Eeeks, getting back to the pollen patty supplement. Michael is totally correct about the pollen patty supplement. Whenever I think of pollen patty supplement, I speak of a patty that is comprised with natural pollen, along with the sugar syrup and also a brewer's yeast (or not). This year I am going to be feeding pollen patties ONLY made with pollen, sugar and water to make that patty. When I think of this supplement, I think of pollen, not pollen substitute. This should be clarified. We do need long-lived bees in the wintertime, they need to be healthy, long-lived bees as well. Beautiful, most wonderful day, lovin' this great life. Cindi