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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2019, 11:58:01 am »
AOC wants to shut down ALL air travel, use only trains, tear down or modify every building in the US in the next ten years.  Go to only renewable energy sources and shut down all use of fossil fuels in the next ten years.  Basically she would destroy the US in the next ten years...  She is either the stupidest person in congress or she is insane.  She is certainly not a rational person.

Maybe she is the voice of a young generation wanting to change the world?
New ideas create a new economy in the end. I love the visions.

Michael what are the young people going to your beecamp saying? Are they all of your own mind? No visions?

Phillip, I have no fatherland because after WW2 we had no fatherland feeling and this is a good thing.
Sure we have corruption, I never said we are perfect!
We have the same movements going for a brighter future, you might call it socialist, but people don?t want the global market acting in this way anymore.

Trump expresses his opinions on twitter and why should not all others? It?s a free country, U.S. free to speak one?s mind? That?s what politic is about.

Seems you all act like a hornet nest when a wasp enters. Makes me wonder why?


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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2019, 12:09:24 pm »
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Maybe she is the voice of a young generation wanting to change the world?
New ideas create a new economy in the end. I love the visions.

There's nothing new about her ideas.  They have been tried and have failed...well, maybe not the train to Hawaii, but the rest of it has been tried  :grin:

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Trump expresses his opinions on twitter and why should not all others? It?s a free country, U.S. free to speak one?s mind? That?s what politic is about.

Of course she can express her opinions.  And we can laugh at her!!

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Seems you all act like a hornet nest when a wasp enters. Makes me wonder why?

Because we can look at history and see where her ideas lead.  She thinks, as many her age do, that Socialism works if the right people do it. Maybe she could give us an example of which failed country she'd use as a blueprint?
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2019, 12:35:09 pm »

Of course she can express her opinions.  And we can laugh at her!!
she'd use as a blueprint?
Laughing at her is quiet nice compared to what is posted about her.  :wink: Many people who had visions were laughed at first, in history.
What blueprint? Her ideas are about a modern world not some past.

Maybe now is the time ripe to have social ideas?
No socialist! Social benefits and environment conservation?
After all, the young people have to live in this future not us. Who are we to lecture them?

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2019, 01:16:36 pm »
""Who are we to lecture them?""

You mean , ""Who are we to teach the youngsters?"
I thought that was the adults number one job. If not, then who?
Some pot smoking junkie teenager?
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2019, 01:22:25 pm »
>Maybe she is the voice of a young generation wanting to change the world? New ideas create a new economy in the end. I love the visions.

She wants to tear down and rebuild or totally remodel every building in the US.  I live in a house built between 1856 and 1895.  I don't want to tear it down and refitting it for her ideas is impractal (as is tearing it down and rebuilding it).  These are not "new ideas".  They are insanity.

>Michael what are the young people going to your beecamp saying? Are they all of your own mind? No visions?

People vary in their understanding of the world and of politics.  I try not to talk too much about politics.

>Trump expresses his opinions on twitter and why should not all others? It?s a free country, U.S. free to speak one?s mind? That?s what politic is about.

Everyone is entitled to free speech.  Even Trump, but I wish he would stop using twitter...
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #105 on: February 12, 2019, 01:40:23 pm »
...  Basically she would destroy the US in the next ten years...  .....

That IS the goal.

I don't know if she is smart enough to understand that - but her handlers do. Who was is - Carl Marx or Saul Alinsky (sp?) that said something to the effect of "no free and successful society will willingly accept socialism. The economy and the society must be destroyed, and only then can socialism rise out of the ashes" [paraphased]? 
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #106 on: February 12, 2019, 01:54:03 pm »
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No socialist! Social benefits and environment conservation?

She is a socialist.  She wants free everything.  the "Green New Deal" is just a part of her plan. 

Have you read Marx?  Do you remember he was a great environmentalist?  He thought that stopping progress was a good thing.  Environmentalism is always a part of socialism.  It sounds great to the masses and gives the government more control/money.  (France)

We need to protect the environment, but we need to be smart about how we do it.  Retrofitting every building in the US with green stuff is kinda stupid.  Getting rid of cow farts and moving everyone to trains is kind of stupid.  Taxing the crap out of people so that they don't eat meat, drive cars, or do much of anything else is a recipe for disaster.  Making everything "free" ignores basic economics. 

She's enjoying the sound of her own voice.  I don't want her to stop.  I want her to keep talking.  1. we can see who goes with her 2. we can stop the plans and 3. she tends to sink her own ideas!
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #107 on: February 12, 2019, 02:04:40 pm »

There's nothing new about her ideas.  They have been tried and have failed...well, maybe not the train to Hawaii, but the rest of it has been tried  :grin:
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Kathy - your Wit just kills me!  :grin: :cheesy:
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #108 on: February 12, 2019, 02:26:11 pm »
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Kathy - your Wit just kills me!

It only got me in trouble as a youngster   :wink:
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #109 on: February 12, 2019, 02:36:39 pm »
Just goes to show her marrow minded thinking, Why stop the train in Hawaii? Why not angle up and go clear across the Pacific, go on to Japan, back down to china, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany and have tea with our friends there, France, dip down to Spain. Sorry England you are left out. You shouldn't have created the fake Russian hoax, with your fake Michael Steele report. Then onward to New York !! Think BIG AOC  THINK BIG, shoot for the moon and who knows, HUM, your train might make it to Alcatraz !! May be Time it was was re-opened anyway?  Ah haa haa haa

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #110 on: February 12, 2019, 02:37:54 pm »
I think I understand now.
You fear that you will be overwhelmed by communists and you will lose everything that you have because you have worked for it, no matter if it is much or not!  It is fear!
But socialism is not communism, social market economy is not socialism.
Really interesting!

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Only after the First World War, however, did differences emerge and while in Germany in 1920 the KPD was founded, which was based on the model of Russia and aimed at communism, in contrast formed the SPD, the reform-oriented socialism as a characteristic feature for himself. Even internationally, a distinction was made between communism, here with Lenin, Stalin and Mao, and socialism, which was democratically oriented.
In contrast to communism, the basic idea of ​​socialism is that it must be considered how good provision can be made. It is explicitly intended to ensure that everyone receives a supply that matches their performance and that those who are less efficient receive compensation in the sense of solidarity. At the present time and in political world affairs, communism and its ideology are actively practiced only by relatively few countries. Many advocates of today's socialism are dissociating themselves from communism and do not want to be compliant with it. Conversely, it is similar, although many explicitly want to incorporate the socialist basic ideas into communism.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #111 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:03 pm »
I really think we should start a more sustainable way of life.
Not overnight, but rethinking what we do.
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Phil, I'm European, so Sweden is my home too.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2019, 02:59:13 pm »
Just goes to show her marrow minded thinking, Why stop the train in Hawaii? Why not angle up and go clear across the Pacific, go on to Japan, back down to china, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany and have tea with our friends there, France, dip down to Spain. Sorry England you are left out. You shouldn't have created the fake Russian hoax, with your fake Michael Steele report. Then onward to New York !! Think BIG AOC  THINK BIG, shoot for the moon and who knows, HUM, your train might make it to Alcatraz !! May be Time it was was re-opened anyway?  Ah haa haa haa

Ah-hah! A worldwide Bullet train! Brilliant! Your really onto something there Philip.  :wink:
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #113 on: February 12, 2019, 03:01:44 pm »
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I think I understand now.
You fear that you will be overwhelmed by communists and you will lose everything that you have because you have worked for it, no matter if it is much or not!  It is fear!
But socialism is not communism, social market economy is not socialism.
Really interesting!

No, you got that wrong. 

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In contrast to communism, the basic idea of socialism is that it must be considered how good provision can be made. It is explicitly intended to ensure that everyone receives a supply that matches their performance and that those who are less efficient receive compensation in the sense of solidarity.

No communist country ever started by saying "We are going to slaughter your people and make you all poor".  No socialist country ever started by saying "we are going to take over all industry and when that doesn't work, we are going to slaughter your people and make you all poor"
On paper, communism distributes all property, industry, and profit equally between the people and is managed by the people.  In socialism, the government manages all industry for the good of the people.  In fact, the end result is exactly the same no matter the label you put on it.

If you can point out one successful socialist country I'd be interested.

 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #114 on: February 12, 2019, 03:04:45 pm »
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I really think we should start a more sustainable way of life.
Not overnight, but rethinking what we do.

We already do.  Air is cleaner, water is cleaner, we produce enough food to easily feed the world.  That is a sustainable way of life.

If you want other forms of energy the best way to get it is through the free market.  Everyone knows that the first person who figures it out will be wildly wealthy.  The Steve Jobs of energy!  '

It will have to be something that doesn't require millions of acres for a small return.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #115 on: February 12, 2019, 03:06:08 pm »
If you can point out one successful socialist country I'd be interested.

I give up. I can?t believe this question.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #116 on: February 12, 2019, 03:07:28 pm »
We already do. 
No you don?t. You go backwards.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #117 on: February 12, 2019, 03:09:36 pm »
Just goes to show her marrow minded thinking, Why stop the train in Hawaii? Why not angle up and go clear across the Pacific, go on to Japan, back down to china, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany and have tea with our friends there, France, dip down to Spain. Sorry England you are left out. You shouldn't have created the fake Russian hoax, with your fake Michael Steele report. Then onward to New York !! Think BIG AOC  THINK BIG, shoot for the moon and who knows, HUM, your train might make it to Alcatraz !! May be Time it was was re-opened anyway?  Ah haa haa haa

Phil, I'm European, so Sweden is my home too.

Oh, I did not mean to exclude you Sibylle, the next thime I talk to AOC, I will ask her to add Sweden to the train track. J/k Sweetie, you are free to run Germany as you wish, you can also run the rest of Europe as you wish, including England, Ciders home. But you are not fee to run the USA.  Now, there will come a day,, when the Christian's are gone that you will have your wish,  I do believe That day will come. But it is not today. As long as the Spirit of God Strives with man you can not have your world government. But I will confess that day is getting closer.  The Bible says God's Spirit will not always strive with man. I feel sorry for the whole world when that time comes. There will be tribulation as the world has never known or will ever know again.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #118 on: February 12, 2019, 03:12:52 pm »
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You fear that you will be overwhelmed by communists and you will lose everything that you have because you have worked for it, no matter if it is much or not!  It is fear!
But socialism is not communism, social market economy is not socialism.
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No dearest, not even close. What all of us are trying to tell you is that the recipe for socialism is missing an ingredient - it fails to account for the drive of the human spirit. It's not fear we have darling, it's knowledge we have.

Socialism removes the major reward for hard work, and for extraordinary talent. There is a word for those that possess the willingness for hard work, and/or extraordinary talents - these are your "job creators, medical miracle inventors, new technology developers, etc". When that major reward is removed from them, they simply fit into society and do no more than is necessary - because there is no reward. And this begins the downward spiral of failure that accompanies every socialist  Utopian Society.

It's like trying to bake a cake without sugar. And we are all trying "collectively" to open your eyes to this simple fact.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #119 on: February 12, 2019, 03:48:14 pm »
Just goes to show her marrow minded thinking, Why stop the train in Hawaii? Why not angle up and go clear across the Pacific, go on to Japan, back down to china, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany and have tea with our friends there, France, dip down to Spain. Sorry England you are left out. You shouldn't have created the fake Russian hoax, with your fake Michael Steele report. Then onward to New York !! Think BIG AOC  THINK BIG, shoot for the moon and who knows, HUM, your train might make it to Alcatraz !! May be Time it was was re-opened anyway?  Ah haa haa haa

Ah-hah! A worldwide Bullet train! Brilliant! Your really onto something there Philip.  :wink:

Thanks Alan, but I can't take all the credit. AOC was the true inspiration!! We need to ask her, how much concrete, green energy, time, etc will it take for the bridging to reach the deepest depths of the sea? This brilliant minded leader must be on to something big !! Hee hee j/k
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