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Title: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 10, 2019, 01:23:50 pm
Nancy and Chuck must have had a change of heart in less than a year, or are just nasty hypocrites. Which would you think?

https://davidharrisjr.com/politics/pelosi-and-schumer-provided-500-million-to-build-wall-in-jordan/
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: CoolBees on January 10, 2019, 01:57:36 pm
Ha!

Have you seen the wall around Nancy's house?

Alan
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 10, 2019, 11:02:24 pm
We aught to make her tear it down because it is immortal and not what Americans do.
Jim
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 10:20:18 am
We aught to make her tear it down because it is immortal and not what Americans do.
Jim

Right Jim, but, She should do it on her on... ??   Hum let's not hold our breath waiting haa haa...
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2019, 12:28:08 pm
Are the Mexicans enemies of the United States?  When did that happen?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 12:32:22 pm
Are the Mexicans enemies of the United States?  When did that happen?
Goodness, I certinally hope not !!  That would be news to me also !!
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2019, 12:41:45 pm
That is when walls are constructed between neighbors.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 01:13:17 pm
That is when walls are constructed between neighbors.
Maybe some folks definition, your definition, not mine. Elvis had a ranch just up the road from our family. He had a wall ( fence) built around the whole entire place, he was never unkind, unfriendly, or snooty to any of the local folks here. Never acted as an enemy. He enjoyed stoping at the county store to enjoy a coke and cupcake just like everyone else.  He was always nice, polite, kind. He even bought one of the neighbors little girls a pony and cart. Even still you, or anyone else should have never dared trespassing on his property going on his property, uninvited  for at least two reasons. First it was his property and not the neighbors. Second good neighbors would not,  do not intrude, and did not intrude on him in the first place out of respect of his property and privacy, just as he had the same respect for others. Now if someone is invited that that would be a different matter. Illegal immigrants are coming here uninvited as far as our laws read. There are some here who do not like the law, and feel it's ok to disregard the law, and allow the  trespassers to come right on in, enticing these illegal trespassers; which is wrong. We should not  entice our own citizens to break our laws, let alone our good neighbors from the south (as you mentioned Mexico) or anyone else.  Some of the enticer's are here. Breaking the law, conspiring to allow and entice the illegal immigrants to do the same. Nancy is one of these and so is Chuck and anyone else who enticed others to break out nations laws. Namely the Constitution  Yet the point that others make is they, themselves have walls Mancy and others. I certinally hope Nancy and Chuck don't see Ace and Phillip as enemies ??  Do you know something that I don't? Maybe they do see us as enemies, could it be they feel they have made themselves enemies of America by conspiring to disregard The Constitution? Hum ---Hum
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 11, 2019, 01:18:49 pm
Nicely said Phillip.
Jim
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2019, 01:43:03 pm
He had a wall ( fence) built around the whole entire place,
That is just it, a wall and a fence are not the same thing.  The USSR did not build a fence through Berlin.  It was a wall.

How can you trust what the turd says?
This is what he said in 2004:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/10/if-theres-concrete-wall-front-you-go-through-it-trump-said-unearthed-commencement-speech/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.59752d44d052
One day it is a wall and the next day it is a fence.  The country is done with his shenanigans.  The longer he shuts down the government the more republican voters that are going to flip and in 2020 you will get your answer how many people in this country think a wall is the answer to boarder security.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2019, 01:54:20 pm
Now if someone is invited that that would be a different matter. Illegal immigrants are coming here uninvited as far as our laws read.

You are not reading our laws correctly.  We have always invited asylum seekers into this country.  We have a procedure for doing so written into our laws.  The turd is not interested in our laws and blatantly breaks them because he thinks he can get away with it.  He thinks himself the entitled rich.  Laws don't pertain to him.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 02:21:32 pm
He had a wall ( fence) built around the whole entire place,
That is just it, a wall and a fence are not the same thing.  The USSR did not build a fence through Berlin.  It was a wall.

How can you trust what the turd says?
This is what he said in 2004:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/10/if-theres-concrete-wall-front-you-go-through-it-trump-said-unearthed-commencement-speech/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.59752d44d052
One day it is a wall and the next day it is a fence.  The country is done with his shenanigans.  The longer he shuts down the government the more republican voters that are going to flip and in 2020 you will get your answer how many people in this country think a wall is the answer to boarder security.

Elvis did have a wall at Graceland, made of stone and concrete. It's still there or was the last time I went through there.But  I doubt that even Elvis could have built that type wall around the ranch.  To much.  But A solid 8 foot wood fence had to do, but of corse a 8 foot wood wall would do because there were no neighbors trying to slam it down or bust through, so it worked fine for him. Now with our southern border, it's different matter. The congress is happy to give many many billions of Aces money to countries all around the world. But not work with Ace and Phillip (We The People) to protect our invaded southern border. Shame
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 02:28:34 pm
One more thing, why is it that Hollywood loved Mr Trump, now President Trump before he decided to to run for office? Then turned on him like a pack of Heynis? His views didn't change did they?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2019, 02:59:07 pm
His views didn't change did they?

Really?  How would you know?  Everything he says is a lie.  He changes his views daily.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 03:40:26 pm
His views didn't change did they?

Really?  How would you know?  Everything he says is a lie.  He changes his views daily.

The reason I know is because when the apprentice was being aired, Hollywood loved Him.  I saw him on the Oprah Winfrey show once and the crowd loved him and so did Oprah.  Isn't Oprah the lefts number one hero?  How all of a sudden when he decided to run for office you all turned on him?  So, isn't it strange how Hollywood, the talkshows, the news casters, and it seemed almost everyone else that holds public influence, which once loved him, cradled him as one of their own, have turned on him like a pack of Heynis!! What is it that y'all hate him so much for, even enough to call him a turd, one  United States senator publicly called him even worse. Why do y'all hate this President? It cannot be because  y'all hate liars, it can't be because y'all hate rich folks , what is it ? Do you even know yourselves? 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 11, 2019, 04:22:02 pm
Looks like turd and sambo think alike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=corPx1FDoWY
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2019, 05:22:11 pm
@ Ace
I will confess, when iddee posted post number 9, I couldn't help but bust out laughing!! We all know that iddee is talented with a way with words!! I wouldn't look forward to a word war with him!!  Ah haa haa haa

Its good that you two can debate with one another and still remain friends.  I hope that you and I can also Ace. God Bless You.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Hops Brewster on January 14, 2019, 10:35:55 am
One more thing, why is it that Hollywood loved Mr Trump, now President Trump before he decided to to run for office? Then turned on him like a pack of Heynis? His views didn't change did they?
yes, actually he did change his views.  He used to be a NY Demorat.  But hey, who can blame him for changing parties considering what the Demorats have become?    Not that the Republicons are much better.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 14, 2019, 11:15:29 am
Finally we have politicians in Washington that will use the Democrats own words against them. The Democrats have been flip flopping for decades based on who is in the White House.
Jim
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 14, 2019, 12:03:58 pm
The reason I know is because when the apprentice was being aired, Hollywood loved Him.  I saw him on the Oprah Winfrey show once and the crowd loved him and so did Oprah.  Isn't Oprah the lefts

It?s because the people love entertainement and the more some persons make a fool of themselves, or others, the more they are loved.
Now his entertainement is a problem because he is a politician. He seems not to know his power, which makes people fear him.


The problems with the immigrants and refugees, we created them ourselves. We did not take care to make their lives at home worth living, we support corrupt polititicians, exploit the markets.

Who wants to leave his home? Most of them want to go back if they can but now they hope to share the american ( or european) dream to have a good life or escape the climate change.
We are graced by having been being born in such countries.
And we don?t want to share. Like little kids.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 14, 2019, 03:24:31 pm
@ Hops
yes, actually he did change his views.  He used to be a NY Demorat.  But hey, who can blame him for changing parties considering what the Demorats have become?    Not that the Republicons are much better.

Hops, when I first glanced at this I thought you was talking about our friend Ace and was ready to do a cartwheel!!!! Ah haa haa haa J/K Ace.. We love and accept you just as your are.....
Phillip
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 14, 2019, 05:02:13 pm
Looks like turd and sambo think alike.
If that happens it would happen by accident.  Trump is incapable of thinking whereas Obama has a very high intelligence.  Trump has absolutely no intention of building a fence.  Iddee are trying to tell me that Trump spent the major part of his campaign supporting an Obama idea?  Even you don't believe that.  Trump jumped into the swamp and fed the alligators that is all that is happening.  Mitch is just hopping the republican base will believe his lies too.  But their are flipping and he is feeling the heat.

Yes Ben, no problem being friends.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 14, 2019, 05:10:49 pm
Looks like turd and sambo think alike.
If that happens it would happen by accident.  Trump is incapable of thinking whereas Obama has a very high intelligence.  Trump has absolutely no intention of building a fence.  Iddee are trying to tell me that Trump spent the major part of his campaign supporting an Obama idea?  Even you don't believe that.  Trump jumped into the swamp and fed the alligators that is all that is happening.  Mitch is just hopping the republican base will believe his lies too.  But their are flipping and he is feeling the heat.

Yes Ben, no problem being friends.

"Trump jumped into the swamp and fed the alligators"
Ah  haa haa haa , now that was funny Ace !!!   
As a matter he is down in Louisiana now!! I hope he don't "feed the alligators'' He's going to get that wall built!! Are you rooting for him since he and Obaba on the same page ? I bet not !!
Thanks Ace for the laugh!! Maybe we can persuade you to come on over like Mr Trump?  What do you think iddee?
Phillip
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Michael Bush on January 14, 2019, 07:14:05 pm
"Good fences make good neighbors"--old saying
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 14, 2019, 08:05:25 pm
walls are a part of the solution. They are also something border patrol wants and they ought to know what they are talking about.

The current proof that walls work is the glob of people sitting in TJ rather than having marched over the border.  Short of lethal force, they could not have been stopped by boots on the ground if they had decided to march in.

A bigger problem is our asylum and immigration policies that are in conflict with our laws and encourage people to come up and try to get in.  It's another part of the equation that requires a solution. 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 14, 2019, 08:51:22 pm
"A bigger problem is our asylum and immigration policies that are in conflict with our laws and encourage people to come up and try to get in.  It's another part of the equation that requires a solution. "

I agree. Let me ask; What would it take to get these asylum policies changed to coincide with our laws?  What would be a fair asylum policy that would work for the asylum seeker as well as our security? 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 15, 2019, 02:31:00 am
"Good fences make good neighbors"--old saying


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As long as humanity unites us, it does not matter what separates us.

Ernst Ferstl
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 15, 2019, 09:07:33 am
"Good fences make good neighbors"--old saying

Including jails?  Maybe not?  History defines what wall are and what fences are and what a good neighbor is.  A sizable portion of the southern boarder is Indian land that spans both the US and Mexico.  Does the US have a right to construct a wall separating their land and community?  No doubt this is the same for the northern boarder but the Trumpsters are not interested in building a wall there yet.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 15, 2019, 11:14:43 am
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A sizable portion of the southern boarder is Indian land that spans both the US and Mexico.


No, it's not.  It's American land that may have a history as tribal land.  There is no wall that is going to span the entire border, but where illegals are flooding through, "Indian" land is being violated.

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No doubt this is the same for the northern boarder but the Trumpsters are not interested in building a wall there yet.

We had a problem with Canada and their lax immigration policy.  Canada had a problem with their lax immigration policy.  They have fixed it.  There are not several countries transiting people across Canada to the US.  Yes, in theory, there is an open border issue with Canada, but in fact, they do not want our people and they are not exporting millions to our welfare state.  You are correct, there is neither the desire nor the need to secure the Canadian border at the expense of spending the money to secure the Mexican border.

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Michael Bush on January 15, 2019, 11:15:05 am
I jails don't need walls, I"m very confused as what either jails or walls are for...
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 15, 2019, 04:09:01 pm
I prefer this as jail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bast%C3%B8y_Prison

Pretty low reoffending rates! Takes away the aggressive behaviours, it seems. This would be a nice and human configuration  for immigrants and refugees until it?s decided whether they may be allowed to come in.

I do not like to look at angry and desperate people behind a fence. I feel exposed, they feel exposed.
Perhaps because of that feeling the walls are constructed. As we say: "aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn", means if you do not see them they are not present. Problem solved.

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 15, 2019, 05:02:20 pm
We say "out of sight, out of mind".

Same meaning.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 16, 2019, 09:00:58 am
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A sizable portion of the southern boarder is Indian land that spans both the US and Mexico.

It's American land that may have a history as tribal land.
Yes, exactly as the Europeans have done to all tribal lands in the middle east, draw lines on a map giving no consideration to the people who have been living there for hundreds of years.  And we say they are the problem!
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 16, 2019, 09:14:53 am
There are not several countries transiting people across Canada to the US.
Well if the turd didn't think he was god and p$ss off the Mexicans maybe they would have stopped the caravan at their southern boarder.  You have to assume they vetted out some of the bad guys.  Anyhow they are laughing at the turd right now and his claim on who is going to pay for the wall.  They are also laughing at his base who actually believed the turd.

OH I forgot to mention, not to long ago the Trumpsters were scared that those bad Muslims were coming through Canada into the US and no wall was built.  I think what they were really worried about especially in your state is that they were coming in to steal your pot.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 16, 2019, 10:49:14 am
Ace, please read reply #4.
https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=51925.0

I saw how well the Mexicans stopped them with the 11 million that were here by the time sambo left.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 16, 2019, 12:56:15 pm
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We have always invited asylum seekers into this country.  We have a procedure for doing so written into our laws. 
OH I forgot to mention, not to long ago the Trumpsters were scared that those bad Muslims were coming through Canada into the US and no wall was built.

We do have a procedure for seeking asylum.  You apparently have not read it.  There is a difference between law and policy.  Our law is clear as to who qualifies and how to apply.  Our procedures have ignored our law and allowed people to come in and then ask for asylum.  Then they are allowed to stay and they disappear.  Very few actually qualify and they know this so once in, they are gone.

yes, there was legitimate concern over Canada and how they were vetting the people that entered their country and then could come here at will.  Remember the Christmas bomber?
Canada tightened up its own system and we now require passports at the border.  While that border is not overly secure, there is only Canada to deal with, not a dozen countries tromping through Canada to get here. 

If you look at BPs OTM numbers, they are catching people from a whole bunch of places that are heavily Muslim. 

Game this:  I want to enter a country to do harm.  Do I go through a secure country to do it, or do I go through a county that will not vet me or stop me?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 17, 2019, 09:06:44 am
While that border is not overly secure, there is only Canada to deal with, not a dozen countries tromping through Canada to get here. 
Still trying to re-write history?  The 45th whole deal was that the caravan was filled with terrorist (and implying Muslim).
There are people from hundreds of countries entering Canada every day.  More likely to be Muslim then coming from Mexico.  The fact is almost all Muslims are good not bad just like any other ethnicity.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 17, 2019, 10:49:36 am
""The 45th whole deal was that the caravan was filled with terrorist""

More lies.  The caravan contained, not filled with, terrorists.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 17, 2019, 11:26:57 am
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The fact is almost all Muslims are good not bad just like any other ethnicity.

That may be true but there are also many who are not.  in a 1.5 billion ideology a small % of bad is a big number.

EVERYONE who comes into this country should be vetted.  If you want to see how many are coming in and being caught, look at the BP web site.  How many are they missing?  You can also look at the OTM numbers and see where people they have caught are coming from other than Mexico.

When Muslims or anyone else enters Canada, they are vetted.  If they then enter the US and stay illegally at least they have gone through some kind of check. 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 17, 2019, 03:05:59 pm
No idea what BP and OTM stand for.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 17, 2019, 03:58:43 pm
Border patrol and "Other than Mexican".  It is the abbreviation the BP uses.  If you look at their site, which I guess you have not done, it is explained.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 17, 2019, 05:42:43 pm
oops.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 18, 2019, 09:06:54 am
If you look at their site,

Why would I?
Ah oh!

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/overview


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Mission
The priority mission of the Border Patrol is preventing terrorists and terrorists weapons, including weapons of mass destruction, from entering the United States. Undaunted by scorching desert heat or freezing northern winters, they work tirelessly as vigilant protectors of our Nation's borders.

How many terrorists and weapons of mass destruction did they find among the caravan people?

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 18, 2019, 09:59:01 am
Quote Ace. 
 "How many terrorists and weapons of mass destruction did they find among the caravan people?"

We don't know, it's Top Secret!!  :wink:
Remember, Eric Holder didn't want us knowing what was going on at the border... President Trump is still working to weed out President Obama failed policies. They will let us know soon.. Just be happy we have a President that finally puts Ace first!! 😊😁
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: jvalentour on January 18, 2019, 11:57:12 am
They have been culling out dangerous bad guys along the route to the border.  Well publicised policy for those willing to read, those who rely on the MSM, not so much.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 18, 2019, 12:11:06 pm
""How many terrorists and weapons of mass destruction did they find among the caravan people?""

Many more than 1, but 1 was too many to open the border and let them all in.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: CoolBees on January 18, 2019, 12:34:14 pm
... Just be happy we have a President that finally puts Ace first!! 😊😁

My turn for "The Morning Laugh". Good one! ... but does Ace appreciate it?

Cheers!
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 18, 2019, 12:36:16 pm
... Just be happy we have a President that finally puts Ace first!! 😊😁

My turn for "The Morning Laugh". Good one! ... but does Ace appreciate it?

Cheers!

Probably more than he will ever admit or we will ever know!! Ah ha haa haaaa!!
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 18, 2019, 03:16:16 pm
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How many terrorists and weapons of mass destruction did they find among the caravan people?

1st, the site does not have to be updated for you to access the data, but I know, that's like work or something.

I am not sure the point you are trying to make about the caravans.  Is it your position that if no terrorists are found among them they should all be let in? 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: blackforest beekeeper on January 19, 2019, 02:53:51 am
we read in the news that a lot of offices are not in work in the US. I never thought this could hang by the thread of a decision in the houses.
In Germany, officials are usually in job for life and I am sure they will get paid and work on no matter what the government is doing. so continuity on a working level is always given, no matte who the top heads are or are not.
Hire and fire, sort of?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 19, 2019, 08:55:26 am
It?s because the people love entertainement and the more some persons make a fool of themselves, or others, the more they are loved.
Now his entertainement is a problem because he is a politician. He seems not to know his power, which makes people fear him.

There is a whole lot he doesn't know.  Most assuredly his limits.  One thing you have to be careful of in the entertainment world is that you can go from riches to rags as fast as you went from rags to riches.  He assumes because of his money he will always be protected.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 19, 2019, 09:05:23 am
I never thought this could hang by the thread of a decision in the houses.

It can't be a single decision.  There are three areas of power.  Two have to outnumber the third which is why the republicans will suffer dearly in 2020.  I hate this two party system but our government is a spin off from Europe which basically has the same thing.  The best system is no parties with no outside financial influence.  Not realistic.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 19, 2019, 09:11:34 am
Is it your position that if no terrorists are found among them they should all be let in?

Noooooo, if there are no terrorists found among them then sending the military to the boarder is like wiping out a country because you think there are weapons of mass destruction.  Don't you think we should stop doing that?  Secondly, shouldn't the 45th stop using it as a reason for building a WALL?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 19, 2019, 09:40:51 am
I never thought this could hang by the thread of a decision in the houses.

It can't be a single decision.  There are three areas of power.  Two have to outnumber the third which is why the republicans will suffer dearly in 2020.  I hate this two party system but our government is a spin off from Europe which basically has the same thing.  The best system is no parties with no outside financial influence.  Not realistic.

Now there you go again Ace, You know we have a constitution protecting us from a no party, Ternary situation. Man you sure love a good debate!! Ah haa haa haa
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 19, 2019, 03:27:58 pm
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Noooooo, if there are no terrorists found among them then sending the military to the boarder is like wiping out a country because you think there are weapons of mass destruction.  Don't you think we should stop doing that?  Secondly, shouldn't the 45th stop using it as a reason for building a WALL?

Protection of our border is not just about terrorists, although if I was a terrorist wanting in that would be the way I'd come.  It's not just about criminals, although anyone coming in illegally is a criminal.

It is about the severity of a county and the protection of its legal citizens.  Protection does not just have to be about crime.  We have a fair number of people both legal immigrants and born citizens, and our kids, who are starting out at the bottom of the wage scale. They need jobs, inexpensive housing, and education.  Every illegal that is at the bottom of the wage scale, which is most of those coming across the southern border, competes in those same markets.

Is our duty to those here legally and those starting out or is it to people who sneak in?  They are not fleeing war or famine.  They are fleeing the results from the governments they elected. 
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 19, 2019, 03:33:21 pm
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  They are fleeing the results from the governments they elected.

That?s an interesting argument because if this would be true half of the worlds inhabitants were on a flight. Of all counties and nations.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 19, 2019, 06:17:34 pm
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That?s an interesting argument because if this would be true half of the worlds inhabitants were on a flight. Of all counties and nations.

I think probably more than half.  There are not too many true dictatorships left.  Most are communist.  Some are Islamist.  Those people have no choice in who runs them or what is done.  For everyone else, they vote for those who lead them.  In many cases, they voted in people who promised them more stuff and didn't deliver or bankrupted their country in the process.  The governments are corrupt and crime is high.

this might be sad, but it is not something that should become the problem of the surrounding countries.

The other thing about it is that if these people are fleeing lawlessness, it does no county any good to condone the lawless entry of those breaking in.  If lawlessness and corruption go hand in hand, what happens to the rest of us when we begin to condone it?
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 19, 2019, 08:01:42 pm
And now, with another convoy of migrants heading north from Central America, how will they be dealt with?  How will Mexico deal with them at its southern border?  It has been difficult for Mexico to find a place to shelter those already massed on the Mexican side of the U.S. frontier.  Seems to me it would be wise for Mexico to shut down its border, and for the United States to assist Mexico however Mexico may desire it, to prevent more people from packing into the border area.  Sooner or later, critical mass could result in an explosive situation.  Mexico may be less gentle with migrants under such conditions than some of our left-wing activists would like.

Another point to consider is the fact that these migrants must be carrying a considerable amount of cash or valuables that Mexico?s criminal element may find attractive.  If they are fleeing gangs in Guatemala and Honduras, the gangs of Mexico will be just as terrifying to them, I suspect.  Is Mexico supposed to provide security for the migrants, when it is unable to do so for its own citizens?  Certain cities in Mexico are like going into area of Detroit or Chicago (oh, yeah, we can?t mention that.  MSM doesn?t acknowledge there are problems in those cities that rival those in Beirut at its worst).
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 19, 2019, 08:54:35 pm
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and for the United States to assist Mexico however Mexico may desire it,

we are helping.  We are also sending millions to all the corrupt countries in the hope they will use it to solve their own problems.  My suggestion is that we stop funding these countries and their corruption.  Use the money to build whatever we need to secure our own border and bigger detention camps for those who do get in.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 20, 2019, 09:24:42 am
That would be a great plan Kathy if we weren't the one teaching them bribes, graft and corruption.  Nothing we have done is for the benefit of the countries we have "helped" since WW2 and it is getting worse.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: jvalentour on January 20, 2019, 09:46:32 am
Ace, would you like to back up that comment with some facts?  Who is teaching who about bribes  (drug cartels and Mexican Presidents)?
You can't blame Trump for much, he has only been in office 2 years.  Before that he was a real estate guy. 

So are we talking about the Obama regime, former State Department Officials (gunrunning in Mexico), George Soros funding caravans, Russian uranium deals, Ambassador Chris Stevens gunrunning (again) in Libya, maybe the Solyndra scandal?  Humm.

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 20, 2019, 12:31:27 pm
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That would be a great plan Kathy if we weren't the one teaching them bribes, graft and corruption.  Nothing we have done is for the benefit of the countries we have "helped" since WW2 and it is getting worse.

jav missed the most important one and that was the "foundation" that got many millions ( we still don't know the total) of dollars from unfriendly governments in the hopes Hillary would be elected and they could make some more deals like she made as SoS.  People have forgotten that the Hillary corruption schemes are the reason Bill got into so much trouble in the first place. 

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Ace, would you like to back up that comment with some facts?

He won't.  He never does.

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 20, 2019, 01:55:03 pm
His facts are:
The sun rises in the west.
Elvis was seen at a party this week.
Jesse Jackson is a white supremacist.
Hank Williams sang rap.
Japan won WWII.
ETC. ETC. ETC.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 20, 2019, 04:15:06 pm
I like Ace. I call him friend.
He is an influencer. He influences us to reflect about the world and what we do, and he asks for our comments to give his own, so starting a sort of education. Very clever.
Bet he checked this out on his wife, haha.  :wink: so he can appraise her..good for marriage.
If he would only leave off the calling of names...
 :embarassed:
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 20, 2019, 05:15:30 pm
Believe it or not, I like Ace, too. Him and I just live in two different worlds and accept each other as dumb aliens.   :cool:  :wink:  :cheesy:
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Ben Framed on January 21, 2019, 01:16:00 am
Believe it or not, I like Ace, too. Him and I just live in two different worlds and accept each other as dumb aliens.   :cool:  :wink:  :cheesy:

Can't help but like Ace and you too. Y'all remind me of two older gentlemen who use to meet at our local country store when I was a boy. Now this old store was ran by our local Justice of the Peace, who actually held court in the backroom of the store along with tires, supplies, and other warehoused store goods.  And to add even more flavor, this particular JP was a reminder of the Justice of the Peace role played by Archie Campbell on the ole Hee haw re-runs, if you have seen any of those? He was witty and sharp as a tack in his thinking. Anyway these two would go round and round about politics of the day. Listening to them you might think that our JP might have to hold a murder trial at any minute sometimes!! But let me tell you, let one of these old gentlemen get sick and not show up at the store or perhaps miss a day coming in, and you would think that the one left without the debating partner might have had his favorite dog ran over by a car! He would look so sad and mopped around hoping his sparring buddy would show up any minute!! Outsiders might think, these two were bitter enemies, but to each other, I am thinking were best friends!!  I don't expect you or Ace to admit to it but I feel certain that y'all have that same type respect one for the other...
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: SiWolKe on January 21, 2019, 03:23:59 am
Before Angela Merkel was elected Chancellor, we had Gerhard Schr?der of the SPD.

The SPD is traditionally the party of the working class.

Schroeder was elected to office because of his direct language and bearings, but hardly was he chancellor the Agenda 2010 was launched, which severely worsened the situation of many workers, wages stagnated and people unemployed after many years of doing their jobs were robbed of their asset ( Hartz 4 law). Germany became rich and more jobs were created but many of them are underpaid and many jobs were created which must still have welfare support added because they could not live from the income.

That was his solution of the difficult finance and rising unemployment situation after we became one nation, east and west. Blamed it on the lazyness and wage greed of the worker class which wanted to exploit the welfare system but in his eyes have be modest not to jeopardize the export economy.

Parity between employer and employees had ended (now re-established).
They called him "Comrade of the Bosses" and since then the socialists has disappeared into insignificance.
Many AFD voters are former SPD voters.

Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: blackforest beekeeper on January 21, 2019, 04:47:37 am
Before Angela Merkel was elected Chancellor, we had Gerhard Schr?der of the SPD.

The SPD is traditionally the party of the working class.

Schroeder was elected to office because of his direct language and bearings, but hardly was he chancellor the Agenda 2010 was launched, which severely worsened the situation of many workers, wages stagnated and people unemployed after many years of doing their jobs were robbed of their asset ( Hartz 4 law). Germany became rich and more jobs were created but many of them are underpaid and many jobs were created which must still have welfare support added because they could not live from the income.

That was his solution of the difficult finance and rising unemployment situation after we became one nation, east and west. Blamed it on the lazyness and wage greed of the worker class which wanted to exploit the welfare system but in his eyes have be modest not to jeopardize the export economy.

Parity between employer and employees had ended (now re-established).
They called him "Comrade of the Bosses" and since then the socialists has disappeared into insignificance.
Many AFD voters are former SPD voters.

met him once. wouldn`t trust him further than I could throw him.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 21, 2019, 10:34:28 am
Ace, would you like to back up that comment with some facts?  Who is teaching who about bribes
Didn't your 45th pay off some hookers?  Oops, he got caught.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 21, 2019, 11:58:04 am
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Didn't your 45th pay off some hookers?  Oops, he got caught.

may have done.  and your point is?  NOT paying a hooker might be a crime  :wink:
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: iddee on January 21, 2019, 12:16:43 pm
Ace says....
That would be a great plan Kathy if we weren't the one teaching them bribes, graft and corruption.  Nothing we have done is for the benefit of the countries we have "helped" since WW2 and it is getting worse.

Jvalentour says...Ace, would you like to back up that comment with some facts?

Ace says...Didn't your 45th pay off some hookers?  Oops, he got caught.

IDDEE says... When was a country named hookers, and where is it located?   :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 21, 2019, 05:49:37 pm
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IDDEE says... When was a country named hookers, and where is it located?

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: Acebird on January 22, 2019, 10:08:18 am
NOT paying a hooker might be a crime  :wink:

Nope.  Not paying might get you dead but it is not a crime until money changes hands.  Hard to do because they want the money first.  That is how the john can get stung from undercover.  If it was pay after he never would get stung.
Title: Re: 100% total hypocrites
Post by: kathyp on January 22, 2019, 11:13:14 am
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Not paying might get you dead but it is not a crime until money changes hands.

unless you are in NV!

OT, but this is another thing that should be legalized.   :wink: