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Offline Dallasbeek

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Texas church shooting
« on: November 11, 2017, 12:46:45 pm »
Dallas Morning News page 1 story today says the survivors of the church shooting at Sutherland Springs Baptist Church are arming up and even one of the pastors is getting a concealed carry permit so they will no longer be vulnerable to the threat of a violent lunatic like they were a week ago.  They say a good man with a gun stopped a bad man with a gun and don't believe more stringent gun laws would prevent similar violence in the future.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2017, 02:10:16 pm »
About a year ago I heard a pastor in Jacksonxille was asking several of his members to carry and situated them in stragic locations in the church to pprotect the congregation.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2017, 02:22:46 pm »
On the one hand it is very sad that it has come to this but on the other hand I'd feel safer in that church.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2017, 05:05:55 pm »
Yup.  society is broken.  All we can do is be prepared.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 01:22:27 am »
I know I go to church at ...There are several people with concealed weapons in the congregation ... 

   
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2017, 07:25:15 am »
Come on ace. I want your opinion on this one!

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2017, 09:46:49 am »
Come on ace. I want your opinion on this one!
No you don't.  There aren't enough good guys to protect me from a mentally deranged bad guy for every place I want to go.  There are too many armed guards in my life as it is.  More guns will not solve a problem of guns getting in the wrong hands.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2017, 09:55:48 am »
One thing you have to admit, Ace. he good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more, that day or ever.

 If a couple or more had been carrying in the church, the number shot would likely be 5 or 6, rather than 40 plus.

One gun in the wrong hand and 3 in the right hands is many times better than 2 in the wrong hands and none in the right hand.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2017, 11:03:26 am »
Ace you had better go hide in the woods somewhere then. Cause you ain?t gonna get the guns outa the bad guys hands.

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2017, 01:30:38 pm »
Here?s a feel good story for ya Ace.


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Texas church shooting
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2017, 01:34:16 pm »
Here?s a spoof one. But thought I might rub it in a little.

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2017, 02:10:01 pm »
One more good  one.

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2017, 02:25:46 pm »
Ok. One more than I?m done. This one made my jaw drop.



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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2017, 04:48:47 pm »
One thing you have to admit, Ace. he good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more, that day or ever.

Technically no.  A bad guy killed another bad guy.
What would have made a difference is if the gun law that was in place was followed NO ONE would have been killed and that is a fact that you will never admit.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2017, 04:58:59 pm »
One thing you have to admit, Ace. he good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more, that day or ever.

Technically no.  A bad guy killed another bad guy.
What would have made a difference is if the gun law that was in place was followed NO ONE would have been killed and that is a fact that you will never admit.
And a fact that you will never admit, is you won?t stop a bad guy from getting a gun! That?s as clear as the nose on your face.

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2017, 05:01:59 pm »
Cause you ain?t gonna get the guns outa the bad guys hands.

It makes it tougher to do when the good guy turns bad and gets cheered on.  As these scenarios continue the good guys will lose more of their freedoms not less.  The civilized world has changed away from the wild, wild west.  Things are not decided by gun rule on the spot anymore unless you are a drug lord or in a gang.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2017, 05:04:32 pm »
And a fact that you will never admit, is you won?t stop a bad guy from getting a gun!

Why would I admit something that isn't true?
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2017, 05:19:51 pm »
""What would have made a difference is if the gun law that was in place was followed NO ONE would have been killed and that is a fact that you will never admit.""

Are you dreaming or just kidding??  If the laws in place were followed we wouldn't need a police force at all. As long as there are humans living, there will be laws broken and a need for people to respond to it.  A force equal to or superior to the lawbreaker's will always be needed, whether a gun or a super lazer, or just a human's muscle.
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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2017, 06:03:05 pm »
One thing you have to admit, Ace. he good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more, that day or ever.

Technically no.  A bad guy killed another bad guy.
What would have made a difference is if the gun law that was in place was followed NO ONE would have been killed and that is a fact that you will never admit.
So the only ?good guy? is the one who sits there like a baby?  Would have used another word, but there?s ladies on this forum.
The only ?good guy? is one who does nothing to defend the life of another?

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Re: Texas church shooting
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2017, 07:07:11 pm »
One thing you have to admit, Ace. he good guy with a gun stopped him from killing more, that day or ever.

Technically no.  A bad guy killed another bad guy.
What would have made a difference is if the gun law that was in place was followed NO ONE would have been killed and that is a fact that you will never admit.

Where is the evidence that Stephen Willeford was a bad guy?  He did everything right, down to having his guns in a safe that he went to when his daughter alerted him to the shooting.  Maybe because he's a plumber?  Or is it because he's a former NRA shooting instrctor?  What gives Ace the right to decide who's a bad guy and who's a (dead, probably) good guy?
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