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Barb Wire Fence
« on: August 05, 2016, 09:36:53 am »
Would I be better off building my own fence or hiring someone. I have never built one before.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 10:55:30 am »
 too little information. The title is Barb wire fence.
Any particular reason for the title. What are you trying to keep out or keep in.? And will this fence be electrified? Are you looking for a temporary fence for a portable fence?


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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 01:20:25 pm »
The tricks to building a good barb wire fence are:
Keep the lines as straight as possible.
Good anchors or braces on the end poles.
Set your poles as deep as possible, I shoot for 4' and pack them in as tight as possible or fill with cement.
You can use telephone poles, 4x4's and metal stakes. Place the telephone poles as end poles with 4x4's in the middle and stakes between them. Talk to your local power and telephone companies for a good source of poles, cheep.
If you try to use all stakes for cows, I have known of a small heard of 6 month old calves running right through a stake fence, taking the whole side down.
Set the tension on the wire at ringing tightness. The tighter the fence, the less the animals will challenge it.
Keep all wires tight.
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 02:21:19 pm »
I am trying to keep out cows and there will be no electricity applied to it unless people think I need it. I would also like to put in a gate. This is gonig to be for my garden expansion.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 03:51:40 pm »
l = straight post

\ = brace against the left
/ = brace against the right

l\----l-----l-----l----/l

corner post; /l\

I fenced in about 14 acres with hog wire (field fence). I used railroad cross ties as posts between 3 to 5 T poles. Brace the end posts before you tighten the wire. I have 3 to 4 strands of barb wire above it as well. Sometimes I braced as I went. Once I braced a pole I'd remove the brace to it and keep moving. Cross ties are heavy. Try dragging them through the woods, up and down hills, digging holes with my PHDs. I fenced in goats with the mindset of keeping dogs out.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 05:51:39 pm »
What's a PHD?

I do have a brother and a sister that does have Post Hole Digging degrees. It may be a little different than what you're used at for. There prefix is more like this PhD.

 
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 07:05:20 pm »
cows will rub a fence.  It would not hurt to run a hot wire on it if you can.  If not, the posts are really important.  you don't want them pushed over, so the bracing (above) is everything.

If you run a hot wire, run it in the middle of the fence (cow nose level)  and use extenders to keep it away from the barbwire so it doesn't short out.  You can get a solar charger or one that plugs in.  Obviously...run it on the cow side of the fence   :wink:  which means if you are using T-posts you need to pay attention to which direction the posts face so the connectors go on the correct side.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2016, 10:28:23 pm »
Thanks for the help and advice. I might should run that solar electric wire.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2016, 12:52:54 am »
Back when I still had cows, in some places I would run electric fence, 2 strands one about knee high the other eighteen inches or so above the other first one.  Tie strips of cloth, plastic bags or something where you and other can see the wire.  Use T post and insulators.
If you are going to put up barb wire and if you can get though there easily, borrow a post hole digger for a tractor or the complete rig for your wood post, you can put up the T post with a post driver.  I don't know about where you are but here You can get on a list with local electric company and they will call you when your turn comes for some free used light poles.  For 4x4 post or smaller around here 2 ft deep is usually enough.  If going with barb or net fence brace corners and places between ever so far.  If it goes up and down hills you will need some of the bracing along.  /I\----T----T----T----I=I----T----/I\   Some of my cows were huge, I saw one come up to the fence Regular net with 2 strands of barb wire, she leaned over put her head over the top strand to eat on the other side.  As she ate and pushed against the fence she broke 2 lightered post off a the ground while I was hallooing at her.
Good luck with which ever you choose.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2016, 10:01:34 am »
Thanks Joe D.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2016, 02:17:19 pm »
BW,
Here in N FL we have all sand. I always try to place our posts 4' below ground level. Even then the unbraced post will move, especially after heavy rains, so be sure to add the braces. If you have very hard rocky soil you may not need to go so deep.
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2016, 10:30:31 am »
How does one put up temporary fencing for grazing animals on a no till farm?
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2016, 11:02:09 am »
removable steal posts and cheap rolled fencing.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2016, 09:49:28 am »
The animals don't try to flatten it?
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2016, 01:47:25 pm »
The biggest test on the fen swill probably be when you first put the animals in it. A friend  of mine put about 20 yearling steers in a pasture with field fence and steel posts. The whole heard went from the truck and ran straight through the fence like it wasn't there.
Young cows are a lot harder to keep in a barb wire fence than it is to keep an adult cow.
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2016, 05:18:41 pm »
That makes sense.  Puppies are escape artist too.
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2016, 01:53:41 pm »
Well I will be hiring this thing out. Cows are already in the pasture. This is just an expansion. Fruit trees, strawberries, and late flowrering shrubs for the bees

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2016, 03:11:32 pm »
If you hire it out and don't mind telling, I would be interested in what it cost.  We were discussing at our last sit around the campfire drinking session land prices and what value was added for fenced land compared to unfenced.
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2016, 05:06:41 pm »
I will let you know once I get around to actually getting it done. I have a guy coming by to give me an estimate soon.

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2016, 05:23:35 pm »
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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2016, 08:20:32 am »
Cows are already in the pasture. This is just an expansion. Fruit trees, strawberries, and late flowrering shrubs for the bees
Except for the strawberries, does the rest have to be protected from the cows?
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2016, 08:38:10 am »
yes . for your fruit and for the cows. they can kill the cows if it gets stuck in their airways. had to help freiend with a cow that got apple stuck inits airway. they get into a eating frenzy with sweet stuff and will just suck them down.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2016, 08:34:27 am »
...plus, the cows are subject to scratch/rub against them long enough to destroy the young trees.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2016, 09:05:41 am »
BW, how big a field are you planning on fencing off?
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2016, 12:11:08 pm »
yes . for your fruit and for the cows. they can kill the cows if it gets stuck in their airways. had to help freiend with a cow that got apple stuck inits airway. they get into a eating frenzy with sweet stuff and will just suck them down.

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Also the cows sometimes eat way too much. My wife gave our first cow a wheel barrow full of pears off the ground from under my neighbors pear tree. By the evening she was down and it took a day before she got up. If she was down much more than that, she would have died.
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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2016, 01:15:03 pm »
probably bloat. You're right if they lay there too long then their digestive systems shuts down, then they shut off.
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« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2016, 03:26:46 pm »
I am hoping to take up another acre if not more. I think I am also goinig to do some raised sweet potato beds

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2016, 03:27:33 pm »
If my 13 month old holds up I hope to take him to Petals from the Past this Sunday after church and do some checking out of my planned expansion.

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2016, 08:13:45 am »
1 to 5 on Sundays.
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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2016, 09:56:37 am »
Thanks. About his favorite thing to do is stroll outside and the weather is supposed to be nice. He will cry often when and if I walk him by a door and we do not go outside.

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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2016, 11:21:13 pm »
A good rule of thumb for fencing is installation will cost the same as materials.
I have done a bit of contract fencing in my time but now days are mile or so a year around the farm is about it.
Good strainer/stay assemblies are essential for a good fence, put them in first and then run and strain your top barb. Use the strained top barb as the guide for your intermediate posts and your fences will always be straight.
Have around 600y to do sometime in the next few months might do a post on Aussie fencing if anyone is interested.

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Re: Barb Wire Fence
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2016, 07:14:09 pm »
dad and i used the truck to stretch the wire .stay in the cab in case you go too far and break the wire. you should hear it sing when its tight. if the wire is on the cow side they will probably not rub it . :beemaster: :smile:
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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2017, 10:27:21 am »
havent built any fence in years but when i used to help my dad we would put in the posts and braces and then stretch the wire with the big truck . works great but stay clear in case the wire breaks. barb wire that is. :smile: :smile:
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2017, 02:03:31 am »
Did a little bit the past few days, here's a pic of a corner strainer assembly with the top barb strained ready to use as a guide for the intermediate posts. Fairly short runs at 200y and 160y either way off this post.
Once the fence is complete I will come back and take a bit of the top of the post, 3'6" in the ground and about 6" out at present.


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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2017, 09:56:45 am »
Did a little bit the past few days, here's a pic of a corner strainer assembly with the top barb strained ready to use as a guide for the intermediate posts. Fairly short runs at 200y and 160y either way off this post.
Once the fence is complete I will come back and take a bit of the top of the post, 3'6" in the ground and about 6" out at present.


Looks good. I finally got someone to install the fence for me. Perhaps when fixing the barb wire I will learn how to do a whole fence.