Welcome, Guest

Author Topic: A gift that keeps on giving  (Read 4473 times)

Offline kathyp

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17183
  • Gender: Female
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #80 on: January 26, 2019, 12:22:41 pm »
Quote
Many parents are afraid that less intelligent students could worsen the level. Especially when refugees and immigrants are in classes.
That's why they are looking for private schools. This divides society and promotes prejudice.


In Germany, the tax system is very unfair. The rich have many more opportunities for tax evasion and are taxed equally in percentage terms which leads to big income difference. This was done because they were believed to be more supportive of the economy. But this has proved to be a mistake, the money goes abroad and the brunt of the tax is provided by the middle class.

here we have a history of many people from many places.  That is not a problem.  What has become a problem is that they are not assimilating as they used to.  Part of that is the fault of the school system.  We have schools where 30 different languages are spoken.  Instead of insisting the kids learn English, they hire special teachers for them.  Not only does this cost a lot, but studies have shown the kids do not learn English quickly or at all.

Our press will tell you that our public schools are failing for lack of money.  This is untrue.  Our public schools are failing because teaching basics have given way to making sure no one feels bad.  They do not fail students.  They do not challenge students.  They teach "conflict resolution" rather than Algebra.  They worry that everyone has 3 meals a day rather than teaching biology or reading classics.

All of the energy goes to providing equal outcome rather than a good education for those who will take advantage of it.

For that reason, I am in favor of the tax money going with the child and the child/parents being able to choose any school, public or private for their education.

I am in favor of a flat tax but mine would be different from most proposed.  Everyone would pay the same % regardless of income source.  Welfare to rich.  Deductions would be slashed or done away with.  A flat tax is fair.  Everyone is invested so everyone cares.  The graduated tax we have here is unfair.  almost 50% of our population pays no federal tax at all and some get back more than what was deducted.  The wealthy here pay the majority of the tax, but use a smaller portion of the services at both the federal and state level.

people should not be punished because they do well.  Success should be encouraged. 


They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Offline Acebird

  • Galactic Bee
  • ******
  • Posts: 5560
  • Gender: Male
  • Practicing non intervention beekeeping
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #81 on: January 26, 2019, 01:52:07 pm »

I guess I don't understand what you mean by "Equalizing Education". Between No Child Left Behind, and Common Core, the curriculum in the schools has been standardized by the Federal government (as I understand it). So - if I understand correctly - every classroom in every school, public and private, is now teaching the same classes from the same books.

Are you kidding me Alan?  We are so far away from that goal.  Also, to be equal the qualifications for the teachers would be the same.  Do you think they are?
Kathy wants to fix it so "school choices" can further segregate the haves between the haves nots.  I have a friend down here in Palm Beach that pays 20 grad a year per student for a charter school to keep her kids out of the public school system.  Do you think she is paying 20 grand because they are equal?  I don't believe there is any such thing as equal education anywhere in the country.  And now that there is a dig bat that knows nothing about education running the countries education wing ... right, more charter schools, more segregation, more inequality.
Brian Cardinal
Just do it

Offline Acebird

  • Galactic Bee
  • ******
  • Posts: 5560
  • Gender: Male
  • Practicing non intervention beekeeping
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #82 on: January 26, 2019, 02:01:39 pm »
A flat tax is fair.

Wow!  Yes, it is fair if every entity pays.  The problem is good luck getting that passed because the wealthy can avoid taxes with what we have now.  The wealthy can buy the politicians so it isn't going to change.
Brian Cardinal
Just do it

Offline jvalentour

  • Field Bee
  • ***
  • Posts: 686
  • Gender: Male
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2019, 02:22:21 pm »
I don't know Ace....
I sent #4 from a good public school system to a private HS.  The values of the private were more in line with my family than the system #1, #2 and #3 had graduated from.  Public schools are just that, public, homogenized, and straight line thinkers.  Many, not all teachers, could care less about the kids.  As time passed we watched a good school system begin to fail it's students.  Much of this was caused by government intervention.  (Please take a look at the school comparison link I provided earlier).  Administrators who have been around awhile will agree.  My spouse is a special education teacher, has been for many years.  In many ways, she says, schools are not so much about teaching, they are about data collection.  The Federal government $ has dictated how schools teach.

In comparison to the public schools;  The private school staff are generally paid less, benefits are not as good, and the parents are more demanding.  The private school staff are there for the love of teaching (and in many cases spreading the word of God).  I was particularly impressed at nearly every parent meeting, the principal and speakers would say "Thank you for sending your child to our school".  You don't get that in public very often.  My kid got a very good education, for my money, I was pleased.

I also think that if your friend is paying his school tax like all the other residents in his area, he certainly has the choice to send his child to whatever schools he see fit.  Bad schools should fail, good schools should thrive.  Vouchers provide the vehicle for poor to leave the failing schools.  You will also notice in the link I provided how the Feds are throwing money at failing schools. 

My opinion it that successful schools are successful because of their gene pool, not tax money, not teachers, it's parents who care and put effort into a child's education. 

Offline SiWolKe

  • House Bee
  • **
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Female
    • www.VivaBiene.de
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #84 on: January 26, 2019, 03:48:50 pm »
Quote
Instead of insisting the kids learn English, they hire special teachers for them.

That?s very interesting!
I am part of an association which wants our local town to be attractive, so we offer speakings and events on different topics.

My co-members told me we should spend our money ( we get fees for speakings) for hiring a teacher who teaches english to our 1000 refugee children and juveniles.
English? Many of the towns people don?t speak english. The refugees are in Germany and we want them to speak german. So we refused ( they have a private teacher educating them in german).
We offered to initiate events for the newcomers instead where they will learn something about our culture, our ethics, religion and cohabitation, since they mostly are moslems we want to teach them about women?s rights.

I?m with you Kathy. Immigrants should learn the language of the country that took them in. They want this,I?m sure, but are not in a position to demand this.
I?ve met some who can speak a better german than some natives... :cheesy:

I myself want to live in sweden and started to learn the language.

Offline kathyp

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17183
  • Gender: Female
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2019, 12:28:13 am »
Quote
right, more charter schools, more segregation, more inequality.

More choice.  Do you think all kids learn the same?  Do you think they all want to do the same things after school?  Shouldn't a kid who wants to go into a trade have the chance to include that in education?  The kid who wants to go to the top college in the world should have a chance to prep for that without taking auto shop.

Quote
Wow!  Yes, it is fair if every entity pays.  The problem is good luck getting that passed because the wealthy can avoid taxes with what we have now.  The wealthy can buy the politicians so it isn't going to change.

here it would be the opposite.  The wealthy here can avoid some taxes, but they still pay the majority of all taxes.  The lower 50% pays little to no taxes so they would be the ones protesting a change.  I think if you can vote, you should be putting into the system so that you care what the system is doing.  Otherwise, you only care if you get your stuff.

Quote
I also think that if your friend is paying his school tax like all the other residents in his area, he certainly has the choice to send his child to whatever schools he see fit.  Bad schools should fail, good schools should thrive.  Vouchers provide the vehicle for poor to leave the failing schools.  You will also notice in the link I provided how the Feds are throwing money at failing schools. 

Exactly.  Attach the money to the child and not to the school.  Choice.

Quote
The refugees are in Germany and we want them to speak german

I consider the story of the tower of Bable to have been a warning.  A common language is a large part of national identity and unity. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Offline kathyp

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17183
  • Gender: Female
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #86 on: January 27, 2019, 12:43:45 am »
SiWolKe

This is why I don't bash wealthy people.  Even though this is about bezos, it gives an idea of what the wealthy do in this country.  They donate more than the GDP of some countries  :grin:
Of course, they are also the ones who tend to say the government should take more and do more.  I don't think they really believe that because foundations are tax sheltered and they could donate that money to the government if they really thought it would spend more wisely. 


https://nypost.com/2019/01/26/jeff-bezos-gives-a-pitiful-amount-of-his-160b-fortune-to-charity/

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Offline blackforest beekeeper

  • Field Bee
  • ***
  • Posts: 572
  • Gender: Male
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #87 on: January 27, 2019, 04:01:16 am »
My husband was a former teacher too, but it was 25 years ago and what I hear from my company co-workers who are parents with schoolkids is exactly what I posted.

I don?t know anyone who lies in bed when his child leaves to go to school, but I know some who are at the day job before the child has to rise.

And what I and my husband hears from teacher aquaintances is exactly what I said too. Times have changed much the last years, starting with agenda 10.

And yes, we plan to move to sweden in old age, which regulates even more but not in such an unjust way. With our low pensions we will have a good life there, not be poor like here because of those running expenses.

The next ten years we will be forced to insulate our home or pay penalty tax, have a new heating system because we still have oil heating, pay more nursing care insurance, pay more land tax, pay more for energy....this will not stop when we are retired.
Plus we will not get any money selling our diesel car so maybe pay some penalty tax for keeping it.

Right now we pay half our income for all duties and pension will be under 50% of our last income from which we have to pay the social charges furthermore.

By the way the wife of an official get?s a pension paid by tax payers higher than my husband?s and my today?s income together, although she never paid into that system.
That?s more unfair than paying welfare to those in need.

I have had plenty of those students. I mean the ones on welfare, like the ones kathy described.

We have to deal with all the above, too. Including three practically worth-less diesels... I am not an official, I was an "Angestellter" - employee. The pay and pensiondifferneces there are pretty unjust.
There will be unjust things in pretty much any country.

Offline SiWolKe

  • House Bee
  • **
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Female
    • www.VivaBiene.de
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #88 on: January 27, 2019, 04:07:42 am »
Rich people need to identify with the state to donate.
I don?t see this thinking here. All surplus money is moved to the foreign countries to save tax.

Here in Germany, all parties except the AfD have committed to the left-green policy. That means we have a left-wing dictatorship right now, the only alternative is to vote for the populist AfD, which is unthinkable for many (including me).

We are an export nation, to sustain that, wages rise far too little.

To save the euro, there is the zero interest rate policy, which makes it unattractive to save. But it is necessary to provide for old age privately, otherwise the standard of living in old age can not be maintained.

In addition to finance the euro there was privatization of the real estate and the stop of the state social housing construction, which increased the rents strongly, so strong that the first trailer parks develop on the outskirts, because humans can afford no more housing. Unlike abroad, many Germans have no home ownership.

Now they want to force house owners to rescue this policy by renting out if they have rooms to spare. Otherwise there will be a punishment tax.

Sooner or later everything will collapse, because politics does not dare to reform.
Then all savings will be lost and there will be a popular uprising.
As will be with reformation.

People tend to call the fire brigades when the house already burns.

Offline blackforest beekeeper

  • Field Bee
  • ***
  • Posts: 572
  • Gender: Male
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #89 on: January 27, 2019, 04:14:58 am »
Quote
Many parents are afraid that less intelligent students could worsen the level. Especially when refugees and immigrants are in classes.
That's why they are looking for private schools. This divides society and promotes prejudice.


In Germany, the tax system is very unfair. The rich have many more opportunities for tax evasion and are taxed equally in percentage terms which leads to big income difference. This was done because they were believed to be more supportive of the economy. But this has proved to be a mistake, the money goes abroad and the brunt of the tax is provided by the middle class.

here we have a history of many peop
le from many places.  That is not a problem.  What has become a problem is that they are not assimilating as they used to.  Part of that is the fault of the school system.  We have schools where 30 different languages are spoken.  Instead of insisting the kids learn English, they hire special teachers for them.  Not only does this cost a lot, but studies have shown the kids do not learn English quickly or at all.

Our press will tell you that our public schools are failing for lack of money.  This is untrue.  Our public schools are failing because teaching basics have given way to making sure no one feels bad.  They do not fail students.  They do not challenge students.  They teach "conflict resolution" rather than Algebra.  They worry that everyone has 3 meals a day rather than teaching biology or reading classics.

All of the energy goes to providing equal outcome rather than a good education for those who will take advantage of it.

For that reason, I am in favor of the tax money going with the child and the child/parents being able to choose any school, public or private for their education.

I am in favor of a flat tax but mine would be different from most proposed.  Everyone would pay the same % regardless of income source.  Welfare to rich.  Deductions would be slashed or done away with.  A flat tax is fair.  Everyone is invested so everyone cares.  The graduated tax we have here is unfair.  almost 50% of our population pays no federal tax at all and some get back more than what was deducted.  The wealthy here pay the majority of the tax, but use a smaller portion of the services at both the federal and state level.

people should not be punished because they do well.  Success should be encouraged.

It seems school systems arre heading the same way....
I spent my senior year in high school in Ohio. After that two years more to gain "high school" in Germyn, which is quite a differnet thing, you can imagine. It is or at least used to be more like college, first couple years or so.
So as levels go down, we - thank God - still have a tripartite system with "Main-School", "Middle-School" and "High-School". But all parents want their childeren to go to high....
As an attendee i roughly judge, may the middle and main would correspond to "high-school" in US. Whereas the high-school in the US is more like a "general-school" as is used in some of the "socialist" states, where you can gain any of the three levels on ONE school. Not a good idea in my opinion.
As a rule, if you choose one school, you can always gain the higher levels afterwards, there are many different ways and schools for that. all puclicly and freely available.
Education is a state-afair here, as is police. Just recently the federeal government tried to go for some right of the states, but our prime-minister went against it, although they would have gotten a lot of money for it.

"getting everybody throuhg" - is a horrible thing, kathy, it is more or less being done here, too.
got a student in the evenings once a week. teach him some math. well, try to, anyways. as an aeronautical engineer I usually use the picture: An "A minus" (not an "A" barely) will come down again and kill many people. NOT acceptable.
He is far from that, put couldn?t consider him stupid. Just - very uninterested. School is a lot of entertainment these days, it seems? I felt like I was expected to be an entertainer in my schooling-time, too. i got pretty sick of all this and am quite glad I got rid of that job. Instead of teaching facts, I had to teach how to behave, how to sweep the black board, how to sweep the floor. Cause hardly any of the students could do this right. Although most were almost 18 and might vote soon....
o well.

Offline blackforest beekeeper

  • Field Bee
  • ***
  • Posts: 572
  • Gender: Male
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2019, 04:19:44 am »
@kathy:
of course do the richt pay the max proportion of the taxes here. the poorer ones don?t pay taxes, just like your place.
middle-classe pays taxes, too, of course.
there is a saying: "gotta work till April for the gov`t, after that I work for me".
somewhere along that line...

Offline blackforest beekeeper

  • Field Bee
  • ***
  • Posts: 572
  • Gender: Male
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2019, 04:24:26 am »
Rich people need to identify with the state to donate.
I don?t see this thinking here. All surplus money is moved to the foreign countries to save tax.

Here in Germany, all parties except the AfD have committed to the left-green policy. That means we have a left-wing dictatorship right now, the only alternative is to vote for the populist AfD, which is unthinkable for many (including me).

We are an export nation, to sustain that, wages rise far too little.

To save the euro, there is the zero interest rate policy, which makes it unattractive to save. But it is necessary to provide for old age privately, otherwise the standard of living in old age can not be maintained.

In addition to finance the euro there was privatization of the real estate and the stop of the state social housing construction, which increased the rents strongly, so strong that the first trailer parks develop on the outskirts, because humans can afford no more housing. Unlike abroad, many Germans have no home ownership.

Now they want to force house owners to rescue this policy by renting out if they have rooms to spare. Otherwise there will be a punishment tax.

Sooner or later everything will collapse, because politics does not dare to reform.
Then all savings will be lost and there will be a popular uprising.
As will be with reformation.

People tend to call the fire brigades when the house already burns.

I have the impression, some wages are far too high here. ridicously so. metal-workers e.g.
also, zero-interest-rate-policy is mainly set up by the US-federal-bank (I think). The Europeans ones just have to follow course...

if you think Germany is in a left-wing-dictatorship,
the US is clearly in a right-wing-dictatorship.
 :wink:

do you really think there ever were "better times"?

Offline SiWolKe

  • House Bee
  • **
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Female
    • www.VivaBiene.de
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2019, 04:47:59 am »
I have the impression, some wages are far too high here. ridicously so. metal-workers e.g.
also, zero-interest-rate-policy is mainly set up by the US-federal-bank (I think). The Europeans ones just have to follow course...
do you really think there ever were "better times"?
Well I?m a metal worker and my husband is. But our employers are not members in the emplyer?s association, so they can pay what they want if workers accept. I have not seen a rise in wages for ten years myself.
I still earn good money though compared to those which are employed recently and have to work for minimum wages.

Zero-interest-policy is set up by Draghi ( EU). Once again now.

People need legal certainty, it can not be that laws are constantly changing.
You have to be able to adjust to it for a long time, otherwise you will not invest privately.
When I started my apprenticeship and took up my job, the wages were still collectively bound, you could expect to build something up.
Today, skilled workers are based on the minimum wage for workers without training.
Today you do not get long-term employment contracts anymore. The economy has changed completely.

Yes, there was a careless time after the war, in the reconstruction.
This generation, that of my parents, they are mainly responsible for ensuring that the children are well, too. They share their wealth with them.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2019, 04:59:03 am by SiWolKe »

Offline SiWolKe

  • House Bee
  • **
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Female
    • www.VivaBiene.de
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2019, 07:20:51 am »
<<<Just - very uninterested. School is a lot of entertainment these days, it seems? I felt like I was expected to be an entertainer in my schooling-time, too. i got pretty sick of all this and am quite glad I got rid of that job. Instead of teaching facts, I had to teach how to behave, how to sweep the black board, how to sweep the floor. Cause hardly any of the students could do this right. Although most were almost 18 and might vote soon....
o well.>>>

This is a result of the education the kids get at home.
Many parents don?t have the patience and time nowadays to educate and they make the mistake leaving all education to the social media.
Sometimes I wonder why people still have kids when they don?t care about their personality and capability to start an independant life, but still want them to have best grades.

When I graduated from school I had the possibility to study at an university. It was my dream to study biology. But I had to be free so I applied for apprenticeship.
In 1983 I had to apply over 300 times and did not get a job. That was because the employers were afraid that apprentices who had good education would know about their rights.
There were many applicants for those jobs then, so the employers had the choice.
I had too high a degree but in the end I got a place by intervention of employment agency.

Today the employers want apprentices who have a high degree, this because the parents are not envolved with the contracts and because the demands of capability are much higher.
It?s much easier today to get high grades and leave school with a good graduation. Many of those german native pupils don?t want to take low paid jobs then, or their parents don?t want them to take such jobs, fearing discrimination among their community.
So these jobs are done by immigrant`s children mostly.


Offline kathyp

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17183
  • Gender: Female
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2019, 12:19:38 pm »
Quote
of course do the richt pay the max proportion of the taxes here. the poorer ones don?t pay taxes, just like your place.
middle-classe pays taxes, too, of course.
there is a saying: "gotta work till April for the gov`t, after that I work for me".
somewhere along that line...

Same here.

Quote
if you think Germany is in a left-wing-dictatorship,
the US is clearly in a right-wing-dictatorship.
 :wink:

do you really think there ever were "better times"?

I have seen dictatorships.  we are not that and neither are you.  I do think that you have more centralized government.  There are many here who want that also.  You see from our little shutdown that a president can't do whatever he wants.  The 3 parts of the governments are supposed to be equal even though they have separate jobs.  Some seem more equal than others   :cheesy:

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Offline kathyp

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17183
  • Gender: Female
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #95 on: January 27, 2019, 12:24:55 pm »
Quote
Zero-interest-policy is set up by Draghi ( EU). Once again now.

People need legal certainty, it can not be that laws are constantly changing.
You have to be able to adjust to it for a long time, otherwise you will not invest privately.
When I started my apprenticeship and took up my job, the wages were still collectively bound, you could expect to build something up.
Today, skilled workers are based on the minimum wage for workers without training.
Today you do not get long-term employment contracts anymore. The economy has changed completely.

We were doing the 0 interest rate for a while.  It is pretty bad for those of us who save. It also encourages people to take out bigger loans and get into bigger debt.  I suppose spending was the whole point, but it is bad policy.

People do need legal certainty.   They also need regulatory certainty.  One thing that Trump has done that has been great is to cut regulations.  The cost to businesses and people in compliance was in the billions of dollars per year.  It still is high, but it is better.  Regulations impact freedoms and are the main cause of business wanting to get into bed with the government. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Offline SiWolKe

  • House Bee
  • **
  • Posts: 305
  • Gender: Female
    • www.VivaBiene.de
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2019, 06:11:53 am »

Offline Ben Framed

  • Super Bee
  • *****
  • Posts: 2606
  • North Mississippi
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2019, 07:41:57 am »


It is very easy to see why Europeans and socialist HATE President Trump. And will do anything,  say anything, dig, make up lies, or even find that he is human and has made moral mistakes, or what ever is necessary to attempt to discredit him. They can't seem to stand the idea of the strong economy, repaied relationships with hostile rogue governments such as N Korea and on and on I could go about the better things he has accomplished. And in only two years! And with enemies fighting him every step of the way, through our own government, crooks and enemies on both sides of the isle, such as the young lady discussed, and crooks and thugs throughout the world!  Now you seem to really love attempting to discredit Americans for electing President Trump by continuously bashing him at any opportunity. Maybe it's time we stop talking about the politics of America and focus in on the politics of your country!  I am thinking there is plenty to uncover in your own country, with your corrupt political groups, and your leaders! Or is that wrong? If so please correct me if your system is perfect!  Do you know that things are so bad in one counrty in particular, that some folks are seeking
to  abandon their fatherland, in order to find a better life in neighboring countries such as Sweden!! ?  Is this President Trumps falt  also?


pixabay.com
The US president has called on European countries to pay their obligations to NATO.

Donald Trump once again called on European countries to pay their obligations to NATO. According to the US president, Europe does not like it, precisely because of its tough tone to the debtors in the Alliance. In front of journalists at the White House, Trump has praised his European politics.

"They say they do not like me in Europe. Europe should not like me if I like it, so I'm not doing my job. Because I want Europe to pay, "said the US president.

Trump recalled that Germany paid four times a lower contribution to NATO. Other European countries have also failed to meet their financial obligations, the head of state said.

"I do not care about Europe. I am not chosen by Europeans, but by American taxpayers. My relationship with European leaders is very good. I am a friend of all, and when I ask them, they even wonder how many years have gone away since they didn't pay their part", the US head of state said.

According to Trump, he can win every responsible post in Europe, but he did not do it because he don't want to.



« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 09:36:17 am by Ben Framed »

Offline Michael Bush

  • Universal Bee
  • *******
  • Posts: 17352
  • Gender: Male
    • bushfarms.com
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2019, 09:22:13 am »
AOC wants to shut down ALL air travel, use only trains, tear down or modify every building in the US in the next ten years.  Go to only renewable energy sources and shut down all use of fossil fuels in the next ten years.  Basically she would destroy the US in the next ten years...  She is either the stupidest person in congress or she is insane.  She is certainly not a rational person.
My website:  bushfarms.com/bees.htm en espanol: bushfarms.com/es_bees.htm  auf deutsche: bushfarms.com/de_bees.htm  em portugues:  bushfarms.com/pt_bees.htm
My book:  ThePracticalBeekeeper.com
-------------------
"Everything works if you let it."--James "Big Boy" Medlin

Offline Ben Framed

  • Super Bee
  • *****
  • Posts: 2606
  • North Mississippi
Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #99 on: February 12, 2019, 09:56:50 am »
AOC wants to shut down ALL air travel, use only trains, tear down or modify every building in the US in the next ten years.  Go to only renewable energy sources and shut down all use of fossil fuels in the next ten years.  Basically she would destroy the US in the next ten years...  She is either the stupidest person in congress or she is insane.  She is certainly not a rational person.

I know Michael, makes me wonder who would make, or use her to be the hero, or an example of a leader, to represent themselves from her district and choose her to represent themselves in Washington! Not even funny this time. Sad.... Hard to believe that Americans Citizens, taught the words of our Constitution, would elect someone of her thinking weather naturalized citizen or immigrants who have become citizens. Especially the latter, being they choose to come here for freedom, and the American way of life; a better way of life. If not, why would they come here in the first place?  How long do they think they will continue this way of life by electing people like AOC? Again SAD...  Just goes back to what was said by our founding fathers, many many years ago. Goodness......