a good mask when cutting.
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 12:19:51 pm »
What thickness of this advantech sheet should be used for making your nucs and bait boxes? 3/4 inch? 5/8? And are you using it for your hives also? I assume the gorilla glue does add toxicity to the hive environment.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 12:25:37 pm »
What thickness of this advantech sheet should be used for making your nucs and bait boxes? 3/4 inch? 5/8? And are you using it for your hives also? I assume the gorilla glue does add toxicity to the hive environment.

As far as the gorilla glue is concerned, I had the same question so I looked it up and gorilla is also polyurethane based. So I concluded that All three brands must be similar in that respect. I use 22/33 or 3/4 for my hive tops and bottoms.
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2019, 03:10:29 pm »
This is an example of the legacy brand. (Gorilla glue) one minute video. All three brands have basically the same warranty .
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2019, 05:25:36 pm »
Here is a link for where I got the dimensions for them. I didn?t make the feeders and made my own screen bottom boards from-RBCofficer
https://www.beesource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45307&d=1546650575
https://www.beesource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45305&d=1546650573
https://www.beesource.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45303&d=1546650570
What thickness of this advantech sheet should be used for making your nucs and bait boxes? 3/4 inch? 5/8? And are you using it for your hives also? I assume the gorilla glue does add toxicity to the hive environment.
  22/32 almost 3/4
Jtmedic. I have not understood this issue. If the advantech is so good, and doesn't even swell while sitting in water, why bother to paint them?

What JC said is true. This stuff is suppose to be the trick, but the following is just my my opinion, once you cut the stuff,  leaving the newly cut edges exposed without the outside treatment which is placed on the original sheet and it?s edges from the manufacturer, I am thinking it is a good Idea to paint, at least the edges generously. This may not be necessary but as the old saying, an ounce of prevention.  advantec, diamond, and the newer gorilla glue flooring is made specifically for sub flooring and has an impressive testing performance track record. I noticed the gorilla went up from 25 to 28 a sheet at my local Home Depot.  So far, I have only used advantec but fully intend to try the gorilla 🦍 which is made in my neighboring state of Alabama for comparison. 
I will add,, Good job on the nucs. So far I have only used the advantec as tops and bottoms  for the no warpage advantage and I love the stuff. It is made with a polyurethane glue, use a good mask when cutting.
I caulk the cut and the nail holes then paint for added protections

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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2019, 06:42:20 pm »
Quote JC

I caulk the cut and the nail holes then paint for added protections.

Even better !!
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Re: Advantech nucs
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2019, 03:54:21 pm »
Is this material heavier than plywood?

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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2019, 10:23:13 pm »
It is 3/4 so a little

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2019, 01:44:31 am »
Is this material heavier than plywood?

I for one, can't tell a noticeable difference in it from the last time that I used plywood. But honestly I did not pick up the plywood which was next to it and compare when I purchased the advantech. I agree with JTC probably a little.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2020, 10:29:42 pm »
I have and update of this topic. With work slow and time enough to tie up loose ends. I made a little trip to my local Home Depot. Though I have in the past used advantech flooring for my tops and bottoms I decided to go with what Home Depot offers. (LP Legacy Gorilla Glue Technology), as a competitor of Advantech sold by Lowes. The LP Legacy also has a lifetime warranty and is a few dollars cheaper though the price wasn't my concern. I have been wanting to try this stuff for a while just for comparison though I am happy with advantech. I bought enough to make 20 tops and bottoms for full 10 frame hives, plus a few for 5 frame nucs. It is heavy!

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2020, 11:40:38 pm »
Looking forward to see how they work

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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2020, 01:11:55 am »
Looking forward to see how they work

Same here. Jtc, I approached this a little different that what we discussed in the past posts. What I did is after I made the cuts, I coated all cut edges with Titebond. Just simply laid a bead of glue down the fresh cut edges and spread it evenly over this cut. I noticed that looking closely, this is what the factory did, (coated their edges with what I assume is glue, be it gorilla glue). Now when I paint them I have the assurance that these tops and bottoms will be completely sealed BEFORE paint. (Again, looking closely, I can what I think is a coat of glue on the entire surface). What do you think of this?
Am I wasting time? I am thinking what's to lose but a little glue? I buy Titebond by the gallon anyway. lol adding to my despenser when needed. But a little glue goes a long way.

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 10:56:24 pm »
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I dont think glueing the ends is a waist. I did it also. And I added these on bottom so they had a nice tight fit when stacked in 5 over 5

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2020, 06:42:22 am »
What I am about to say is a theory, I am thinking this stuff, LP Legacy, might be better than Advantech. The reason I am saying this is when I finished painting these tops and bottoms with three coats of semi-gloss paint, I can actually see the press marks that the press made when this product was formed. That means the force of pounds of pressure per square inch must have been tremendous! With this type of product, that is just what is needed. We will see by the test of time! In the mean, it is nice to have tops and bottoms that do not warp!

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2020, 08:52:11 am »
When hearing about the AdvanTech product I contacted the MFG with a quick email. I asked about gluing, painting, and raw edge treatment. This was their official response:

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Thank you for your inquiry. When using a binding adhesive we recommend using a polyurethane or solvent-based adhesive. Ensure all adhesive manufacturer preparation and curing requirements are followed. When applying a coating to the panels use an oil-based paint, primer or stain. Stay way from latex or water-based coatings.

All traditional joinery that can be done with plywood can be done with the  AdvanTech product line. There are no requirements for sealing cut edges of the panels.

I hope that helps. In my area I can only get the thick T&G sub-flooring stuff. I would be much more apt to give it a try if I could get it in something closer to 1/2 or 5/8 but I think there is only this 22/32" maybe? 

Do you try to incorporate the T&G when using it? Or simply cut it off as waste? I thought ti might be interesting if it could somehow still be incorporated so that if you stacked boxes they might integrate a little to make the less tippy :)

I was inspired, however, when I saw this:
http://georgiabees.blogspot.com/2015/06/advantech-hive-bodies-honey-supers-8.html

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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2020, 01:21:36 pm »
When hearing about the AdvanTech product I contacted the MFG with a quick email. I asked about gluing, painting, and raw edge treatment. This was their official response:

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Thank you for your inquiry. When using a binding adhesive we recommend using a polyurethane or solvent-based adhesive. Ensure all adhesive manufacturer preparation and curing requirements are followed. When applying a coating to the panels use an oil-based paint, primer or stain. Stay way from latex or water-based coatings.

All traditional joinery that can be done with plywood can be done with the  AdvanTech product line. There are no requirements for sealing cut edges of the panels.

I hope that helps. In my area I can only get the thick T&G sub-flooring stuff. I would be much more apt to give it a try if I could get it in something closer to 1/2 or 5/8 but I think there is only this 22/32" maybe? 

Do you try to incorporate the T&G when using it? Or simply cut it off as waste? I thought ti might be interesting if it could somehow still be incorporated so that if you stacked boxes they might integrate a little to make the less tippy :)

I was inspired, however, when I saw this:
http://georgiabees.blogspot.com/2015/06/advantech-hive-bodies-honey-supers-8.html

Just curious, AdvanTech and Legacy are designed for indoor use, (Sub Flooring). Did you inform them that you would be using their product outdoors and for beekeeping purposes? I only use these products for tops and bottoms. Weight consideration for one. I use regular boards for hive bodies for my 5 frame nucs, just as when building 10 frame deeps. The occasional need to add a top box on a 5 framer converting it into a double 5 makes easy conversion. My 2 frame deep mating nucs are built with separate tops and bottoms also. Tops and bottoms are portable and interchangeable with easy cleaning if needed. Works good for me.

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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2020, 02:55:29 pm »
I specifically told them "I am intending to go off label. I will be using this to make stuff that will be outdoors all the time. It may have partial ground contact. I am not sure if I told them that bees were involved, but I was adamant that the full brunt of all the weather would be.

Have you seen the commercial for the other product? The one they sell at HD? They carried it out to a water fall, and pretty much sunk it for hours. Here is their ad. That is not advantech it is the other one. But they are the competitor.

Much more impressive than the Advantech advertisement

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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2020, 04:42:07 pm »
> Have you seen the commercial for the other product? The one they sell at HD? They carried it out to a water fall, and
   pretty much sunk it for hours. Here is their ad.

Yes, I posted that very same video, on this very same topic, in reply 13. However, the edges were still sealed from the factory. (Before Cutting, and before exposure). I noticed when cut, the edges do not appear to be sealed. Perhaps the oil base paint will take care of any concerns. One thing is for sure a thin coat of a good exterior glue will insure a good seal, even before painting on the exposed cut edges.
 
You may want to go back and read this entire thread if you have yet to do so. There are some good positive and interesting thoughts found here within this topic. I appreciate you contacting the factory and sharing your answer. It is also good to be totally clear with the (questions) presented to the factory, as well as the answers to those questions from the factory. Thank you so much for your enthusiasm. Glad to have you here.   
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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2020, 11:22:42 pm »
Getting used to the interface here, went back and caught up. I guess I got to the thread part way in. My bad!

It is an intriguing product. I don't see where I can get it in 19/32 only 23/32. Seems like it would make for a really heavy hive. I will have to get a piece and perhaps make some nucs or something. I just did some swarm traps from CDX so I think i could figure out nucs. Although seems most plans for nucs assume you want the floor attached and aren't planning on stacking. Although I think I can just make some with floors and some that are plain old 9 5/8" so they can stack. Or maybe make them all stackable but have some way to attach a floor with bottom board capabilities... Oh the possibilities. :)

There was a time when I had access to marine ply and MDO scraps. I miss those days :)