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« Reply #420 on: March 24, 2020, 02:27:24 pm »
 >It won't be over, but hopefully, it will be on the decline and be just another normal happening, like flu and pneumonia.
    Nothing to upset the whole world over.

    Right iddee, especially if Chloroquine is made readily available. .

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« Reply #421 on: March 25, 2020, 11:07:07 am »
Hi Folks,

Walking Dead???!!!

I just saw Rita Wilson, Tom Hank's Wife. They both have the flu. She was all made up, looking good, staying home, .. rappin like I don't know what. Her lungs seem fine. Apparently, neither she nor her husband are dead yet.

Go down and click on her, Rita Wilson. Poor thing.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/03/24/socialists-praise-comrade-britney-spears-pushing-wealth-distribution-during-pandemic/

BTW: Justin Trudeau was on C-Span yesterday. He looks good too. He said nothing about any family members having died from the flu,...yet.

We weren't fooled,... again,...were we?

Sal

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« Reply #422 on: March 25, 2020, 02:50:41 pm »
Sal, with the proper medication, there are reports of older folks fully recovering. Van covered the medication very well in another topic and post. My hat is off to MR VAN FROM ARKANSAS for his VALUABLE input and shared knowledge about this. I also want to thank The15Member and BAABEEs and others for their input on this.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 03:26:48 pm by Ben Framed »
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« Reply #423 on: March 25, 2020, 04:28:09 pm »
Sal,
This is not a drill.
But the data is sketchy, unreliable, biased, distorted. Pick a word.
Facts from my circle:I live in Suffolk county, say 40 miles east of NYC. This county ranks high on the number of reported cases.My wife is a nurse. She has friends as nurses, doctors, Nurse practitioners, etc. representing several Long Island hospitals.To use Dr. Faucci's words - anecdotal evidence, not wholly based in reliable data.
Protective equipment is either scarce, not distributed appropriately, or being hoarded, etc. Governor Cuomo misled the public today. Health care workers in hospital settings ARE NOT adequately protected across the board.Not all New Yorkers believe that the economic cost to save every life is worth it. I do not. 80 year old people die. Sorry if that sounds cold. I am 61. If my time is up - at least I had a good run so far.
People on ventilators are not doing well. Death seems to be the more typical outcome of being put on respirators. Others experience flu like illnesses in severity and duration.
Testing statistics are unreliable. Direct contacts, (not friends of friends), with symptoms are being denied testing. So the number of cases are under reported.The rate of recovery is also under reported - or I cannot explain the criteria for such designation.Known coworkers have recovered, yet the number recovered shows none to date.Temperatures seem to rise, abate, rise and then abate again during the healing process. Think M shaped during recovery.





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« Reply #424 on: March 25, 2020, 11:10:59 pm »
Hi Folks,

I live in Massachusetts, home of Mike Dukakis, John Kerry, and Lizzie Warren.  I?ve worked for and in government since 1981. I?ve worked for the State, Dept. of Revenue (under Dukakis). There were a few mantras: ?Never kill the job. If we don?t spend it, we won?t get level funded. Never let a good crisis go to waste?. I?m still involved.

No one has the whole story on this year?s flu. No one, as yet, has all the scientific data to make ?best decisions?. As I think you alluded, we?re only getting ?best guesses and opinions? so far. There is no truth.

Inco, I?ve got a few years on you. I?ve seen too many lies and omissions in the past few years, about BS. In my personal circle, people and media are both overtly and cunningly manipulative. You get only their spin on any issue.

These numbers are from tonight: In Massachusetts we have a population of about 7 million. We tested 19,794 people. We have:

1,838 confirmed cases, 9.3% of those tested;

15 deaths, .82% of confirmed cases (most, elderly, as you said, with pre-existing issues);

103 people have been hospitalized, 5.6% of those confirmed cases,

This is BOSTON! All elective surgery has been postponed (except abortions don't ya know). Can a mere 103 patients, in BOSTON create a bottle neck? Really?

Yet, our politicians mislead us with hyperbole. ?Hospitals are over-run. We?re keeping up with funerals?. (Male 80?s, Male 80?s, Male 70?s, Female 70?s) ??Never mind the under lying conditions. What if it was your relative??

They don?t want more tests. It makes statistics more accurate.

Incognito, I?m pretty much saying the same as you. I?m just more jaded.

State and local tax revenues have collapsed, screeching halt, kaput!

THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM TRUMP! HE WILL FINALLY LOSE OR LEAVE! WE ALL HATE HIM!

These people will impoverish the country.

There were 2,023 drug overdose deaths in Massachusetts in 2019. No one cares.

There have been 56 auto fatalities in Massachusetts since January 1, 2020. Nobody?s banning cars.

Government loves chaos. Let those prisoners out! Don't arrest for drugs and burglary. Illegals have different laws. Resist ICE. Open borders.

This catastrophe is bogus.

Sal


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« Reply #425 on: March 26, 2020, 02:43:47 pm »
Hi Folks,

Just came in for lunch. 48 degrees, sunny, bees out. I'm practicing social distancing.

Anyway; More lies, darned lies, and statistics. Please click the link:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-our-leaders-the-media-lie-about-potential-treatment-for-coronavirus-when-we-need-the-truth

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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #426 on: March 26, 2020, 05:14:00 pm »
Nurses wearing garbage bags for protection is real.


They are not just posing.
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« Reply #427 on: March 27, 2020, 12:14:47 am »
Hi Folks,

OMG!!! DNR????

(CNN)As the coronavirus pandemic continues to sweep the United States, some hospitals are considering whether to make changes to policies and practices when it comes to do-not-resuscitate situations.

And we have to discourage it,... on national TV.

What are they up to? Is this funny? Please click the link. This is funny: Caution! DARK HUMOR!!!



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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #428 on: March 27, 2020, 07:55:47 pm »
Lots of lies, some truths, all in one song.

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« Reply #429 on: March 27, 2020, 09:50:59 pm »
Hi Folks, Tsquared, Troutdog,

I never cared for that original My Sharona song. I listened to it though.

TD. Just because I'm from Taxachusetts doesn't mean I fit the general perceptions of the state political leanings. I think, though, that what you read was not what I meant. I should have used quotation marks. Those capitalized statements were sarcasm. I was implying that liberal politicians feel this way.

I'm glad you're both interested, if not yet passionate about the political paths our country may take in the future.

Read what you can. Take from it what you want. Determine who wrote it/said it, and why they wrote it. Maybe it's a lie.

Anyway, this thread is for big lies. You decide if it's a lie. What is truth to you is a lie for someone else.

Tell me some lies,... but make em good lies.

And don't hate me because I'm good looking.

Sal


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« Reply #430 on: March 29, 2020, 05:49:50 pm »
Hi Folks,

Cold and rainy here today. I hope your in warm sunshine.

This just in from the Boston Globe, a progressive newspaper:

Why does it seem the rich and famous get tested for coronavirus while others don?t? It?s complicated.
Some celebs and politicians have received tests and results within hours, while others have coughed and stressed for over a week.

Dennis Magnasco, a 32-year-old Harvard University graduate student from Somerville, was tested for COVID-19 on March 18 as he battled a hacking cough, high fever, and shortness of breath. Nine days later, he was still waiting for the results.

Meantime, he watched others, including Harvard?s president, Lawrence S. Bacow, US Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart, and state health commissioner Dr. Monica Bharel receive tests and results in a mere fraction of the time. Smart had no symptoms, Pressley was feverish, Bacow and his wife had fevers and chills, and Bharel described her illness as mild.

?Most people would argue that in a time of pandemic, the most important thing is for people to trust the advice their government and their doctors are giving them,? said George Annas, director of the Center for Health Law, Ethics and Human Rights at Boston University?s School of Public Health.


Yeah! Right! I'm from the government,... and I'm here to help.

I went to a local supermarket today. Everyone polite, social distance. The young staff were all helpful to the extreme. The elder staff were efficient and businesslike. A kid, and an old retiree, are helping me!

Stopped at my usual gas station/convenience store on the way home. Got a coffee. Paid the tab. Staff pleasant but serious, bewildered, keeping distance as well as could be. These brave people, and other LOW WAGE PEOPLE are barely keeping America going, putting their health on the line. Thanks to them all. Even the ones we don't see. Thank you. Keep calm and carry on!

If you have friends or relatives that are out doing their jobs, tell them Sal says Thanks.

BTW: In case you hadn't heard. Tom Hanks or Trudeau didn't die. It's the FLU, a bad FLU.

Sal
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« Reply #431 on: March 30, 2020, 09:25:49 am »
>I went to a local supermarket today. Everyone polite, social distance. The young staff were all helpful to the extreme.
  The elder staff were efficient and businesslike. A kid, and an old retiree, are helping me!
  Stopped at my usual gas station/convenience store on the way home. Got a coffee. Paid the tab. Staff pleasant but
  serious, bewildered, keeping distance as well as could be. These brave people, and other LOW WAGE PEOPLE are barely
  keeping America going, putting their health on the line. Thanks to them all. Even the ones we don't see. Thank you. Keep
  calm and carry on!

  Yes, it is always the front liners that are the heros, and usually receive the less credit or appreciation many times.

>BTW: In case you hadn't heard. Tom Hanks or Trudeau didn't die. It's the FLU, a bad FLU.
  Sal

  I do not know, nor can I prove it, but it's a pretty good chance they had the medication Chloroquine or
  Hydroxychloroquine made available to them before others. It's kind of like the test you mentioned above Sal.
  Unfortunately it is just the way it is. Not to my liking may I add. President Trump announced. that 1100 patients in NY
  are now being given these drugs and are being watched closely.  As Mr Van helped us understand this has already been
  proven in China and South Korea.
  I do not know if this drug is readily available here in America. As you may know, Ninety Percent of our drugs are now
  manufactured in China.
  The practice of foreign dependency of pharmaceuticals has to be changed in my opinion. I will end there. Enough politics
  from me for a while. lol

   

« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 09:36:17 am by Ben Framed »
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« Reply #432 on: March 31, 2020, 12:04:23 am »
Below is an article written by Jamie White. It it True or False?

BY, Jamie White

"The mainstream media descended into a rage when My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell announced during the daily White House corona task force briefing that he has repurposed his factories to produce tens of thousands of surgical face masks for medial workers.
Lindell was one of several CEOs to join the coronavirus task force briefing on Monday to announce that his factories have begun producing 10,000 face masks a day with plans to ramp up production to over 50,000 a day.

But talking heads and ?journalists? from The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC and others exploded in outrage that Lindell, a Trump supporter and Christian, would dare invoke God and offer his expertise to help during this unprecedented crisis.

Rather than celebrate this example of the private sector stepping up in this hour of need for the nation, the media is more focused on bashing anybody aligned with the Trump administration or its effort to help the American people.
In another example, the media demonized President Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine as a potential remedy for combating the coronavirus before the FDA quickly approved of the drug for emergency treatment on Monday.

A collection of MSM talking heads and leftist are wishing for a recession and more corona-virus deaths so Trump can be voted out of office"
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #434 on: March 31, 2020, 11:18:56 am »
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-mocks-wh-appearance-of-my-pillow-guy-mike-lindell-despite-contribution-to-virus-fight

Thanks Iddee. I read your article and what some of the main stream quacks had to say. Are these reporting people on the left totally nut jobs?  Here this man Mike Lindell, volunteering his company to make mask. To save lives, and all these nuts can do is criticize the President for it?  Surely once and for all our left leaning friends can finally see the truth? Surely not all folks on the left are so blind as to follow these leftist news folks? Putting it bluntly. Sad isn?t it?  😔
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #435 on: March 31, 2020, 11:22:26 am »
Let me add, to criticize President and Mr Lindell for doing good seems to be past nut jobs. Are these people flat out evil? 
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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« Reply #436 on: March 31, 2020, 11:49:21 am »
One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #437 on: March 31, 2020, 06:18:13 pm »
Hi Folks,

A complicated man once said:

The media?s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that?s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. If you aren?t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

Makes one wonder, some of us in late stages in our lives, just how much of what we know is actually a pile lies.

Sal



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« Reply #438 on: April 01, 2020, 05:23:07 am »
Hi Folks,

A complicated man once said:

The media?s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that?s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. If you aren?t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

Makes one wonder, some of us in late stages in our lives, just how much of what we know is actually a pile lies.

Sal
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« Reply #439 on: April 01, 2020, 01:39:27 pm »

>One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group.

Thank you Kathy for the good information. I also thank you for your service to our fellow man.
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.