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Offline bwallace23350

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Michael Flynn
« on: February 15, 2017, 12:00:21 am »
I have not followed this really but what is everyone's thoughts on it?

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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 02:53:39 pm »
People with access to NSA recordings are listening to (recordings) of Trump's calls and his staff's calls.  The Presidents phone is currently tapped by American intelligence agencies.

They then leak the details to the press.

The spy could be holdover Obama appointees now full fledged government employees, NSA/FBI/CIA/name that spy agency who don't like Trump, neverTrumpers or the Russians.

It is perceived that the leakers are trying to damage the Trump Presidency.  The leaks generally are to press agencies who are liberal.

Flynn may or may not have had a conversation with the Russian Minister that items of great substance were discussed.  Since the conversation occurred in December before Trump took office many say it could have not been much.  But he did resign, so, there is more to the story.  Most likely Flynn will not be the last victim of anti-Trump spies, just the first successful one.

The story you are not hearing much of is that some are using American intelligence resources to spy on the President of the United States and his staff.  This is very bad.

Look for more leaks as Trump and Pompieo try to root out the leaks.  This will be very messy.  Good sites to follow are:  Rantburg.com, Drudge, Breitbart, WAPO, WSJ.  You'll get both sides of the story if you hit them all.  I listed the more Conservative sites first.


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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 03:42:29 pm »
Do you seriously believe they don't eavesdrop on all Presidents? That's being naive in the extreme. The intelligence community have always been a law unto themselves. Successive Governments have let sleeping dogs lie, ie they know where all the skeletons are.    They may now have perceived that Trump is maybe more hot headed than most ,look at his latest tweets! A President that seems to make policy via 'tweets' must be 'Qwackers' surely! (pun intended)  :cheesy: followed by a  :sad: for most peoples future.
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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 11:16:46 pm »
The conversations between incoming and foreign sources are normal, so I am told.  Flynn has known this guy for a long time because Flynn has been in intel for a long time. According to the FBI they have found no smoking guy to use on Flynn.

Whatever the issue, that conversation alone seems not to have been it.

The leaking from within is concerning.  We have had 8 years of an admin that allowed and encouraged agenda over law.  It has become the norm in the agencies to use whatever is at their disposal to go after anyone who does not fit the same ideology.  There is no solution for that except to clean house and fire anyone that is caught leaking. 

The leaking is far more serious than any Logan Act violation or whatever they want to hang on Flynn.  It is illegal on a number of points and puts info out in the public domain about what we are doing.  It is one thing to assume a thing and another to have assumptions confirmed.  Flynns rights were also violated because absent a warrant, no info about him should have been gathered and if it was inadvertently gathered, by law it should have been protected. 

Trump has been inelegant in some of his criticism of intel and this might be a bit of payback, but he has not been wrong. This is not what we want our intel people doing unless we want to rename to USSR and KGB. 
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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 07:55:31 am »
It does appear that the entrenched bureaucracy is against Trump and this can  be good. We have become so polarized as a country that we now pull for presidents to fail

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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 01:45:11 pm »
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It does appear that the entrenched bureaucracy is against Trump and this can  be good. We have become so polarized as a country that we now pull for presidents to fail

Did you mean can't be good?

It depends on how you pull for someone to fail.  I pulled for Obama to fail in the implementation of most of his agenda.  I did not want him to do things that would cause the country to fail.

Civil service is its own world.  Those people tend to do their thing regardless of who holds the presidency.  Presidents put at the head of these agencies those people who will help further his/her agenda.  Also normal.

  What we have seen in the last 8 years is outside the norm in that agencies were used illegally to further the agenda.  The agencies were also used to destroy people.  As an example, the DOJ announce an investigation into Sheriff Joe just in time for the election.  At the same time, Soros spent millions supporting an open borders replacement and one of the main arguments for this guy was that Sheriff Joe was going to cost the state millions in legal fees because of the investigation.  Joe is defeated and the investigation is dropped.  Maricopa county now has a sanctuary supporting sheriff who refuses to uphold the law....but he does uphold the progressive/Soros idea of open borders.

There is the IRS stuff, and other DOJ things that are shady, etc. 
So, you have people who have spent almost 1/2 their career believing that they exist in their jobs to be activists rather than to uphold the laws of the land.
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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2017, 12:06:41 pm »
As I understand it, nobody was tapping Flynn's phone.  They are always listening to conversations of foreigners, particularly foreign officials, so they heard Flynn's conversations.  Flynn was part of the transition team, funded by the government, so he was authorized to have such conversations.  What he was not authorized to do was lie about the conversations to the vice president and the FBI.  The big question is why the FBI was questioning him about it. The bigger question is how the New York Times knew anything about any of it.  The disclosure of the information about Flynn's discussions with the FBI is a crime.  So why isn't the FBI looking into that?  Flynn's denial of discussing loosening sanctions supposedly left him open to blackmail by the Russians, forcing his resignation after Trump requested him to resign.  Blackmail for what?  If only Flynn, Pence and the two FBI agents (it's always at least two) knew he denied the discussions, for what could he be blackmailed? 

All very curious.  Another good man smeared.  For what purpose, really?
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Re: Michael Flynn
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2017, 12:45:50 pm »
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As I understand it, nobody was tapping Flynn's phone.

Exactly.  The FBI says no problem with their interview of Flynn.  His sin was within the admin and whatever went on between him and Pence.

The recordings are SOP and happened under the Obama admin.  The release of the info was criminal on a number of levels. 

Flynn was dumped by the Obama admin because he disagreed with the with the admin on it's handling of terrorism and on the Iran deal.  The Iran thing Obama considers a legacy issue.  It is not unreasonable to think there are those from the prior admin who wanted to take him out so that he could not help dismantle the Iran deal.  He's been in intel a very long time and probably knows where bodies are buried.
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