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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Bee genetics
« Last post by 220 on Today at 07:24:18 am »
While it might take thousands of generations for a breed to evolve in isolation that isn't the case with feral bees.
The fact that just about every recognised breed has been introduced means the genetic diversity is already there. The traits from each breed that took thousands of years to evolve in isolation are all there in the genetic pool and no doubt the traits that give them the highest chance of survival in the local climate quickly become dominant.
I cant speak for anyone else but when I make reference to feral bee evolving this is what I am referring to. I have no doubt if you were to compare truly feral bees from my area of Aus where we have 48" rainfall 60+ nights below freezing and regular snow with somewhere like the north of WA where the rainfall might be less than half and temperatures rarely drop below 20c there would be marked genetic differences. It might not be evolution in the classical sense but no doubt the local bees have evolved to best suit the local climate.
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THE COFFEE HOUSE ((( SOCIAL - ROOM ))) / Re: Dow closes above 26K
« Last post by iddee on Today at 07:00:54 am »
""I did not work to make the value go up (capital gains) or if I did I did not pay income tax, social security or unemployment tax on the value that the property gained because of the work.""

Did the property really go up, or was it just inflation? I bought a place in 1963. I still own it. If I were to add up all the years of property tax, maintenance, etc., and add it to the original cost, there is no way I could expect to get the same "buying power" if I sold it today. There is no real profit, but I would have to pay tax on the "inflation".

Also, if the idiots were to spend the tax money even half way sensibly, I wouldn't mind paying nearly as much.  Six thousand dollars for a hammer should bring a jail term, not a re-election.
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DOWN UNDER BEEKEEPING / Re: Australian sugar ants
« Last post by sawdstmakr on January 20, 2018, 11:57:03 pm »
You can grease the inside of the cups and it last a long time. Just having the cups works most of the time. The ants have a hard crawling under the edge of the cup.
Jim
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THE COFFEE HOUSE ((( SOCIAL - ROOM ))) / Re: Dow closes above 26K
« Last post by kathyp on January 20, 2018, 11:24:24 pm »
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Unfortunately your man confiscated some of money and gave it to corporations that didn't deserve it or lift a finger to earn it.  It was not what the general working population wanted.  Your man didn't drain the swamp he is the swamp.

What money did he confiscate and give to corporations?  How did they not earn the money that was to go to high taxes?  Do you not get the connection between having high corporate taxes and business going overseas and keeping their money offshore?  What people don't want economic growth and jobs?

Now...giving money to "green" companies fits your complaint.  Giving money to auto industries fits, as does bailing out banks.  Allowing people and business to keep more of what they have earned, does not.

Countries are not shitholes for lack of taxes.  They are shitholes because they have a corrupt government that takes all the money, and do not create the conditions that allow their people and businesses to thrive.  In most cases, government IS the problem in those countries. 

We may be addicted to our "safety nets" but except for those who can't take care of themselves, people are not better off for them.  They are not more productive, have more opportunity, and will not move up in the world, because they are dependant on the government check.   
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Bee genetics
« Last post by eltalia on January 20, 2018, 10:52:24 pm »
Thankyou Van...'nother well presented insightful view I can live with. Really I was just pulling
Michael's leg - and then Jim's -  as the thought of VD in this Country is just too distressing to
go there. But I do own a serious view on feral genetics in this Country.. read on.

For @220... there are solid flora management reasons behind "no managed colonies within
State forests" policy in Queensland, but the axis it all swings off is found in preserving our
native bees, among them the communal Tets. Myself I am right behind the policy to the point
that were it possible I'd sanction gassing all feral Apis.
That said they are however an excellant resource for building apiaries provided you change the
genetics within a brood cycle. Anything else and your management only contributes to the problem
of feral Apis in this Country as by their very nature they are antsy - to other bees - and swarmy
lil' mothers.

Bill
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Bushes for Bees
« Last post by Bush_84 on January 20, 2018, 09:56:23 pm »
I?m going to plant an acre of it this spring!  😜
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THE COFFEE HOUSE ((( SOCIAL - ROOM ))) / Re: Dow closes above 26K
« Last post by Acebird on January 20, 2018, 09:37:13 pm »
Did you not work to buy and maintain your extra property?

I did not work to make the value go up (capital gains) or if I did I did not pay income tax, social security or unemployment tax on the value that the property gained because of the work.
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Did you not take all the risk to turn it into a rental?
  Well if I screwed up the government would allow me the loss even though it is my fault.  Two way street don't you think?
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Why should you be taxed extra if you sell it?
Why should you be taxed extra if you are a corporation vs. and individual?  Seems to me if there wasn't an advantage there would not be any corporations. 
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They are confiscation of YOUR money or profit.
There are places that have minimal taxes.  I think your man called them S-hole countries.  I am sure there is room for you Kathy.  Taxes are collected by governments to fund programs and services that a population wants.  Unfortunately your man confiscated some of money and gave it to corporations that didn't deserve it or lift a finger to earn it.  It was not what the general working population wanted.  Your man didn't drain the swamp he is the swamp.
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DOWN UNDER BEEKEEPING / Re: Buying honey distributors
« Last post by max2 on January 20, 2018, 09:24:49 pm »
I subscribe to the ABK magazine and a US mag as well.

The ABK is mostly reprints from the US mag and Irish newsletters. Disapointingly few local articles .

Yes, there are honey buyers.

Gather By 0417495862

Berringa  03 84563453

Leabrook 0882627555

Superbee 02 68511155

And of course capilano.

If I would get $ 9/kg for my honey I would happily sell it. Capilano ( told yesterday) pays at the moment $ 4.80 to shareholders and $ 4.50/kg to non-shareholders ( told a while back.

I sell our honey at two markets for $ 12/kg in a glass jar and take the jars back for a $ 1 refund.

The stall fee knocks a few dollars off and I spend maybe two hours preparing and 5 hrs at the market plus travel time/fuell.

The jars cost me around $ 1 if I buy a pallet. The labels cost me 30 cents per jar - $ 9 sounds like heaven!! :cheesy:
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HUMOR IS A FUNNY THING / God bless
« Last post by sawdstmakr on January 20, 2018, 09:11:53 pm »
 




 
A father put his 3-year-old daughter to bed, told her a story and listened to her prayers which ended by saying, "God bless Mommy, God bless Daddy, God bless Grandma, and good-bye Grandpa."
 
The father asked, "Why did you say good-bye Grandpa?"
 
The little girl said, "I don't know daddy, it just seemed like the thing to do."
 
The next day grandpa died.  The father thought it was a strange coincidence.
 
A few months later the father put the girl to bed and listened to her prayers which went like this, "God bless Mommy, God Bless Daddy and good-bye Grandma."
 
The next day the grandmother died.
 
"Holy crap" thought the father, "this kid is in contact with the other side."
 
Several weeks later when the girl was going to bed, the dad heard her say, "God bless Mommy and good-bye Daddy."
 
He practically went into shock.  He couldn't sleep all night and got up at the crack of dawn to go to his office.
 
He was nervous as a cat all day, had lunch and watched the clock. He figured if he could get by until midnight he would be okay.  He felt safe in the office, so instead of going home at the end of the day he stayed there, drinking coffee, looking at his watch and jumping at every sound.  Finally midnight arrived; he breathed a sigh of relief and went home.
 
When he got home his wife said, "I've never seen you work so late.  What's the matter?"
 
He said, "I don't want to talk about it, I've just spent the worst day of my life."
 
She said, "You think you had a bad day, you'll never believe what happened to me.  This morning my golf pro dropped dead in the middle of my lesson!"
 


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CLUB MEETING, CONFERENCES, GATHERINGS, SEMINARS and EVENTS / Re: Beefest 2018
« Last post by iddee on January 20, 2018, 07:58:58 pm »
Matt, I have room for you. Can you get to Beez Needz? If not, we can make other arrangements.
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