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His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« on: November 05, 2019, 04:52:39 pm »
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2019, 07:03:54 pm »
I thought this looked good too.  I'm a big fan of Dafne Keen after her fabulous performance in Logan a couple of years ago.  I don't have time for any more books/shows in my life right now, but definitely something I'll check out in the future.   
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2019, 11:38:02 pm »
David Jesudason's review indicates it is an anti-Christian anti-populist story.
Not my words, his.  Just saying.

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2019, 09:32:41 am »
So you're "Just saying" as a warning that it may offend their beliefs? Get a life, its a story! As are other books of fiction.
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 01:16:16 pm »
David Jesudason's review indicates it is an anti-Christian anti-populist story.
Not my words, his.  Just saying.

That was my take on it also - anti-Christian, anti-moral, anti-Freedom - written with the intent of further undermining the basic tenants of modern civilization (family, community, trust, respect, self-reliance, personal responsibility, etc), intended to confuse people minds at the subliminal level and thus facilitate the chaos needed to bring in the darkness of socialism - by city, by country, and eventually to the entire globe.

... i.e. a work of leftist propaganda.
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2019, 01:35:50 pm »
....a cigar is just a cigar..

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2019, 02:05:32 pm »
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a cigar is just a cigar

unless you are under the desk with an intern   :wink:

"Entertainment" has long been used to sway society in one direction or another.  Sometimes that's been good.  More often it is not.  I was having a conversation with a leftist about something and they said "Have you watched the Handmaids Tale?  That's what you guys want.".  Really?  A TV show is what you use to form a political opinion?  Amazon has Carnival Row and it pushes open immigration.   It's a fantasy series, but the message can't be missed.

So yes, we need to be aware that very often a cigar is not just a cigar.

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2019, 07:15:43 pm »
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a cigar is just a cigar
unless you are under the desk with an intern   :wink:

"Entertainment" has long been used to sway society in one direction or another.  Sometimes that's been good.  More often it is not.  I was having a conversation with a leftist about something and they said "Have you watched the Handmaids Tale?  That's what you guys want.".  Really?  A TV show is what you use to form a political opinion?  Amazon has Carnival Row and it pushes open immigration.   It's a fantasy series, but the message can't be missed.

So yes, we need to be aware that very often a cigar is not just a cigar.

So you believe this show will convert people? See the bold text, you can't have it both ways. :rolleyes: It's a story! Next, you will be saying the people will be taking up swords, bows and arrows etc a la G of T.
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2019, 09:05:39 pm »
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It's a story! Next, you will be saying the people will be taking up swords, bows and arrows etc a la G of T.

It is a story, but stories influence people and their views.  Guess Who's Coming To DinnerTo Kill A Mockingbird  The Birth of A Nation...For better or worse, entertainment can influence.  It is often designed to influence. 

If I looked to a movie series to encourage the taking up of bows and arrows it would be The Hunger Games.   :wink:
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2019, 02:24:57 pm »
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It's a story! Next, you will be saying the people will be taking up swords, bows and arrows etc a la G of T.

It is a story, but stories influence people and their views.  Guess Who's Coming To DinnerTo Kill A Mockingbird  The Birth of A Nation...For better or worse, entertainment can influence.  It is often designed to influence. 

If I looked to a movie series to encourage the taking up of bows and arrows it would be The Hunger Games.   :wink:

As do the Bible, Koran and Vedas etc. Shouldn't people be warned of the messages contained therein? 
What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2019, 05:58:20 pm »
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As do the Bible, Koran and Vedas etc. Shouldn't people be warned of the messages contained therein?

Should people be aware of what is in them?  One would hope that if they are following any of them they would be aware of what is in them.  I am not sure how they compare to what is billed as entertainment and is designed to influence.  Religious writings ARE designed to influence.  Pretty sure everyone knows that. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2019, 10:18:13 pm »
So you're "Just saying" as a warning that it may offend their beliefs? Get a life, its a story! As are other books of fiction.

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You're showing your intolerance, sadly.
Perhaps you should hold yourself to the standards you hold others....

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2019, 05:34:45 am »
So you're "Just saying" as a warning that it may offend their beliefs? Get a life, its a story! As are other books of fiction.

Posted by: cidersabuzzin
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You're showing your intolerance, sadly.
Perhaps you should hold yourself to the standards you hold others....

Are you sure you haven't mixed me up with 'CoolBees'? Now there's a rant with bells on. :rolleyes:
He will be saying shortly that Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings etc should be banned......oh wait a minute hasn't some do-gooder already tried to get them removed from Libraries! Probably think they are 'leftist propaganda' Laughable. :rolleyes:

I think some other Rightist Nutters tried burning books and look at what happened later. I know, NS but you get the gist.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=26&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjaxN7XjOXlAhVJfMAKHQMmDB4QFjAZegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lib.cam.ac.uk%2Fcollections%2Fdepartments%2Fgermanic-collections%2Fabout-collections%2Fspotlight-archive%2Fburning-books&usg=AOvVaw3hJWDyVm4idjs6swhjfSXz
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What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

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Re: His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2019, 01:07:26 pm »
So you're "Just saying" as a warning that it may offend their beliefs? Get a life, its a story! As are other books of fiction.

Posted by: cidersabuzzin
? on: November 06, 2019, 09:32:41 am ?

    Insert Quote

You're showing your intolerance, sadly.
Perhaps you should hold yourself to the standards you hold others....

Are you sure you haven't mixed me up with 'CoolBees'? Now there's a rant with bells on. :rolleyes:
He will be saying shortly that Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings etc should be banned......oh wait a minute hasn't some do-gooder already tried to get them removed from Libraries! Probably think they are 'leftist propaganda' Laughable. :rolleyes:

I think some other Rightist Nutters tried burning books and look at what happened later. I know, NS but you get the gist.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=26&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjaxN7XjOXlAhVJfMAKHQMmDB4QFjAZegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lib.cam.ac.uk%2Fcollections%2Fdepartments%2Fgermanic-collections%2Fabout-collections%2Fspotlight-archive%2Fburning-books&usg=AOvVaw3hJWDyVm4idjs6swhjfSXz
Second episode just aired, still in the process of painting characters but looking good. :smile:
What's good for bees is usually good for mankind. Doesn't that mean sharing?

"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be, as long as you elect sane politicians who are not embarrassed about their hair" with apologies to SS