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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #120 on: February 12, 2019, 03:56:00 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #121 on: February 12, 2019, 03:58:45 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.

Ah haa haa haaa! That is funny!! Cracked me up again !!

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2019, 04:24:21 pm »
OH, I forgot. She will also stop climate change and disallow hurricanes, to keep from rocking the pontoons.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #123 on: February 12, 2019, 04:24:39 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.

Ah haa haa haaa! That is funny!! Cracked me up again !!

Let me drive that train - I'll find out if it can smoke!
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #124 on: February 12, 2019, 04:32:58 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.

Ah haa haa haaa! That is funny!! Cracked me up again !!

Let me drive that train - I'll find out if it can smoke!

Alan I'm surprised at you! Don't you think AOC should receive that honor? And thinking about it, maybe we should observe from a distance! Especially if she try's to make it smoke!! Woo wee 😊😁😊

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #125 on: February 12, 2019, 04:39:48 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.

Ah haa haa haaa! That is funny!! Cracked me up again !!

Let me drive that train - I'll find out if it can smoke!

Alan I'm surprised at you! Don't you think AOC should receive that honor? And thinking about it, maybe we should observe from a distance! Especially if she try's to make it smoke!! Woo wee 😊😁😊

Hahaha! You raise a good point Philip. Sometimes I'm just in too much of a hurry to think properly! Le'me have that TRAIN BABY!! :cool:
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2019, 04:50:28 pm »
She's too smart for that, Phillip. She would never waste all that concrete. She will run the rails on helium filled pontoons, but will not allow smoking.

Ah haa haa haaa! That is funny!! Cracked me up again !!

Let me drive that train - I'll find out if it can smoke!

Alan I'm surprised at you! Don't you think AOC should receive that honor? And thinking about it, maybe we should observe from a distance! Especially if she try's to make it smoke!! Woo wee 😊😁😊

Hahaha! You raise a good point Philip. Sometimes I'm just in too much of a hurry to think properly! Le'me have that TRAIN BABY!! :cool:

Well I will hand it to you Alan, you are game!! 😁😁

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2019, 04:52:48 pm »
OH, I forgot. She will also stop climate change and disallow hurricanes, to keep from rocking the pontoons.

Iddee yep, I am thinking she is working on that now. But in the mean time she will probably have extra heavy duty shock asborbets to compensate for the rough ride of the high seas, and magnetized wheels to keep her on track!!  With her smarts, I don't think something like a little Hurricane or typhoon will stop her progress !! This girl has it all!! Very very intellectual?  I just hope she don't use one of those floating islands for a support!!

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2019, 05:07:01 pm »
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I give up. I can?t believe this question.

I can't think of one. 

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No you don?t. You go backwards.

How do we go backwards?

I wonder how much AOC gets for the "documentary" that Netflix just bought?  I assume she will share it with all around her. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2019, 02:41:28 am »
 :grin:
What a discussion!
Well, we don?t want to conquer you, I?m quiet sure. But we want to continue trading with you and I see our government now wants to trade the gas with you despite our fears of supporting fracking, because this is known to start earthquakes and an intervention into nature we don?t know the consequences of. But it all must not be a religion, compromise is necessary.

There is no capitalistic society working without any form of socialism added, if it is only in the opposition. Not even in the U.S.
There is no socialistic society working without any capitalistic  tendencies working either as you can see in China.

And I thing AOC reveals how very fast your U.S. capitalistic system might become a socialistic one party despotism with all the legal corruption present.
Socialistic dictartorships distribute the wealth among their own followers, the elite.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2019, 06:35:50 am »
Sibylle you say "Well, we don?t want to conquer you"
I want to ask, who is we?  Do you mean the European government?  You have told me you don't have a fatherland after WWII, and you consider yourself European. Your political party? If so, tell us your political party please. Or are you referring to Germany? The place that you live?  Or other, who is WE that you are referring to?

"And I thing AOC reveals how very fast your U.S. capitalistic system might become a socialistic one party despotism with all the legal corruption present."

Yes just like in Valenzuela. Yes you are probably right, The lion is always trying to divide the sheep. And Satin is a roaring lion seeking who he may  devour. The great deceiver. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2019, 07:27:33 am »
Keep in mind, Venezuela had their guns removed from the public. Our second amendment is alive and well. 
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #132 on: February 13, 2019, 07:44:44 am »
Keep in mind, Venezuela had their guns removed from the public. Our second amendment is alive and well.

That's right iddee, that is one of the first things that they do, disarm the people, so the people will not have defense against them once they show their true colors.  Hum, it's looks like the leopards are starting to show their spots?  Not in hiding and sneaking in the shadows as much as they use to...  peeking into the light and letting out a roar now and then. Hum  😊😁

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #133 on: February 13, 2019, 11:26:47 am »
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There is no capitalistic society working without any form of socialism added, if it is only in the opposition. Not even in the U.S.
There is no socialistic society working without any capitalistic  tendencies working either as you can see in China.

This is a common confusion in this country and it is the reason young people here are willing to embrace socialism.  Most countries have safety nets that are paid for by the taxpayer.  They are also programs promised in socialist countries.  The difference between a country with socialist programs and a socialist country is that the 1st is paid for with a capitalist economy and the second is not. 

China is a  unique thing at the moment.  They have allowed some seemingly free market things and have left Hong Kong alone.  It is a bit deceptive.  those who have been allowed to make fortunes are those who are friendly to the government.  We commonly refer to them as oligarchs. 
One of the major ways China has made money is by offering companies what is basically slave labor.  They get a lot of money from the company, and in return, the company gets labor that is cheap and guaranteed by the government to work any hours. 
China also steals everything it can get its hands on and uses that slave labor to reproduce things that are then dumped on markets.  They do the same in industries like mining and steel production.

So to say that China is embracing free market behaviors is a little deceptive.  they have a large captive workforce. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2019, 11:33:40 am »
Venezuela is especially interesting because it didn't start out as a socialist takeover.  It started with Hugo promising a lot of free stuff.  It wasn't until he couldn't pay for things that he started nationalizing companies and trying to control the economy. As he destroyed things and people become more unhappy his control expanded to keep people in line.  Wage and price control were part of it. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2019, 12:20:03 pm »
"Maybe now is the time ripe to have social ideas?
No socialist! Social benefits and environment conservation?
Who are we to lecture them''

Who are you to lecture us? Friends, Sibylle is right, this nation will go down to socialism, communism, or globalism if our children are not properly educated in what our nations history has taught us. Noah Webster WROTE our dictionary, listen closely to what he had to say about our sweet children and their education. POWERFUL WORDS And I quote;
 "Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country."Every civil government is based upon some religion or philosophy of life. Education in a nation will propagate the religion of that nation. In America, the foundational religion was Christianity. And it was sown in the hearts of Americans through the home and private and public schools for centuries. Our liberty, growth, and prosperity was the result of a Biblical philosophy of life. Our continued freedom and success is dependent on our educating the youth of America in the principles of Christianity." Noah Webster
 As iddee said, it is our responsibility to inform our children, If we don't who will? There was a time that our children were taught these basic principles in all schools. Even our own fellow citizens of atheists believing knew the principles weather they believed the Bible or not. We were then the "UNITED" STATES OF AMERICA. I will ask, Who is the great divider, the great deceiver? The word says we wrestle not with flesh and blood but spirits and principalities.

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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #136 on: February 14, 2019, 08:09:23 pm »
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You fear that you will be overwhelmed by communists and you will lose everything that you have because you have worked for it, no matter if it is much or not!  It is fear!
But socialism is not communism, social market economy is not socialism.
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No dearest, not even close. What all of us are trying to tell you is that the recipe for socialism is missing an ingredient - it fails to account for the drive of the human spirit. It's not fear we have darling, it's knowledge we have.

Socialism removes the major reward for hard work, and for extraordinary talent. There is a word for those that possess the willingness for hard work, and/or extraordinary talents - these are your "job creators, medical miracle inventors, new technology developers, etc". When that major reward is removed from them, they simply fit into society and do no more than is necessary - because there is no reward. And this begins the downward spiral of failure that accompanies every socialist  Utopian Society.

It's like trying to bake a cake without sugar. And we are all trying "collectively" to open your eyes to this simple fact.

All the best to you.
Hi SiWolke
The replies, well some, have degenerated into the above condescending, patronising and sexist thoughts. Add to that Ben Framed evangelical rants you may wonder why i only now lurk on coffee house! :smile:
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Re: A gift that keeps on giving
« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2019, 11:25:53 pm »
Hi SiWolke
The replies, well some, have degenerated into the above condescending, patronising and sexist thoughts. Add to that Ben Framed evangelical rants you may wonder why i only now lurk on coffee house! :smile:

CIDER we meet at last!!! I've read your work for a year and a half or so - well done!

You had me laughing on this one from the first moment! Here's why:

For several days now, I've gone to bed with questions here answered, only to wake and find a whole new line of questions, often with quotes, and supporting documents, but always from a new angle. It occurred to me [finally] that people must be seeking help from a 3rd party in the off hours. Well, I says to myself "what will they do when the discussions have been answered, the talking points have run out, and they don't like the answers?" (as must happen when facts outweigh wishes) ... so I thought thru "the playbook" that I've learned - and here was the answer that hit me ... "Their gonna call me a racist" [shrug]. (Anyone who knows me would laugh at that). So I realized that the discussions would be considered "lost" by those people, when that word came out - so I've been expecting it ...

... but you threw me a curve-ball and called me "Sexist" instead! Hahaha! Good one!  :cool: :cool: :cool:

Hey - your profile doesn't show a location ... where do.you keep bees?

Thanks
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« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2019, 11:53:38 pm »
''That's right iddee, that is one of the first things that they do, disarm the people, so the people will not have defense against them once they show their true colors.  Hum, it's looks like the leopards are starting to show their spots?  Not in hiding and sneaking in the shadows as much as they use to...  peeking into the light and letting out a roar now and then. Hum''  😊😁

''The replies, well some, have degenerated into the above condescending, patronising and sexist thoughts. Add to that Ben Framed evangelical rants you may wonder why i only now lurk on coffee house!'' :smile:

His words, not mine! Notice he used the word lurk. In order to describe his actions here at the coffee house.
To Lurk a person or animal be or remain hidden so as to wait in ambush for someone or something: a ruthless killer still lurked in the darkness.

See iddee I told you :smile: ......
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« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2019, 02:00:02 am »
who disarmed the german poeple so as to keep them at bay and at their wishes???