Hi thanks for all the advice i am a novice and have done a lot of reading but as you say practical is a lot more of a teacher . As far as i know this chap does removals of wasp and bees dont know if he charges but i know he charges for the swarms he catches i suppose that is how he makes a living . He is really close to were i live no more than 5 mins drive so that is a bonus not to far to travel but as sawdustmkr says they might abscond after getting there i suppose its the chance i take , most of the bee keeping associations here in S.A charge around the hundred doller a year fee charge . looking at doing a basic bee keeping course in the new year already have a hive (no bees ) all painted up in my shed ,looking at suits probably fo with the flow suit or oz armour ,have hive tools ect and a nice enclosed area behind my shed for my hive rear corner of 4 houses as i live in the burbs . Someone told me if you want to find out if your neighbours dont want bees is to set up your hive empty and see what happens , i was advised not to go telling them you are getting bees as the old "oh no bees " syndrome comes out fortunately my local council has a long history of bee keepers in the district so unless. they are really feral it shouldnt be a problem .