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« Reply #280 on: March 13, 2019, 03:11:37 pm »
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.
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« Reply #281 on: March 13, 2019, 03:27:41 pm »
I, for one do not want to see secession by any State. I would rather that State which seems to have went rogue from the document of our United States Constitution, would simply rerun to the love of the Constitution, ,thus, the Nation. But unfortunately they don't seem to be in this frame of mind.  Just as Believing in God and his Holy Son Jesus, which was accepted by many Americans,  and a vital part of America is being rejected by many. Our Holy God does not force individuals to believe in him or force them to worship him. He displayed his love to every man, woman, and child via his Sons time here, always to the Cross. Which was A labor of pure love. We each have a choice to believe or reject. This love told to us by four witnesses who lived walked and talked to and with Jesus and written in Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. As far as the legalities of states forced to comply with the  Constitution , I'm not educated enough. Prehaps others will chime in. I do know this has been tried here before and led to a Civil war.

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« Reply #282 on: March 13, 2019, 03:28:42 pm »
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.

That's right iddee, thank you!

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« Reply #283 on: March 13, 2019, 03:33:24 pm »
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Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Because we are a nation of states.  Our federal government was not meant to do most of what it is doing.  Most powers were to be left to the states.  In that way, people could design the type of governance they wanted.

"Under God" is simply a reminder that our rights are from our creator.  Why?  Because again, it removes the government.  If the government did not give us rights, it can not take those rights from us.  We were born with them.  Additionally, all free nations have based their laws on Judeo-Christian tenets.  When they have strayed from those basics they have gotten in trouble.  French revolution, Germany, etc. 

You don't have to believe in (A) God to be in the club, but you should recognize the value of not being controlled/ruled and the genesis of that kind of government. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #284 on: March 13, 2019, 03:42:41 pm »
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #285 on: March 13, 2019, 06:28:35 pm »
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
Why do you say "the liberal states"try to make other states like them, do the rightist states not try the same?
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'Conservative' Is Not the Opposite of 'Liberal'
A short rant about the language we use to talk about politics

Arthur Holtz
Feb 22, 2017


It drives me nuts how people in the United States use the words 'liberal' and 'conservative' to describe the political spectrum as if the two are complete opposites. I don't think they are necessarily so. The proper opposite of liberal is illiberal, whereas the proper opposite of the word conservative is something along the lines of reformist.

To explore, let's start off with the word I find easier to define: Conservative. You might associate conservative with concepts like a market economy and religiousness, but I don't think those have to be core components of conservatism. To explain why, let's look at the word's origin.

Conservative comes from the Latin conservare, which can be translated as 'to keep intact' or 'to preserve or maintain.' There's nothing about the word conservative that implies support for markets or religion. Conservative simply means you want to conserve the way things are. Makes sense, right?

Moving on to the other piece of the puzzle, liberal refers to an adherent of liberalism, the ideology born of the Enlightenment. I won?t bore you with a long-winded history or philosophy lesson (for which I am unqualified to lecture on anyway) but here is what you need to know: Liberalism, as formulated by its originators in the 17th and 18th centuries, emphasizes the liberty of individuals.

By these definitions, liberal and conservative are not mutually exclusive. If you currently live in a liberal society ' that is, one that upholds the ideals of liberalism' and you want to keep things that way, one could reasonably describe you as simultaneously liberal and conservative without any contradiction.

Using those same definitions, you can also see how strange it is to use conservative as the opposite of liberal, and vice-versa. The proper opposite of conservative is someone who embraces changing the status quo. I don't think there's even a word for that in English. Reformist or progressive are the closest things I can think of, but they don't strike me as quite the right words. If anyone knows a better one, please tell me!

Similarly, the proper opposite of a liberal is someone who rejects the tenets of liberalism. There are numerous -isms opposed to liberalism, and you've probably heard of most of them. To name just a few, there is monarchism, totalitarianism, fascism, socialism, communism, and so on. We can describe these philosophies or their adherents as illiberal, although one should recognize that word often carries negative connotations.

I know this all sounds incredibly nitpicky, but can we please be more careful in our use of the words liberal and conservative? It's always difficult to argue for linguistic prescription since language doesn't arise through executive fiat, but I still feel the way I use liberal and conservative is more consistent with the words origins. In the interest of conserving their meanings, I hope you will consider not using them so liberally.

Inspired by Friedrich Hayek's 'Why I Am Not a Conservative'
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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #286 on: March 13, 2019, 09:44:46 pm »
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #287 on: March 14, 2019, 03:20:05 pm »
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
Doesn't mess it up for me  :smile: but certainly seems a can of worms :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
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« Reply #288 on: March 14, 2019, 05:32:30 pm »
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but certainly seems a can of worms

Nah, this is one of those places where you have to have followed the evolution of hijacked terms.  It's in the vein of the oft-repeated untruth that somewhere along the line the Republican and Democrat parties switched.  This did not happen although it is true that the Republicans have gone left rather than the Democrats going right.  That's why I don't ID with a party line.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #289 on: March 16, 2019, 08:40:27 am »
Hi Folks,

WOW!

Anywayyyyy. Back to the lies.

Chelsea Clinton is berated by Muslim NYU students who blame HER for New Zealand mosques attack because she 'incited an Islamophobic mob' against Rep Ilhan Omar

What ever happened to The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Tribalism apparently works? Is this what peace looks like in the Middle East? Who are these people?

What happened to the great melting pot? What happened to lots of stuff? What happened to being American FIRST? What happened to respect for each other?

Poor US!

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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #290 on: March 16, 2019, 08:30:43 pm »
Hi Folks,

Membah this?

20 killed, dozens wounded in Philippines church bombings
By Madeline Holcombe and Virma Simonette, CNN
Updated 7:32 PM ET, Sun January 27, 2019


(CNN)Two bombs tore through a Roman Catholic cathedral in southern Philippines on Sunday, killing at least 20 people and leaving dozens wounded, authorities said.

ISIS on Sunday claimed responsibility for the bombings via its Amaq News Agency. Shortly after the Amaq report, ISIS' "East Asia Province" also issued a formal communique for the twin suicide bombings.

I didn't think so.

By the way. How come the font size and color aren't working anymore???? It's not paranoia when they're really after you.

Was it something I said? Or just the way I said it?

I'm old! I hate that small print.

Sal



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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #291 on: March 16, 2019, 08:46:06 pm »
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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Re: Big Lies
« Reply #292 on: March 17, 2019, 01:31:58 am »
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
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« Reply #293 on: March 18, 2019, 07:06:22 am »
N E V E R M I N D
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« Reply #294 on: March 18, 2019, 08:52:32 am »
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« Reply #295 on: March 19, 2019, 10:19:15 am »
>I'm old! I hate that small print.

Hold down the control key and roll your scroll wheel up or press "+" and the text will get bigger on any windows system running Chrome or IE or Firefox...
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« Reply #296 on: March 19, 2019, 05:46:03 pm »
On a Mac, press the command button and the + button.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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« Reply #297 on: March 20, 2019, 09:46:00 am »
Hi Folks,

Happy International Day of Happiness day!

Please turn up your speakers and click the link for the Have a Nice Day song:



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They really are after me, you know.
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« Reply #298 on: March 20, 2019, 08:41:41 pm »
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.

Recently we've all become too aware of the lies we've been told over the years. Some are whoppers. Others simply frustrating because we know they are lies. How can they say such things?

Let's recall some of those "unforgettable" little gems from the past. I want to see the ones that make us smile,... groan,... face palm. I want to see the big ones and the little ones. You can tell us who said it,... or wait to see who knows who said it. Try to only post one or two at a time. Post your best. We all know a ton of 'em, but give the next poster a chance to present his jewel. Too many all in the same post diminishes the impact of all of them.

I'll start out with a great one:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
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I know its a bit late, but I didn't either :cheesy:
Sad I know to be reading old posts :rolleyes:
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« Reply #299 on: April 02, 2019, 07:20:40 pm »
Have we had this one yet? 

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