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« on: August 17, 2018, 08:04:22 pm »
Folks, for the past 10,000 years, since the last ice age, this planet earth has been warming.  However for the past 2 decades, meteorologists have hit the alarm bells claiming GREENHOUSE EFFECT is the cause.

Meteorology is not a true science rather a pseudo science.  The local weatherman {woman} cannot accurately predict weather a week in advance.  The weather on this planet is to complicated for mankind to fully understand.  There is just to much data, North, Pole, South Pole, the equator, the mountain, oceans desserts, on and on, so much data that cannot be fully understood.

Yet to the contrary weather experts claim Greenhouse Effect as if this was a proven well understood fact.  The truth is as stated this planet has slowly been warming for 10,000 years.  There are remaining glaciers from the last ice age and yes they are receding as they are supposed to.

Are people contributing to global warming, yes, no, well maybe.  The truth is we can?t accurately say one way or another what the influence or how much influence modern civilization has on global warming.  What effect on the South Pole does carbon dioxide production in the US: It?s impossible to calculate or determine.

So the next time you hear gloom and doom: global warming, we will all perish, oceans rising, it?s preventable, it?s manmade, it?s all mans fault:::: say yep it?s been slowly going on for 10,000 years and meteorologists just noticed the past 2 or 3 decades that indeed Earth temperatures are rising.

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 08:37:07 pm »
Global warming wasn?t that important until people like Al Gore and governments figured out that they could make a lot of money pretending to try to stop it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 10:17:18 pm »
Bees have air conditioned their hives for 10,000 years. Man finally figured out how they did it, and started using air conditioning in the 1930's. Grandmas have known for a thousand years that chicken soup cures colds. Scientists finally found out how about 20 years ago. Man is so smart, he is totally dumb.Why can a dog eat spoiled meat, but it will kill a human?
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 11:25:05 pm »
Wally, people used to eat spoiled meat and all kinds of spoiled  food.  Then they got away from that because of refrigeration and stuff and they lost the things in their guts that protected them from the bacteria in spoiled food -- well, I've read that they used to have a lot more stinky flatulence than is normal today, but they weren't dying from it.  I used to have a water well that supplied my household water.  I had it tested and it was high in e coli, but it had not affected me or my family.  I guess we had built up a resistance to it.  Anyway, people are pretty resilient, I guess.

As to air conditioning, I grew up in South Texas at a time when movie theaters were about the only places that had air conditioning.  From mid-March to the end of May and September 1  through mid-November, classrooms were sweltering.  Now, those are considered intolerable conditions and even criminals in prisons are protected from such "unconstitutional violations of human rights".

We're living in a different time, my friend. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 09:16:57 am »
We humans like to point the finger at someone or something else when there is evidence staring you right in the face.  Florida is by far the most polluted state in the union and very soon it is going to get much worse.  No where else is there an annual green and blue slime surrounding a large portion of the state.  If you are from the sugar industry you blame it on the cows up north.  If you don't own cows you blame it on the sugar to the south and the old people moving to FL for their retirement years.
I think the scientist are not such fools that they don't know that the earth is warming.  I think the alarm is the rate at which it is warming and the evidence of why that is happening.  Most people don't like restrictions but most people like clean water and air so they are not willing to move to an area or country that doesn't have any restrictions.  So if you take a state like Florida that has three main industries, agriculture, nursing homes, and tourism and one of them is completely shut down due to the pollution, which way will the restrictions go?  Will the people move out or will more restrictions be placed on agriculture?  We only need to look at another state Hawaii, which had a similar pollution problem and also has a strong tourist industry.  They got rid of sugar.  We can get sugar from other countries that don't have any restrictions and avoid living in the pollution.  Unfortunately moving industry to another country doesn't solve global warming it makes it worse because the restrictions are removed.  We saw and see that happening as industries moved to China.  No restrictions and green house gases skyrocket.  Oh yeah, there is evidence.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 04:56:35 pm »
Well, plant more trees to turn the desert into a living "green" lung.   As long as they don't
cut off all the trees in the equator we're still safe for the time being.   It was the people who set off the
fires in CA either on accident or on purpose.  Global warming?  We still have time if everyone is motivated enough to
plant more trees in large quantity.

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2018, 06:12:49 pm »
You're right, chicken little. Global warming is melting the sky and it's falling in droplets. Some idiots say it's only rain, but us smarter ones know it's the sky melting.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2018, 06:46:32 pm »
Ace, your post enlighten me,,,I had no idea.  I hear/read red tide as if it was a natural phenomena in Fl.  Good to know the real facts, thanks Buddy.

What??? We can?t import sugar,, so we pay the highest price compared to other countries, due to well organized sugar lobbyist. Lobbyist should be tarred and feathered, except the NRA.

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2018, 06:49:09 pm »
Van, Ace will agree with you. He will say all lobbyists should be t&f except NRA. He will say they need to be shot.   :cool:   :cheesy:
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2018, 09:32:40 pm »
If the global warming was real Miami, New York City, Jacksonville, New Orleans and every other city on the coasts of every continent would be under water.  They are not. Jacksonxille has always been about 6? above high tide and it has not changed.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2018, 08:51:13 am »
We still have time if everyone is motivated enough to
plant more trees in large quantity.
Man does not need to plant any trees he just needs to stop destroying the ones that nature grows.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2018, 08:55:41 am »
If the global warming was real Miami, New York City, Jacksonville, New Orleans and every other city on the coasts of every continent would be under water.
Jim did that data come from the scientist at Fox news or was that straight from the words of Trump?
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2018, 10:32:19 am »
It came from me. In school we were taught that if the global temperature rose one degree that the oceans would rise significantly. I have been living in Jacksonville since 1985 and it has not changed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2018, 11:19:13 am »
I think that "one" degree is for ocean temps.  Surface temps fluctuate all over the place but the general tendency is that it is on the rise and the rate is increasing.  The oceans have a huge thermal inertia but if the surface temperature continues to rise eventually the oceans will too.  If you wait until you see a problem it will be too late to do anything about it.  The odds are we will all be dead before there is a problem (coastal cities under water) so we can be irresponsible and not have to pay for our mistakes.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

Iddee you got it backwards.  The ski is not falling the earth is rising.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2018, 02:25:10 pm »
Ace, is the above a direct quote from Al Gore, the number one residential polluter in Tenn.?
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2018, 08:49:53 pm »
I don't know.  I never mentioned Al.  You seem to be on his case.  Politicians say and do what works for them.  Most scientist have little political motivation unless a politician is supporting their theory.  So if you can attribute a scientist findings to a politician then ignore his findings.  It doesn't mean he is wrong but a true scientist is not swayed by political gain.  So I will turn off CNN and you turn off FOX and let us make decisions on people who know more then both of us and are not affiliated with the politicians.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2018, 09:49:25 pm »
""Most scientist have little political motivation unless a politician is supporting their theory."

And just where do you think they get their funding for all their research and salaries, if not from the GOV., given to them by the politicians that tell them what ""facts?"" to find?
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2018, 10:51:58 pm »
Wally, I am shocked -- SHOCKED-- that you have such a cynical view of our public servants.  As we all know, they are dedicated to helping the downtrodden and unselfishly devoted to the public welfare.  Surely you must be mistaken if you believe any of them are in our nation's capital for self-aggrandizement.  Please tell me it isn't so, dear iddee.  Tell me it isn't so.
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2018, 06:26:51 am »
PLEASE, Dallas, that crap is even too deep my chest waders, let alone a measly pair of boots.   :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2018, 08:45:17 am »
In the case of global warming, greenhouse effect there is not a lot of research necessary because it is all on public record with the exception of our present administration who refuses to record anything.  He likes to make it up as he goes along with his esteemed third grade level of reading.
Most research is done by private enterprise, or universities funded by private industry and governments.  In the case of governments the credibility increases when multiple governments agree.  In the case of private industry credibility is checked by peer review or government regs.  Private industry is competitive by nature so for any business trying to bring something to market there are 100 other businesses looking over their shoulder.  Most money hungry businesses try to disprove global warming because ultimately it means more regulation.  So yes, by all means follow the money.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2018, 09:04:32 am »
Yes, Ace, I did mention about cutting down the trees.   As long as the population continue to grow people will
need lumbers to build more houses.   How can you stop them from killing more trees?   Planting more tree is my answer.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2018, 12:25:35 pm »


When I was in hellementary school, they were preaching the world would be frozen by 2025.
When my older daughter was the same age, they began preaching flooded coasts and constant hurricanes year 'round by 2012.
When my younger daughter began mandatory indoctrination, the world was due to become an ice planet, because of greenhouse warming, by 2020.
They can't make up their bloody minds, and the ONLY thing that they are consistent about is the alarmism and money-groveling demands for higher taxes.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2018, 07:31:39 pm »
Good post Hops. Most people do not remember that that the earth was supposed to be frozen by now.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2018, 08:11:00 pm »
Planting more tree is my answer.

Beepro most of the trees that take a long time to grow go into furniture.  In the civilized world companies that take down trees are required to replace them.  It is pretty simple math.  The crime doesn't appear until you go to a country with no restrictions.  They can cut down a forest and grow corn to make ethanol.  We as a country support that because it fattens up our fat cats and is done in another country.  There is no way you and I can make up for the destruction by planting trees in our country.  The US is small in comparison to the rain forest in other countries.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2018, 08:13:49 pm »
Most people do not remember that that the earth was supposed to be frozen by now.
I never heard of such nonsense.  Hmm, where did you go to school?
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2018, 09:04:25 pm »
""I never heard of such nonsense.  Hmm, where did you go to school?""

In the good ol' USA. You would know it if you had been around when Ike was president.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2018, 04:25:02 am »
Well Ace, it would have to be a grass root organization to do so in every country not only limiting
to ours.   For this to work everybody who has a concern for our planet's future need to get involve. 
Everybody need to build a platform to execute this "plant a tree" to save our world mission.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2018, 08:25:45 am »
Our Co-operative extension has been selling off trees at a very reduced rate every year as long as I can remember.  We would get 20, two bunches, and plant them all and get them up a couple of feet high and then the deer would eat them to the ground so we stopped doing that.  The simple solution is if the world needs trees stop killing them.  Nature will put back what was destroyed no matter how it was destroyed.  There aren't enough grass roots people in the world that can replace what is lost in one of your forest fires.  However nature can do in 20-30 years without lifting a finger.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2018, 11:01:28 am »
Most people do not remember that that the earth was supposed to be frozen by now.
I never heard of such nonsense.  Hmm, where did you go to school?
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It's not a matter of 'where' we went to school, but 'when'. 
My post was to illustrate the absurdly variable predictions that the so-called "climate scientists" (many of whom have no education in climatology or meteorology) continue to throw at us as "facts".
Each generation has been subject to a new prediction of certain devastation by our own hand unless we submit to their way of thinking and subjugation.  None of these predictions have ever come true, and none ever will. 
Your grandchildren will have new "predictions" thrown at them than you or I had, all for the sake of control of the populus.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2018, 01:44:32 pm »
I seem to recall some popular books on the subject in the 1960s and maybe 1970s, but don't remember the names or the authors' names. 
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2018, 02:16:11 pm »
Our Co-operative extension has been selling off trees at a very reduced rate every year as long as I can remember.  We would get 20, two bunches, and plant them all and get them up a couple of feet high and then the deer would eat them to the ground so we stopped doing that.  The simple solution is if the world needs trees stop killing them.  Nature will put back what was destroyed no matter how it was destroyed.  There aren't enough grass roots people in the world that can replace what is lost in one of your forest fires.  However nature can do in 20-30 years without lifting a finger.

Tell that to the indigenous people in the Amazon basin who are burning forests to clear land for farming so they can feed their families.  At times, the smoke and particulates make it all the way up into the coastal areas of Texas.  I have asthma now as a result of breathing that stuff about 15 years ago when I went south of Austin for a few days and got my lungs filled with crap from South America.  You can't really blame those people for trying to scratch out a living, but there has to be another way.

On the other hand, some forests benefit from fires.  Old trees are not as efficient at processing carbon dioxide as younger trees, for one thing, and the fire burns off the dead stuff on the forest floor.  Some seeds require fire in order to germinate.  If the forest service people could practice good management without political interference, the forests would be better off.  Travelling through the Northwest, I've seen vast areas of pines killed off by pine bark beetles carrying a virus or something from tree to tree.  If lumber companies could harvest those dead or dying trees, they wouln't have to import any lumber and sunlight would get to the seedlings that are coming up.  Forestry is really a complicated field and I have almost no understanding of it.  You may be an expert in that science, Ace, but somehow I doubt it.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2018, 03:32:56 pm »
It seems as though everyone is on their favorite soap box.  Fact: if a tree burns or rots the exact thing happens but at a different speed, sooner or later the same elements return to the earth or atmosphere.  The main difference is that we can't see or sense the gases so we think "It ain't happening".  But in the grander scheme of things it all evens out.

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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2018, 04:19:16 pm »
It seems as though everyone is on their favorite soap box.  Fact: if a tree burns or rots the exact thing happens but at a different speed, sooner or later the same elements return to the earth or atmosphere.  The main difference is that we can't see or sense the gases so we think "It ain't happening".  But in the grander scheme of things it all evens out.

You are correct about all the elements being returned to the soil, but I would rather be around a rotting tree than one that's burning -- unless it's burning in a barbecue pit :cool:.  Love that BBQ.
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It seems that any climate scientist who is retired is willing to say what they think.  The ones who still have a career ahead of them are not so prone to be forthcoming.

Here are 25 NASA scientist, most of which are now retired on Global warming:


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I was watching a show the other day about a massive, for the times, city in what is now Il.  How were they able to support such a concentration of people in that area?  Well, they looked at tree rings to get a clue and found that around 900 AD the weather was so much warmer in that area that they were able to grow crops like corn year around.  Can you grow corn in Il in winter now?

Climate change also probably helped lead to the downfall of that same civilization as it has for other civilizations.  Climates change.  People adapt, move, or die. 
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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2019, 08:07:20 pm »
I was reading an article about the 2007 prediction that polar bear would go extinct in 10 years due to climate change/warming. Back then they claimed there were only 10,000 polar bears in the world. Because of this scare, they were put on the endangered species list. Today?s very conservative figure is 50,000. The author believes that the true number is around 70,000.
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An article on Global warming.  Note the dates.
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Global Warming; 31,487 Scientists say NO to Alarm
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Re: Global warming, greenhouse effect, we are all gonna die. NOT.
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2019, 06:20:32 pm »
An article on Global warming.  Note the dates.


Great post Mr. Bush, just like Hops said, every decade the same argument.  The only difference is the date is rolled forward as the decades pass.
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I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

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Re: Global warming, greenhouse effect, we are all gonna die. NOT.
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2019, 08:36:29 pm »
Great post Michael. Every American student should be required to watch this. Oh yea, the left controls our schools so that will never happen.
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Re: Global warming, greenhouse effect, we are all gonna die. NOT.
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2019, 05:55:38 am »

Man does not need to plant any trees he just needs to stop destroying the ones that nature grows.
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He has in a way, everything business wise use to be done on paper, now mostly on computer.
I doubt most folks would not know how to fill out a recipe or maybe even how to write a letter? Like Jim says, the beaches are still the same where the tide water meets them. Or Chicken Little Effect; Maybe the land is sinking?
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Re: Global warming, greenhouse effect, we are all gonna die. NOT.
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2020, 12:35:08 am »
Is the extra heat and drought of global warming adding better nectar supplies for your bees this spring?  :shocked:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.