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« Reply #80 on: August 19, 2019, 02:27:59 pm »

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No one has taken more then the present administration.  Not even close.  Empowered by the righties.  Now whether they own enough votes to continue gouging the american people will remain to be seen.  Unfortunately they have set the stage for future administrations.  So it is likely we will get screwed no matter what.

Can you be more specific?  What has been taken and by whom?  In what way are you being gouged?  Set the stage for what?  Screwed in what way?

Acebird,
I need help with this also.

What has been taken?
The middle of the county was lost by the Democrats, and lost by mainstream Washington.  Donald Trump was the Hail Mary pass to the end zone to get the country back on the right path.
Accepting his personal flaws by voting for him shows you how desperate the people were for change in Washington. I would have bet back then that he would not have made it to the Republican convention....I was wrong.
And let's be a little fair. Mr. Trump inherited the inadequate ICE facilities and resources - among other neglected issues. Better facilities should have been in the planning stage by prior administrations (plural). Congress has been negligent in its responsibilities for decades. I don't remember all that many bills vetoed by the past few presidents against the will of congress. Let's not forget who is supposed to control spending and create legislation. It is not the President according to the constitution you are referring to.
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« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2019, 08:58:36 am »
32 trillion dollars plus interest borrowed from our friends in China.  A debt I am not sure we will ever get out of.  Blatantly stealing money from the military budget after being denied appropriations from congress.  That is unconstitutionally stealing power and destroying democracy.  Makes you wonder if he will actually leave when he gets voted out.
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« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2019, 09:36:44 am »
Ace,
He asked Congress to fund the wall to protect our country. They refused. His primary job is to protect the United States Of American. He is the Commander In Chief. That means he is the head of the military. The money was earmarked for the military so he can decide where to use it.
But you already knew this, right.
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« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2019, 09:49:33 am »
Acebird,
A quick internet search says the deficit is currently $1 trillion dollars.
So you are blaming Trump for the $32 trillion dollars debt (your statement - not verified) accumulated over decades?
The deficit is my number one worry for this country. It is not sustainable. To make my point, I thank the younger generation for paying for the stuff I am getting that they will pay for. It gets their attention.

Edited to add.We need to wean ourselves off of this spending merry go round. The problem with that is all the unemployed government workers and contractors. Sequester was a great thing. What ever happened. Oh yeah, neither party liked losing votes.
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« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2019, 12:57:27 pm »
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Blatantly stealing money from the military budget after being denied appropriations from congress.  That is unconstitutionally stealing power and destroying democracy.

this was challenged in court.  The court gave it a pass.  It is a matter of national security.  Now taking money out of Medicare to pay for Obama care....Did you have a problem with that?  I forget.

Overspending is, and has been, a problem for a long time.  Our debt nearly doubled under Obama.  However, I am not sure where you are getting your numbers.  Our national debt is 22+ trillion and China is not our highest lender, we are.  the majority of our debt is held by the US by way of treasury and liabilities. 

If you want to reduce debt, you have to address liabilities.  No one wants to touch those. 

https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124

Who is in charge of money/budget/taxes?  Hint:  Not the president.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2019, 04:48:32 pm »
I wish the perpetrators in El Paso and Ohio just had knives.  Or maybe we should regulate only the white people and let the brown people have guns.  That might change the number of terrorist shootings.
Trying to control the tools of violence only results in a difference in the number of victims.  It does not change the perpetrator carrying out his/hers motivation or cause.  Take away the guns, they use knives.  Or poison gas.  Or bombs.  Or cars.  Or aircraft.  Take away the knives, they use clubs.  Take away clubs, they use rocks. 
Taking away the tool does absolutely nothing to solve the cause of the problem.  It only masks it!
But no, you're too busy crying about the numbers (relatively miniscule compared to the world population) to do anything to actually solve the problem.
And that is a very big part of the problem!
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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2019, 05:53:48 pm »

Who is in charge of money/budget/taxes?  Hint:  Not the president.
Correct that is why trump stole money and the ACA was voted on by congress, not stolen.
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« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2019, 06:25:31 pm »
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Correct that is why trump stole money and the ACA was voted on by congress, not stolen.

the SCOTUS disagrees with you.  My point is that taking money from one program for another is not a new thing.  If you were not upset by one, you should not be upset by another.  The mission of the military is national defense.  Securing the border is national defense.  ACA was voted on by congress, challenged, and supported by the SCOTUS. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2019, 06:29:58 pm »
First, there is NO military budget. It is the DEFENSE budget. He was spending it on national defense.

Second,  The U.S. debt to China is $1.12 trillion as of March 2019. That's 28% of the $4.07 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $22 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

Sorry, Ace, you are wrong, as usual.

""My point is that taking money from one program for another is not a new thing.""

No, Kathy, it wasn't, in this case. It went from the defense budget to defend, as was meant.
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« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2019, 11:54:49 am »
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No, Kathy, it wasn't, in this case. It went from the defense budget to defend, as was meant.

Fair enough, but I don't think the border is listed under the defense dept.  While it is a matter of defense, the money was moved from one department to another and the court blessed it. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2019, 07:50:15 am »
The monkey court.
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« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2019, 08:06:01 am »
Ace,
It has been in the past, thankfully we have a little more that half of the court doing their job of interpreting the constitution as it was written. Way too many times, they have been purely political and made decisions based on what they want the laws to be, instead of weather it was constitutional.
Obama careless being one. There is no place in the constitution that says the federal government has the right to force you to buy something just because you live here.
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« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2019, 10:16:59 am »
The monkey court.

Ace. Clarence Thomas IS a man of color and the Senior member of the Supreme Court but that does not qualify the court as a monkey court. Where is your liberal tolerance? Does the liberal leaning left such as you have shown to have such leanings, only show tolerance when it suits the liberal agenda? According to the left, and right, using the word monkey, when referring to a black person, is a racial slur. I?ve never known you to throw out racial slurs before.  Perhaps you did not mean it in this way?  Please clarify. Justice Thomas, irregardless of his color has shown to be a proponent for The Constitution in most cases. He should be considered a champion from the left as well as the right because of his Constitutional stance?

DescriptionClarence Thomas is an American judge, lawyer, and government official who currently serves as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. He is currently the most senior associate justice on the Court following the retirement of Anthony Kennedy. Wikipedia

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« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2019, 10:58:55 am »
Ben,
I cannot decide if I should chastise you or applaud your well played sarcastic reply using a leftist tactic.   :happy:
Even a monkey should be able to surmise that Acebird was referring to the court as fools in his post and not in a racially insensitive manner.



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« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2019, 10:59:49 am »
To the left, a person only belongs to a specific "protected" group only if they submit to the left's doctrine.  Because Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black conservatives and libertarians that have become self-made are seen by the left as just more Privileged Whites that need to be destroyed.
so much for liberal "tolerance".  They only tolerate those that mirror themselves.
My question is; what makes left wing bigotry and hatred superior to right wing bigotry and hatred? 
My answer; Nothing,  It is political expediency, or political correctness.
My retort; hatred is hatred, and the left is just as wrong as the right, if not more so.
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« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2019, 11:14:30 am »
Ben,
I cannot decide if I should chastise you or applaud your well played sarcastic reply using a leftist tactic.   :happy:
Even a monkey should be able to surmise that Acebird was referring to the court as fools in his post and not in a racially insensitive manner.

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« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2019, 11:36:52 am »
@ Hops
Hops the definition of right and left pretty well, and much, sums it up.


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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2019, 12:31:57 pm »
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The monkey court.

You realize that it was one the "conservative" Justice that gave you ACA?  While he had two choices in how he ruled and I was not happy with the one he made, as a strict matter of interpreting the constitution he was within bounds to make the decision he made. 

You seem fine with the SCOTUS as long as it is ruling your way!
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2019, 02:18:27 pm »
Instead of each Americans own political interest, every Real American should hope each ruling by the Supreme Court would always be determined on the Constitution. The Constitution should be the legal magnet that draws all Americans together, uniting each citizen at least on that matter, strengthening again the formula of United Stated of America as it should be. The constitution, a common ground that serves to enforce to each citizen, the Right to Life Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..
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« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2019, 04:24:13 pm »
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The Constitution should be the legal magnet that draws all Americans together

especially since it is the law.

One of the things that disturbs me most is the left wanting SCOTUS Justices that do not consider the Constitution to be the law.  They want to use the courts as a substitute for legislation or the vote of the people.  Because they believe their causes to be righteous, they also believe their causes should be forced on others. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville