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Offline Ben Framed

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2019, 07:45:12 pm »
Yes I agree Alan

Help my ministry , I need another jet plane. Mugs :cheesy:

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Let me modify, yes I do agree but not completely, I think the crooked TV Evangelist are the most low down using Gods good and mercy for their own greed. The rest of us are as filthy rags and debatable from there. Now I feel better.  😁😁😁

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2019, 08:18:10 pm »
Cider - in the interest of good friendship, I posted my televangelist story over on your other thread. ... since that's where I figured it belonged ... enjoy!  :grin:
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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2019, 11:23:49 am »
>Impeachment is not possible because the republicans have decided to collude with Trump to save their party.

Actually it's not possible because the President has not been accused of anything that is a "high crime".  You need to charge the President with something and they don't have something to charge him with.  You can't impeach a President because you don't like him.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2019, 12:07:36 am »

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Jim socialism is the only way out of a crash that was created by capitalism.  Capitalism breeds greed.

I'll read through the rest of this later, but this is complete BS.  Capitalism depends on someone meeting a need or want at a price and condition the consumer is willing to pay.  It is about choice.  If someone wants to make money in a capitalist system they have to serve the consumer.

socialism does not care what people want or need, it simply takes and gives what it think people should have. 

Capitalism is the best way to recover an economy.  No system is immune from the ups and downs of any economy, any time.  Communist and socialist countries suffered during the great depression, but had no way to recover because they had no way to grow their own economies.  If FDR had left things alone instead of manipulating the economy we would have recovered more quickly.  We recovered in spite of him, not because of him.
Same thing with what Obama did in the recession.  Left alone, a capitalist economy will find the bottom and rebound more quickly because it meets the demands of the consumer one way or another.  Government can't do that and in the attempt to "help" it interferes with recovery. 

Ace, I'm sure I'll find more to correct as I read through, but I thought I'd start with this   :cheesy:


They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2019, 12:15:15 am »
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While I went to a parochial school for the first 9 years of my formal education they did teach our government was set up as separate from church and state.  The main reason for coming to America was to be free from religious rule and persecution.  It is clear to me that some people in this country want to change that.

You kinda got it, but kinda not.  While we do have a civil form of government, our founding principles are Judeo-Christian and if you read the founders, even the most non-religious of them talk about God/creator, etc. and acknowledge that the freedoms they expected for American were from the creator and not from man.  There was a reason for that.  What the creator gives can't be taken.  What man gives, can be taken.

The current understanding of the seperation of church and state was certainly not the understanding that the founders had.  They did not want a theocracy, and they did not want an all-powerful State church, but they interwove their beliefs into everything they said and did.  The separation ruling was an intentional misrepresentation of one 1/2 of one correspondence, written by one person.   
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2019, 08:49:35 am »
Yeah, they also said all men are equal and women are servants and slaves are less then humans.  They all came to either avoid religious persecution or take advantage of those escaping.  They mowed down Indian nations who had more right to the land then we did.  Sure sounds like God loving people to me. :rolleyes:
They were rich and did what rich people do.
Contrary to what some people think it is not our founding fathers that made us great or our constitution.  It is the fact that we are made up of all nations and had to cooperate early on to survive.  Putin knows that if he can break down the cooperation our country will not be great.  He is doing a good job.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2019, 10:03:59 am »
No Ace,
If it were not for our Constitution we would just bee another poor 3rd world country run by a corrupt government. Every time our government gets corrupt, it is our Constitution that helps bring us back. Just as is doing right now after the previous 8 years of corruption.
We need to put the people involved with that corruption in jail so that others don?t think they can also be above the law.
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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2019, 11:52:28 am »
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Yeah, they also said all men are equal and women are servants and slaves are less then humans.  They all came to either avoid religious persecution or take advantage of those escaping.  They mowed down Indian nations who had more right to the land then we did.  Sure sounds like God loving people to me. :rolleyes:
They were rich and did what rich people do.
Contrary to what some people think it is not our founding fathers that made us great or our constitution.  It is the fact that we are made up of all nations and had to cooperate early on to survive.  Putin knows that if he can break down the cooperation our country will not be great.  He is doing a good job.

Slavery and conquest have been the norm throughout history, and they still are in many places.  Societies change what they consider right and wrong on a regular basis, not always for the better.  This is also the history of the world.

So you think you could scoop up people and put them together and the natural outcome would be cooperation and the existence of a country like America?  Lol.  That was my laugh of the day.  Thanks.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2019, 12:29:04 pm »
So glad to have you back posting Kathy, you common scene answers are a breath of fresh air!

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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2019, 04:55:18 pm »
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I must admit I am indifferent to the book you call the bible, which was created when most people were illiterate and had to rely on a select few who give them their interpretation of the stories it contains. I suppose you could say "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king" :smile:
But I don't decry religion, I attended the funeral of a lifelong friend on Friday and willingly took part, it was at a Catholic church and I quite enjoyed the 'service' conducted by a priest. No happy clappy guitar twanging, just a dignified send off.   So I'm not totally dismissive of religion, only when it starts to preach at me, I prefer to make my own mind up! :cheesy:     
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« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2019, 05:05:23 pm »
Quoting Van
Cider, sorry you lost a life long friend.  That is always sad.
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I am sorry for your loss also Cider.
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« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2019, 07:46:12 pm »
Much appreciated of you both, it was a hard couple of days, for my wife and I, forty three years seems a lifetime. :cry:
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« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2019, 11:13:08 am »
So you think you could scoop up people and put them together and the natural outcome would be cooperation and the existence of a country like America?

Yes I do when their existence depends on it.  What the heck do you think the armed forces are?  Brothers and sisters?
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« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2019, 12:23:32 pm »
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Yes I do when their existence depends on it.  What the heck do you think the armed forces are?  Brothers and sisters?

Lol.  You do realize that in the military we have a lot of rules (laws) that force conformity?

What you are talking about is tribes.  I'll give you this though, a large part of the reason for states and state sovereignty is that it was recognized that people would want to band together to create the society that worked best for them.  One overpowering government can not, and should not, rule the entire population WITHIN the bounds of the very few dictates of the constitution.  The constitution was designed to restrain government not people.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2019, 04:21:21 pm »
By your own words the military, which is federal makes rules and forces conformity.  Why does that work?  Isn't the military just another form of government?  Many governments are run by the military.  Are they stable?  I will go back to what I said.  If your existence depends on getting along with what you perceive to be your enemy then you will.
I especially like the rule in the military, "Don't ask, don't tell".
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« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2019, 04:28:11 pm »
I'll give you this though, a large part of the reason for states and state sovereignty is that it was recognized that people would want to band together to create the society that worked best for them.

In the horse and buggy days there might have been some differences in society from state to state.  Today with jet planes and the internet a foreigner couldn't tell us apart except for some slight accent in speech.
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« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2019, 04:59:18 pm »
By your own words the military, which is federal makes rules and forces conformity.  Why does that work?  Isn't the military just another form of government?  Many governments are run by the military.  Are they stable?  I will go back to what I said.  If your existence depends on getting along with what you perceive to be your enemy then you will.
I especially like the rule in the military, "Don't ask, don't tell".

 If your existence depends on getting along with what you perceive to be your enemy then you will.

That  is what France, Poland, Belgium, and many other countries, and most the rest of the world thought also, back before WW2. After all wasn?t  WW1 intended to be , and slated as ?the war to end all wars.?  Problem was Hitler did not see where he should play nice and fair. Now I feel certain that if Germany would have won the war, Mr Hitler would have made sure by this military force that everyone (whom was left alive), would have gotten along just fine, or reaped the consequences.  By force of course.  Is this the kind of government  that you would prefer?
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« Reply #57 on: June 05, 2019, 06:07:32 pm »
>Today with jet planes and the internet a foreigner couldn't tell us apart except for some slight accent in speech.

You haven't spent much time in Nebraska.  Here's the sign at the local bar:
https://www.safetysign.com/products/9500/firearms-permitted-on-these-premises-sign?s=st1zskc92tzpp19l9zbp1d0

We are quite different from some other states... and quite like others...
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« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2019, 06:23:01 pm »
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By your own words the military, which is federal makes rules and forces conformity.

I am not sure of your point.  I thought you were making a case for this happening naturally because people would need/want to work together.  No underlying structure needed. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2019, 07:16:46 pm »
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