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Offline Ben Framed

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2019, 01:07:27 pm »
Phillip - very well said.

Cider - you [seem to] specialize in finding the exception to the norm. From beekeeping to politics - there are always "norms" and always exceptions to them. There a good Christian people in this country - and there are people who pretend to be Good Christians for the sake of a dollar, and/or power. The later are not the norm.
Phillip - very well said.

Cider - you [seem to] specialize in finding the exception to the norm. From beekeeping to politics - there are always "norms" and always exceptions to them. There a good Christian people in this country - and there are people who pretend to be Good Christians for the sake of a dollar, and/or power. The later are not the norm.

Very true Alan. To answer your question Cider, I agree with you and Iddee to a certain extent as per the one you described, therefore allowing me to also agree with Alan. Unfortunately in this land of sorrow and suffering, due to the curse of sin, there are just and unjust men living side by side. God will, in his day of judgement separate his sheep 🐑  from the goats 🐐. When our Lord and Savior was here with us he warned us of such wolves in sheep clothing.

Matthew 7:15 King James Version
15 Beware of false prophets, t come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Philippians 2:9-11 King James Version
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


I was a little late proof reading, I noticed a word which was wrong that mattered. I have now corrected.
Originally I agree with you and Iddee to a certain extent as per the one you described, therefore SLOWING me to also agree with Alan.  Amazing how one word can change the meaning of what was intended.
Corrected
I agree with you and Iddee to a certain extent as per the one you described, therefore ALLOWING me to also agree with Alan. Sorry Alan for the misprint. Phillip
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2019, 04:06:28 pm »
Coolbees needs, I think to be a little more as your non-de-plume suggests. I only comment on things that interest me, leaving the religious nuts to one side it seemed inconceivable that nothing seems to have been done about it, Or do the powers that be have a vested interested? a la bible belt votes? "Don't upset the paying punters" one could say! by the way what is the 'bible belt'
'tis all fodder for a good debate or do you wish to stifle debate? not very democratic :smile:
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2019, 05:05:39 pm »
Coolbees needs, I think to be a little more as your non-de-plume suggests. I only comment on things that interest me, leaving the religious nuts to one side it seemed inconceivable that nothing seems to have been done about it, Or do the powers that be have a vested interested? a la bible belt votes? "Don't upset the paying punters" one could say! by the way what is the 'bible belt'
'tis all fodder for a good debate or do you wish to stifle debate? not very democratic :smile:
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Maybe non-de-plume from your point of view. I think there is a good chance your king of the middle 1700s, (George) might have referred to our founding fathers in the same manner of comments toward our founding fathers as you have people of faith. In fact, he might have used the same words, (religious  nuts). Hum   Up until England tangled with those (religious nuts) he pretty well had things going as he pleased throughout the world, What happened?
Maybe Alan is interested in religious comments. Or interested when someone attacks a crook, labeling others who honest in the same mold.  Other wise I doubt he would respond? If he just wanted to debate with you on every subject that you come up with , he otherwise would? Which he does not. Sometimes truth can stifle debate dead in its tracks.  Either you believe Gods Holy Word or you do not. What is left to debate?  It is each individual persons right. To believe or not to believe, Including you Cider.

John 14:6 King James Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Revelation 3:20 King James Version
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2019, 06:41:00 pm »
Ben we aren't in the 1700s we're in the 21st century. Do you not think people don't appreciate being lectured to by way of quotes from the bible ad infinitum? tends to get in the way of pleasant debate. :cheesy:
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2019, 09:03:35 pm »
The Bible (and God) never get old to me. ... nor should He. I understand there are many [now - as always] who wish He would "get old" ... but that don't make them right ... just sayin' ...
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2019, 10:09:02 pm »
Now Cider my friend,  I was commenting on the debate of socialism, the Constitution, and Capitalism here. Comments were made about each one by different individuals here, making some good points, from each side of the debate. I simply reminded  myself and each debater that My Countries foundation is based upon Christian principles and will not properly work if we are not a moral people. A fact that can not be ignored. I also commented on the basis of how the left is attacking the very founding fathers who wrote our Construction and their desires for our Nation, both then in the 1700s as well as the future, (now). Good debatable grabbers. How can we have a decent debate by censoring my quotes by the one whom these principles were  drawn from?   One fellow, recently, quoted Mark Twain, Samuel Clemens, and the quote could have been easily been taken as directed toward you, which I do not know for sure, only he does, referring to a fool,  and could have easily been referring to me as being confused as one for debating you on a recent topic here. Yet you said not one word in response to that. Yet my quotes from The Holy Bible you do not want me to say.  And remember my friend,  YOU ASK ME about my opinion of your topic about the TV. Evangelist, A topic that YOU started, that said evangelist was an apparent alleged fraud according to the article form the address that you posted. So I again answered you and added another quote, and basically agreed with you and iddee on that one. I figured you would like that? So today, I answered you with quotes, not nearly as harsh as iddees. And you do not like it. Why?  I am surprised at your reaction Cider, Ole Chap.
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Iddees quote that you did not seem to mind.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2019, 03:33:40 am »
.....and what was my reply to iddee?

 Sellios once said "A fool and his prejudice are hard to tell apart"

and " Mr Clemens most certainly had you in mind" (iddee)

At least with iddee I don't need to wade through reams of bible quotes to get to the nitty-gritty. I know you enjoy showing your expertise with bible texts but not everyone does, geddit? I think someone once said KISS :wink:
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2019, 07:37:46 am »
geddit?

No Cider I do not get it. But I will bite and try. Let?s see, You like debating about politics. In fact you like debating about pretty much anything, so I thought? You seem like a jolly Brit. A Superman with words. A sharp crisp mind of a younger man. One who is well versed in the going ons in world affairs.  So no, I do not get it. Perhaps you can enlighten me? What is it that you dislike about the Bible so much that the subject is mute to you, or off limits to me. You act as the Bible is  kryptonite  toward you. So, I bit, I answered your question,  No, I do not  get it.   Hum 

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2019, 09:21:59 am »
our government was set up and based on the principles of Gods Word,

Who's God Ben?  While I went to a parochial school for the first 9 years of my formal education they did teach our government was set up as separate from church and state.  The main reason for coming to America was to be free from religious rule and persecution.  It is clear to me that some people in this country want to change that.  They quote bible verses, "their" bible.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2019, 09:35:41 am »
Ben
I must admit I am indifferent to the book you call the bible, which was created when most people were illiterate and had to rely on a select few who give them their interpretation of the stories it contains. I suppose you could say "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king" :smile:
But I don't decry religion, I attended the funeral of a lifelong friend on Friday and willingly took part, it was at a Catholic church and I quite enjoyed the 'service' conducted by a priest. No happy clappy guitar twanging, just a dignified send off.   So I'm not totally dismissive of religion, only when it starts to preach at me, I prefer to make my own mind up! :cheesy:     
That is what I meant when I quoted "KISS"
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What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be, as long as you elect sane politicians who are not embarrassed about their hair" with apologies to SS

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2019, 10:29:02 am »
""The main reason for coming to America was to be free from religious rule and persecution.  It is clear to me that some people in this country want to change that. ""

You are right there. Ace. Some do want to change that. They want to pick and choose the religions that are acceptable, or not.

IE. No Christian prayer before congress meetings, but change the rules to accommodate hijabs is fine.
The problem is, the "some" that want to change it is opposite what you think.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2019, 12:49:33 pm »
Cider you old windbag, I quoted the Bible,  ONLY after you ASK ME what I thought of your post about TV  Evangelist that YOU had POSTED in another topic. That was post 20 here.  Those quotes, from the Bible,  basically AGREED with YOU that there are fraudulent fake  preachers. Then you Holler foul.  You ole windbag. 😉


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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2019, 03:18:34 pm »
Hi Ben, ole windbag here :smile:
Referring again to my post about the cretins of the televangelist type why do you think there are a dearth of posts condemning them? Is it because they agree with these charlatans and money grabbing scumbags. Or have people been brainwashed over the years into believing its real? Funnily enough that reminds me of something familiar :rolleyes: 
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What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be, as long as you elect sane politicians who are not embarrassed about their hair" with apologies to SS

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2019, 04:33:16 pm »
Hi Ben, ole windbag here :smile:
Referring again to my post about the cretins of the televangelist type why do you think there are a dearth of posts condemning them? Is it because they agree with these charlatans and money grabbing scumbags. Or have people been brainwashed over the years into believing its real? Funnily enough that reminds me of something familiar :rolleyes: 
ole windbag.

PS I think I'll have to find a new name for you (but it may not be funny!)

Now you see, there you go again, not wanting me to refer to the Bible in answering you but you still ask me questions about matters concerning it. I am happy to answer you my friend as best as I can. I am not a preacher or a deacon, in fact if you were happen to see me in a church you might find me on the back row. Therefore please bare with me. Cider even in the day of Jesus many of the religious leaders were crooked.  The (church) and its leaders rejected Jesus and his teachings. So he went to the sinners and publicans preaching and teaching of God his Father, and the people in the public places loved him and many embraced him. The ,quote,(religious folks) Hated and despised him. They called him names such as a glutinous man and a wine babbler. They might have said something like Look, he hangs out with the sinners!  They attacked him at every opportunity trying to discredit him. Time and time again they tried to nail him through debate.  And remember, these were the foremost experts more so educated in religious matters, the experts if you will, to debate him of such matters. They could not gain one slither of leverage against him so they nailed him to a cross. Little did that know that was his secret ambition! Filling  prophecy from their same bible that they were trying to nail him with! I am going to use a quote from one of the four gospels.  Gospels, testimony, from four men that walked, talked, and traveled with him throughout his Ministry. I am not quoting to preach to you, or try to convert, or convict  you. Only if I could , but I can not. Only the Spirit of God can do that. I am simply talking to you as a friend. Here is only one example of how the religious leaders mistreated Sweet Jesus. This is from Luke Ch 7. But is is written in three of the four gospels by three different witnesses.  PS I hope you know I am kidding you about being a windbag? 😊😁. God Bless you my friend.
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Like ch 7
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2019, 04:56:02 pm »
IE. No Christian prayer before congress meetings, but change the rules to accommodate hijabs is fine.
The problem is, the "some" that want to change it is opposite what you think.
No Wally it is not fine.  I include all when I say want to change.  Every religion should be respected but it has no place in government.
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2019, 05:32:24 pm »
Cider - I have no use for the TVangelists. In Jesus' words, "they have their reward" (meaning they have their reward on this earth, instead of in heaven). ... I view them about as low as Socialists - but slightly less dangerous to the rest of us.

(I will allow that there probably some sincere and honest Christian people on TV who are trying to spread God's Message with a pure heart - but I'd also guess they are the exception rather than the rule).
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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2019, 05:46:29 pm »
Yes I agree Alan

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2019, 05:51:39 pm »
Same here.

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Re: Is impeachment close?
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2019, 07:02:31 pm »
Yes I agree Alan

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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2019, 07:35:48 pm »
Yes I agree Alan

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