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Offline excc309

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German Black Bees for sale in the US
« on: January 31, 2018, 11:13:28 am »
Looking for a queen or package of these bees...not having much luck.  Any sources that you know of?

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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2018, 09:23:47 pm »
I doubt that you will find any. They are darn near extinct. Only a few pockets of them left, In Australia or New Zeland I think.
They are a very agressive bee.
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2018, 09:38:53 pm »
Scotland and England still have them.  It would be too far to get them though.  Beekeepers don't like those
aggressive bees.   Try to search for friends of the black bees online.   I once subscribed to a newsletter but nothing
has send out to me since 2 years ago.

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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2018, 10:28:41 pm »
I see some black or very dark bees working flowers in my yards sometimes, but think they are feral bees.  They look a little smaller than Italian bees.  What I'm seeing are not solitary bees, but dark bees all over my sage blossoms.  Could these be what you are referring to and the kind that first were brought to America?
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 12:38:55 am »
American Indians called them white man?s flies. They did not like them at all.
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018, 01:16:55 am »
Especially when the flies stung them.  Understandable. :cool:
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018, 08:47:21 am »
>"American Indians called them white man's flies"

This always traces back to Thomas Jefferson.  I can't find any other source nor his source.  Lakota have real names (not made up names like European things) for honey bees, honey and beeswax.  One of our words for bee is "wichayazipa". Beeswax is "wichayazipa wigli" which means literally "bees fat". Bumble bee is Wichayazipa hinsma. Honey bee is "wichayazipa thunkce" which can also mean honey bee. That is as opposed to words like "wichayazipa zi" (yellow jacket) and "chanhanpi" (sugar).  We did not call them "white man's flies" and we have old stories about honey bees.  I suppose it's possible to explain those stories as originally being about ants and adapted to bees... but I don't think so.
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018, 02:45:14 pm »
Scotland and England still have them.  It would be too far to get them though.  Beekeepers don't like those aggressive bees. 

Perfectly correct on all counts.  It's true that in mainland UK we still have some of their genes in the form of mongrels, but no-one in their right mind wants to keep AMM.  From a beekeeping perspective they have absolutely nothing going for them: small colonies returning poor honey yields and far too over-defensive.  Inspections are a nightmare - clouds of bees in your face, which then follow for a hundred yards or more long after the inspection is over.  Quite possibly the world's worst bee.
There are AMM enthusiasts in the extreme SW of England, and in Northern Scotland who are attempting to revive AMM stocks - but they're amateurs with an ecological agenda.  No commercial beekeeper or serious hobbyist would want to keep such bees.
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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 10:58:44 pm »
There is a guy in Mississippi selling Russians that are all black.  I'm pretty sure they are not "pure" Russians, but he belongs to the RHBBA.
I bought a few nucs from him last year. 
Some were aggressive, most were not.

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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2018, 10:22:41 pm »
I had one hive of black bees when I was a teenager They were MEAN and ugly.  You didn't make eye contact with them.  The "old timers" called them Native bees, but later I learned different.  Now I have a hive of black feral bees in a tree on my property.  I see them when I am feeding and have "Beelined" them to few large oak trees but never tried to find the exact location.  I caught two swarms in traps this week, the middle of March, one of them was about 200 yards from the trees and the other swarm is about a quarter mile from the black bees.  They have little hair and are shiny black and a little bit smaller than the "Italian bees I caught in the traps.  I would like to have one hive of the blacks for old time sake.

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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2018, 02:10:36 am »
So how are their temperament?   Interesting that they are not mutt with the Italians already within the
same area.   Maybe one day you can pin point their location to propagate some if they are not the mean bees.

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Re: German Black Bees for sale in the US
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2018, 08:31:20 am »
Scotland and England still have them.  It would be too far to get them though.  Beekeepers don't like those aggressive bees. 

Perfectly correct on all counts.  It's true that in mainland UK we still have some of their genes in the form of mongrels, but no-one in their right mind wants to keep AMM.  From a beekeeping perspective they have absolutely nothing going for them: small colonies returning poor honey yields and far too over-defensive.  Inspections are a nightmare - clouds of bees in your face, which then follow for a hundred yards or more long after the inspection is over.  Quite possibly the world's worst bee.
There are AMM enthusiasts in the extreme SW of England, and in Northern Scotland who are attempting to revive AMM stocks - but they're amateurs with an ecological agenda.  No commercial beekeeper or serious hobbyist would want to keep such bees.
LJ
BIBBA is the organization dedicated to restoring AMM in the uk.
These folks are hardly amatuers.
The genetics of AMM are well suited for UK.
Having worked these bees and knowing a lot of the breeders, I could not disagree more with your assessment.
Characteristics include
Short mating flights
Extreme build up for flow
High disease resistance
Hygienic
Frugal

One man I know in Ireland averages 200 lbs per hive in a 12 day period which is his only serious flow. He runs 400 hives.

Steve Rose is another Wales breeder. Might be one of the best in UK running 500 or so in the highlands, incredible breeder and genetically documented from university, is very successful.

F1 regression is a problem as with any bee especially Russians here in us.

Dont confuse bleep breeders with a bad genetic.

Sue Colby went to great lengths to acquire these genetics and are a big part of her new world carniolan stock.

Not sure where you get your Info but I can assure you the BIBBA people are as serious as it gets when it comes to breeding. And are quite successful.

Take a look at dave-cushman.net and search out their breeder selection record sheets. You might be surprised at a few things.

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