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Offline iddee

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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2018, 08:34:05 am »
When bartering, you have to ask for more than you desire to be able to give a bit. He is only ""pandering"" to try to get the "far left" back to the middle.
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2018, 12:53:24 pm »
When bartering, you have to ask for more than you desire to be able to give a bit. He is only ""pandering"" to try to get the "far left" back to the middle.
Pandering to the loony rightists to get the loony leftists back to the middle??? doesn't seem to have worked! :cheesy: 
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2018, 01:39:48 pm »
Seems to be working fine. He makes threats, carries them through, gets relief from the other side, then relinquishes a small bit. They seem to play right into his hands.
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2018, 02:10:58 pm »
Cider,
The KKK was started by Democrats. The Republicans fought against slavery and the Democratics refused to allow the blacks to have rights after the war.
The way the media has twisted this around you would never know it by what they report.
Jim

But for the overwhelming support of Republicans in both houses of Congress, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have failed because a large number of Democrats opposed it.  More than 80 % of Republicans voted for the bill, while about 60% of Democrats favored it.  It took up more than 60 working days for Congress and included the longest filibuster in the history of the Senate (by Democrats).  So how do Democrats now claim the high ground regarding civil rights?  Chutzpah, the big lie, gall-- call it what you will, nobody in MSM calls them on it today.

Granted, the above is all true so far as I've written it, but the parties in those days were different than today.  Democrats in the South had a large hold on their party.  Sen. Robert Byrd (KKK Exalted Cyclops) was a leader of the filibuster, along with Sen. Al Gore Sr.  American politics are not always what they seem and the nuances are bound to be a mystery to anyone not a student of history or who did not live during that time.  I'd say it's probably like us trying to fathom the political history of the UK or Germany.  So you guys over there judge us only when you've done your homework, okay?
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2018, 03:13:30 pm »
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But for the overwhelming support of Republicans in both houses of Congress, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have failed because a large number of Democrats opposed it. 

A civil rights act really as not needed, and it went too far in that it dictated to private business what they could and could not do.  I anyone had used their justice dept to enforce the existing laws and the constitution, that would have been fine.  Bobby Kennedy was particularly reluctant to use Justice to go after the states that were breaking the laws.  As is always the case, we hit the slippery slope and "Civil rights" are now applied to bakers and photographers who wish not to participate in things like gay weddings. 

It was also republican states that gave women the right to vote first, and it was with Republican votes that they got the national right to vote. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2018, 01:32:20 am »

...they do not think that we are exceptional or that we should be or should want to be, they do not think we have a right to limit immigration...

 The argument is no longer over how we should do things that are best for the country, but over how we can change the country.  What used to be fringe is now becoming the popular view among a significant segment of the population. 


When a group of people that go after power and claim only they have the right to all of it, gain that power, what usually happens?

That statement is a bit rich coming from a country with a track record of invading and destroying populist governments as yours.

Such hypocrisy it simply never ceases to amaze. Wish I could show this to a 1930s German or a Libyan in 2011.

Funny you now suddenly want to keep your nation as it was, well suck it up princess you're paying the price for supporting Uncle Stalin.

You ask what the future of your country will look like? Been to South America lately?

You say yourself that leftists tactics are to make a scene instead of use rational argument. So one has to ask why suddenly now at this point in your history, are White men suddenly going around shooting up schools and religious gathering places? This is completely out of character to how they acted for 200 years previously. So what changed? It is obvious these are not organic attacks. The PA shooter was plastered all over the media as a White man. Meanwhile when that Jewish man made 100s of bomb threats towards synagogues earlier this year, the story died the same day it was announded, and his face wasn't seen by anyone. in fact you can't even find a picture of his face.

Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it.


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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2018, 01:46:07 pm »
"Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it."


Stop watching.  Stop listening.  Last time I looked, there was an on/off switch on every tv, radio, etc.
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2018, 02:02:43 pm »
NAA, Keep watching and listening. The more it aggravates you, the better we like it.
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2018, 02:55:54 pm »
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You say yourself that leftists tactics are to make a scene instead of use rational argument. So one has to ask why suddenly now at this point in your history, are White men suddenly going around shooting up schools and religious gathering places? This is completely out of character to how they acted for 200 years previously. So what changed? It is obvious these are not organic attacks. The PA shooter was plastered all over the media as a White man. Meanwhile when that Jewish man made 100s of bomb threats towards synagogues earlier this year, the story died the same day it was announded, and his face wasn't seen by anyone. in fact you can't even find a picture of his face.

Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it.

mass killings are not on the increase and neither is any kind of violent crime.  In fact, it is decreasing.  There are a few places like chicago that are slaughter cities, but they have what they voted for so most of us don't care.

Why was one guy all over the news and the other not?  Well, one actually killed people so....


Yup, I vote for the off switch if you don't want to see stuff.  Unless you live someplace that forces you to watch, you are making the choice to watch.  If you need help finding the off button, PM me the make of the TV and I will help you with that. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
Alexis de Tocqueville

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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2018, 04:31:31 pm »
Big fat  :grin:
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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2018, 11:44:26 pm »

mass killings are not on the increase and neither is any kind of violent crime.  In fact, it is decreasing. There are a few places like chicago that are slaughter cities, but they have what they voted for so most of us don't care.

Why was one guy all over the news and the other not?  Well, one actually killed people so....

We just had another mass killing here in Australia. Nobody believes the statement they are decreasing. Nobody believes also that another terrorist just decided to choose he same day a year later to kill people.

Again, we know your gov has been implicated in radicalizing Islamic youth towards the goal of terrorism, so nobody any longer believes any of these terrorist attacks happening in the west are simply random individuals.

A White guy going into a synagogue and killing elderly people only benefits Jewish supremacists trying to push an agenda.

The only evidence we have people died are the lies the Jewish owned rags spout. Earlier this year that same area went through a shooter drill. It's most likely those elderly died of natural causes and the whole incident was a CIA staged psy op.

If a Jewish man like Michael Ron David Kadar is caught making false threats against synagogues then it is more likely this PA shooting is fake, with the sole purpose of pretending anti-Semitism is a real thing. When the reality is, it's created by Jews for their own internal cohesive benefit.

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Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2018, 02:09:01 pm »
""Don't need help in finding the off button for this place.""

Then why haven't you used it?
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