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Title: Australian fires
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 05, 2020, 11:14:02 pm
Just saw a satellite photo of the massive fires all over the continent.
Un believable.
I really feel for you guys that live near where these fires are.
The Bugaboo Fire, one of the biggest fires ever in Florida came less than a mile from my farm. We could have lost everything.
This storm was so large that it created its own weather system that the firefighters were able to use it to control the fire.
I heard that millions of bees have been burned.
I hope none of our members have been affected.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: max2 on January 05, 2020, 11:38:45 pm
Thanks for caring, Jim.

I spoke to a large ( for Australia) beekeeper yesterday and he tells me that a lot of hives have been lost in the Southern States and on Kangoroo Island . No details as yet.
There will be long term issues with about 5.2 million ha burned - a lot od this bush.
We are OK here ( Queensland) but it has been a very poor season due to the lack of rain.

I checked on some hives this morning and they are slow.
We had some very hot weather here and from what I see either the queen stopped laying for a while or the heat killed a bunch of eggs - there is a break in the brood pattern.

Bees are not the topic at this stage at Government level as lives and property has been lost but as time goes on issues like bees will also have to dealt with.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: max2 on January 06, 2020, 12:32:38 am
About bees and the fire:
Ligurian honey bees

The Ligurian bees on Kangaroo Island are believed to be the last remaining pure stock of this insect found anywhere in the world.

They have been thriving on the island for the past 135 years after the South Australian Government declared the island a bee sanctuary.

Kangaroo Island Ligurian Queen Bees owner Stephen Heatley lost 40 of his hives in the fires but "guessed" up to 500 hives could have succumbed to the flames.

"That part of the island that was burnt was the main drawcard for keepers to put their hives," he said.

He said the Ligurian honey bees were introduced from Italy and arrived in Australia via the United States in 1885, before making their way to Kangaroo Island.

"They've stayed here ever since," he said.

The production of Ligurian honey has boomed on the island and it is now used to make a range of products, including beauty products and skincare.
Kangaroo Island bushfires
Photo: Smoke clouds billow from above flames at Ravine, on Kangaroo Island, last Friday. (Supplied: CFS)

How will the Australian bush recover?

Bushfires have ravaged about 5.8 million hectares of bush, known for its unique flora and fauna, across Australia.

It is estimated that wildlife loss across Australia through this bushfire season will exceed 500 million.

Professor Woinarski said recovery could take decades.

"It may take many years for the resources that those plants and animals need after the fire to come back again ? so things like tree hollows, dense layers of vegetation and leaf litter," he said.

"They're not going to come back now for decades.

"Many Australians feel a natural affinity for the bush in which we live and these fires are now changing that tie with the land and the environment.

"I think increasingly, many people will see the forest, woodlands and nature as a menace to human life and that's going to have bad consequences.

"We need to appreciate the forests and woodlands in which we live and we can't treat it like the enemy."
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Milo on January 06, 2020, 04:58:42 am
I am 115 miles from the nearest fire and visibility is down to around 550 yards with air quality listed as hazardous

Those poor souls directly in it are doing it tough.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 06, 2020, 08:58:12 am
Makes you wonder...  With unprecedented fires, hurricanes, typhoons and polar ice caps melting there are still people believing things are normal.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 06, 2020, 10:33:52 am
Ace,
If global warming is so bad, how many hurricanes hit the US this year?
Global warming was going to wipe out the polar bears. This year their numbers are higher than ever.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Milo on January 06, 2020, 03:52:36 pm
Gentlemen please;

Where I grew up we had an issue of rising salinity over a widespread area (tens of miles square). we took action at the time improving farming infrastructure and planting tens of thousands of trees. We don?t have a salinity problem now in my area (fixed before rainfall patterns changed by the way) and have saved prime agricultural land.

When I grew up we had a problem with a hole in the ozone layer, scientists told us it was due to CFCs. We took action limiting their use. From all reports I have read the ozone layer is healing.

Where my children are growing up now I see and feel the effects of climate change (man made or otherwise - I don?t care for deniers of the fact, I live it and experience it. You can deny it?s man made but if you say to my face it?s not changing I may just get tetchy, well maybe slightly more than tetchy).

We have the opportunity to take action to see if we can make a change to the long term outlook on climate change. It will take investment but it needs a driver. In my simple view it often takes War or Taxation to drive innovation in the free market. To say what is occurring here now is war is a gross overstatement that would offend many, but it is a wake up call that should be heeded.

Our governments in Oz now have the opportunity to reset and invest. Our CSIRO is second to none and investment in research brings many dollar returns. The business opportunities are many and the free market will grow with support from our government.

As my dear old Dad has recently said to me; my time is done, yours is now please don?t mess it up for my grandchildren.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: iddee on January 06, 2020, 04:32:07 pm
""but if you say to my face it?s not changing I may just get tetchy,""

We each have our opinions, and my opinion agrees with yours on that statement. I would say anyone who says it isn't changing is playing with a deck of 51, or less.
On the other side of the coin, my opinion is, anyone claiming it is caused by man is also short a card or two. The climate has been changing for millions of years and will continue to change for millions more. The effect man has on the change will be minuscule to none.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: minz on January 06, 2020, 04:49:58 pm
Its kind of on a ?thermal run away? now. That?s when a small change creates and event (like drought causing California to burn) then the smoke causes more to cause Australia to burn, which in turn causes XX to burn. 
Is it past the tipping point?
As for polar bear numbers increasing it may be since the hunting quotas are down. The lack of hunting ice for them is affecting their cub survival.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11656-climate-myths-polar-bear-numbers-are-increasing/
Milo makes a good point, proof that we can change things.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Milo on January 06, 2020, 04:56:31 pm
However what we can do to learn to live with that change is great. Our (oz) governments have been in political atrophy over the issue and have done nothing to assist communities to live, learn or work with the change.

Whether it is investment in better Forrest management or Firefighting or Farming or community resilience or ?action? or research, our government has been blinkered on simply spending less to achieve a budget surplus that is on thin paper.

The refusal of our government to fund the necessary aerial firefighting units requested by the firefighting agencies two years ago was either denial purely because the document mentioned the dirty words of climate change or it was a significant risk taken to try limit expenditure to achieve the balanced budget. Either way it was denial that there was a genuine need and instead of a hundred million dollars it has and will cost us billions.

We certainly agree on the change occurring, I believe my government could and should have done more to prevent or limit the extent of this current event.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 06, 2020, 06:06:16 pm
Either way it was denial that there was a genuine need and instead of a hundred million dollars it has and will cost us billions.
Milo, you are not alone.  We use the same logic in this country.
Man o man I never heard of equating climate change to polar bear population.  That is a new one for me.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: kathyp on January 06, 2020, 06:12:18 pm
We have issues with fires here and the states that get hit the hardest are the ones that won't manage the forest.  Mine is one of those states.  We have been fortunate not to have the entire country go up in flames but that might have as much to do with varied geography as anything else.

Regardless of how or why the weather changes, the fact remains that fire has been natures way of clearing land since the beginning of time.  We can either manage things or nature will manage it for us.  We have some control when we do it, but none when nature does it. 

I wish you all well, and I know we have folks and equipment going over to help out.  Prayers for the safety of all involved. 
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: iddee on January 06, 2020, 08:25:18 pm
Milo, if you really want to worry about something we could do something about, think about oil. We are taking 561,000,000 cubic feet of oil out of the earth DAILY. Mother nature does not like vacuum. She will fill those spaces. How many earthquakes are we going to have because of the open spaces we are creating in the earth?

To put that into perspective, that is equivalent to 4,207,500,000 US gallons of water, per day. If the space is filled up with the ocean waters, just how much shoreline rise do you think we will have, or will the oceans actually recede?
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: kathyp on January 06, 2020, 08:52:27 pm
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or will the oceans actually recede?

Might be a solution to rising seas.   :cheesy:




Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Milo on January 07, 2020, 04:32:37 am
... think about oil. We are taking 561,000,000 cubic feet of oil out of the earth DAILY. Mother nature does not like vacuum. She will fill those spaces. How many earthquakes are we going to have... If the space is filled up with the ocean waters, just how much shoreline rise do you think we will have, or will the oceans actually recede?

Um okay, interesting concept but not a scenario (shoreline expansion) I am concerned about. but I think an interesting idea - that being you remove the high pressure oil from the porous rock creating a low pressure zone and then the water in the ocean above it wants to equalise the pressure in the rock by filling it, therefore lowering the ocean heights.

The question being will the melting ice from the increasing world temperatures (change - not necessarily from the burning of the oil) balance the water loss?

What I think though if you are concerned with the earthquake risk produced is that we take the concept that the extraction of the oil is the problem (not the burning of said oil) and seek an alternative fuel, Hydrogen perhaps?

We remove the risks of ocean drop, ocean pollution and reduce emissions (reducing air pollution if not reducing or reversing climate change).

So I take it you don?t like the extraction of oil and/or fracking?

Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2020, 04:53:17 am
I'm thinking if you remove 15 billion cubic feet of mass from the inner earth each month, what is going to replace it. I don't have the answer, but I think its something that needs answering. Natural gas may compress and cause pressure, but crude oil is liquid and liquids don't compress. Only holes left when it is removed, not expansive at a lower pressure.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 07, 2020, 09:38:47 am
How many earthquakes are we going to have because of the open spaces we are creating in the earth?
Probably not many because they fill the voids with toxic chemicals.  The only side effect is poisoning ground water.  Liberals are not as worried about this because the major effect is in the center of the country where it has heavy concentrations of republicans. LOL
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2020, 10:13:14 am
Everybody likes a little ***. Nobody likes a smart***.   :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: jimineycricket on January 07, 2020, 10:34:07 am
Actually, I do appreciate a little satire once in a while, but how does this conversation pertain to bee keeping??  Perhaps this should move to the coffee house.  BTW I like caramel lattes.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Bob Wilson on January 07, 2020, 03:52:27 pm
Although this is not meant to belittle the present difficulties being endured, I think the honeybee will adapt in Autralia, just as the prarie dog and the coyote do in the States. The pendulum in every aspect of life tends to swing back and forth, whether a short cycle like the prarie dog (prey) VS the coyote (predator) relationship, or a millenial cycle like the complex rhythm of our planet. Considering the truly massive amounts of solar energy absorbed by our planet every day, I don't believe man is the cause of the climate change which is occuring. I think it is part of the rhythm of our planet. Now, it is true we often do an extremely shoddy job of stewardship, and although nature is very quick to erase over man's existence when it is gone, we still need to enact better control of our resources. I was taught to take care of my toys.
Concerning the bees, whether on a small scale such as a neighbor's use of Sevin dust, or a large scale such as wildfire deforestation, I believe the little warrior, the honey bee, will return faster than we think. I am amazed by her resiliancy. As sure as the sun is shining over the clouds of smoke. As sure as the flower buds will poke up from the cold ashes, the bee will prevail.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: queenman on January 07, 2020, 05:06:12 pm
That satellite photo is fake news.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 07, 2020, 05:58:42 pm
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As sure as the flower buds will poke up from the cold ashes, the bee will prevail.
Insects prevail after devastation, mammals don't.  Bees thrive on weeds, mammals don't.  You see where I am going here?  Commercial beekeepers may be out of luck.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Bob Wilson on January 08, 2020, 05:25:22 pm
Yes, Ace. I do see that. For certain it is a sad plight, which our west coast shares, but not here on the East coast. Although life does return with time, that is a small comfort to those ruined in the devastation, who have had livelihood and joy taken away.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: crispy on January 09, 2020, 09:55:20 pm
Hi all well i live in adelaide across the strip of water that seperates kangaroo island from the mainland , last night viveon bay township was evacuated as the fire was considered to close ,its a lovely place and if you ever get the chance go there . I hope that the bee keeper on KI is safe and has moved what hives he can to the other end of the island to try to save as many as possible ,anyone who has been there will know of the significance of these bees as someone else said they are the purest strain of ligeran bee in the world .
 Now we can all understand that the climate is changing it has been changing since records started , i can remember when we had a drought here in south australia water restrictions for years then they built a desalination plant not to far from where i live ,next year it rained and rained and the plant has only this year been activated after ticking over for what must be at least 10 years or more ,now due to governement policy from a long time ago it is against the law for land owners to clear undergrowth such as lantana ect ,the fuel build up from the lack of controlled burning during the winter months has heightend this situation for the past many years , the people who have lost everything will be calling for blood on this subject  and some have given all fighting these fires as we have seen .
  What i would like to know is what are we going to do in the future ? will we reduce the fuel loads in our forests ? will we allow high country grazing again i am personnally sick of seeing nuckelheads glueing themselves to roads in the name of climate change .or dressing up in silly costumes like this extinction rebellion mob what is your answer because unless your thatched roof on your bush hut is covered with solar panels and your reading by candle light then you are kidding yourself .  Another thing is what will we do with all the arsonists who seem to enjoy lighting these fires i think there have been 135 caught in the eastern states  and i  know some have been caught here in S.A  n fact last night someone decided to set a small parkway on fire near my home why i do not know .
   Now for the bush ,yes it will take some time to regenerate but  lot of native trees require fire to release there seeds  and i have see photos of trees already starting to sprout new shoots after the fire has gone through ,the animals and wild life are a different story  as seen on the television they have also suffered greatly . We should thank our friends from overseas who have come to help us in our time of need and to all the fire fighters who have worked tirelessly to save people and property and to all those working behind the scenes to keep these brave men and women going , we need to take lessons from this tragedy in regards to the way we manage our forests how we react to bushfires and how we deal with those who deliberatly light these fires under the law .             
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: max2 on January 09, 2020, 11:39:25 pm
This is what crispy is taking about:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-10/kangaroo-island-residents-tell-of-survival-amid-bushfire-crisis/11857574
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: crispy on January 10, 2020, 01:33:38 am
I have just been told that the or one of the bee keepers on the island out of 1000 hives has lost 700 plus there are other beekeepers but dont know what there losses are , i dont know if the shop they have was taken in the fires or not but even so this will be devastating for the keeper and his business for some time will wait until the news tonight to see if any of this small ammount of rain we had has done any good lets hope so ,he also was a registered queen breeder as well but dont know if this has been affected ,hopefully he will get a grant from the government to help him and others get back on there feet it will be a while but lets hope it isnt the end . 
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: max2 on January 10, 2020, 04:16:45 pm
Here is the latest: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australian-bushfires-photos-before-and-after/11854888
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: sixtus on January 11, 2020, 08:42:52 am
A lot of the news and maps showing the Australian continent being on fire is fake.  Anything with the ring of fire around the top half of the countries coastline is blatantly ridculous, I live in those areas, we are in a rainy monsoon, not fires for heavens sake. The bushfires down south are bad, but its still only 7% of the continent.

Also a lot of these fires are being caused by people, both careless and malicsious arson. Police have charged almost 200 people this season. You notice its always the southern states with the most frequent bushfires. Namely because the population density is several times higher and far more people access the outdoors areas. You also have more people entering the out back than any other time in history with everyone having more leisure time and 4x4 vehicles these days

I believe climates fluctuates and Australia is no doubt going through a dry spell.But the idea these bushfires are all down to 'cimate change' I am happy to call the biggest pile of bull in history. Again, as mentioned there is a huge human element at work here as well.

Common sense is in short supply these days, glad I am finacially set up enough not to have to worry about the latest fads they use to brainwash the city folk. Convincing kids they can choose infinite genders and Australia becoming a continent of fire like out of some 60's sci-fi disaster movie, good heavens, what are folks smoking?
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 11, 2020, 09:18:52 am
The bushfires down south are bad, but its still only 7% of the continent.

Okay, so isn't the rest of the country sand?  I always get a charge out of someone who is not in a disaster zone saying it is no big deal to those that are.  Why in the hell are people coming from the other side of the world to help if it is no big deal?
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: sixtus on January 11, 2020, 07:50:42 pm
I am assuming you are not Australian..

No the rest of the country is not 'sand'. A lot of it is dry woodland, my state QLD is larger than the fire states combined, hotter and some areas more prone to burning than down south. We are actually enjoying a fairly mild summer here for the record.

As to quoting figures for the actual land under fire, that is not 'making light of a disaster', its called correcting some of the silly assumptions being spread around.

As to international firefighters being called in, ours also get called to Canada and the USA for their fires. part of the reason is you can't deploy all your domestic firefighters to a disaster as obviously you have no one handling regular emergency services in their departments.  its good pratice and very welcome to have injections of 'auxillary' firefighters during disasters.

And I do live in a disaster area thanks. As mentioned a lot of Australia is prone to bushfires and floods. This post was not to make light of myself or anyone else, but just to add some facts to the discussion.

Sorry if this conflicts with what you are being fed on the news. I was in emergency services and the army previously and prefer to deal with facts.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: CoolBees on January 11, 2020, 09:58:11 pm
Sixus - pls forgive Acebird.

I'm glad to hear your doing "ok" & that not all of Australia is burning. From a US Veteran to an Australian Veteran - "Thank you for your service Sir."
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2020, 10:16:24 pm
Sixus - pls forgive Acebird.

I'm glad to hear your doing "ok" & that not all of Australia is burning. From a US Veteran to an Australian Veteran - "Thank you for your service Sir."

Good post Alan, thanks sixtus for the clarification. Hopefully your neighbors to the south, which are in trouble, will be relieved soon.
Phillip
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: crispy on January 11, 2020, 11:49:36 pm
I was watching the news last night and although there are brain dead morons who go and light fires as one was near my home in the suburbs two nights ago a concensuis from the fire services has said that a lot of the blazes have been started by dry lightning strikes which is probably a fair assumption , but what grinds my gears is all these people calling on australia to do more , there were protests even in of all places england with all the problems they have they should worry about there own nest first . My opinion for these climate change people is practice what you preach ,no phones ,no computers ,no electricity,no gas ,no car ect ect . when you can do all these things and prove to me that you are more than hot air i will listen .
Why is greta the great not protesting at china and india probably two of the worst offender for pollution and greeenhouse /carbon emmisions  in the world yet somehow this brat managed to get an audience with the heads of western nations then posting a photo of poor me on a train going home sitting amongst her baggage ,thankfully the german authorities caught her out seeing that her party were in first class on said train .
We have hundreds if not thousands of brave men and women out fighting these fires , we have hundreds of people supporting them the countries around the world are sending help we have our defence forces activly assisting in many ways millions of dollars have been raised to help these people as well as food and clothing donations  but still we have these climate change people protesting ,heres an idea for you protesters next time there is lightning storm approaching run outside with a big metal rod in your hand so that the bush wont be set ablaze and it might just jolt some common sense into you .
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: sawdstmakr on January 12, 2020, 09:40:02 am
Good post Crispy,
Thanks.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 12, 2020, 09:47:18 am
Why is greta the great not protesting at china and india probably two of the worst offender for pollution and greeenhouse /carbon emmisions  in the world yet somehow this brat managed to get an audience with the heads of western nations then posting a photo of poor me on a train going home sitting amongst her baggage ,thankfully the german authorities caught her out seeing that her party were in first class on said train .
Everyone knows that if the US is not on board there will be no significant change in behavior.  China does not allow freedom of speech.  India is the reason why the US must be involved.  Greta comes from a well to do family and people with money like to be heard.
The point is Australia is in a disaster situation with the future looking even worse.  If 7% of the east coast of the US was burning up it would be a big deal.  Everyone knows the media extrapolates.  You would think the world was coming to an end every time there is a snow storm or a hurricane.  The fact is there is scientific evidence that climate is changing for the worse and it is a direct result from capitalistic nations.  Nature will balance the earth by changing forests to deserts and deserts to forests.  The billionaires are the only ones that will be able to make the move so their lives won't change.  That is why they have no concern for climate change.  If they can continue to bluff the people who it will change it is business as usual.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: iddee on January 12, 2020, 09:54:33 am
""The fact is there is scientific evidence that climate is changing""    TRUE

      ""and it is a direct result from capitalistic nations."......PURE BS

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Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: jimineycricket on January 12, 2020, 10:18:01 am
Sixtus, I am from a area that has forest fires ever year. We are in winter now with several feet of snow. Next August when things are burning I would be glad to see your hotshot crews come through town. Your fires should be down by then.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Michael Bush on January 12, 2020, 06:32:53 pm
The Aborigines used to burn off the plains every year.  They don't let them anymore.  The American Indians did the same here.  We had a wildfire like that back in  1910.  I'm sure it was global warming...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_1910
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 13, 2020, 09:18:06 am
The Aborigines used to burn off the plains every year.  They don't let them anymore.  The American Indians did the same here.  We had a wildfire like that back in  1910.  I'm sure it was global warming...
Mike it is not just the grass that is burning in Australia, CA, or CO.  It is the areas that had enough moisture for a long time to grow big trees and now there isn't.  Ironically FL is in danger because it grows everything fast so when the rain stops the whole state becomes a match box.  Control burns work to some degree in areas where there are not many people.  Moving 50 or a 100 tee pees is not the same as walking away from 100 billion dollars in real estate.  It is something like 10000 people a month moving to FL.  They are not moving inland they like the coast.  Buildings are getting taller and hurricanes are getting stronger.  FL is the classic display of climate change, too much rain and then not enough.  That is not a good equation.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: kathyp on January 13, 2020, 01:41:23 pm
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Buildings are getting taller and hurricanes are getting stronger.  FL is the classic display of climate change, too much rain and then not enough.  That is not a good equation.

I was with you to this point.  This is historically inaccurate. 
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Bob Wilson on January 13, 2020, 06:36:21 pm
I am not so sure, Kathy. I do think climate change has shifted the gulf stream some, and thawed the polar caps some, and changed our storm/hurricane situation. But I agree with Iddee. It is not man's doing, but the natural swing of the planet's climate cycle. Our carbon footprint is miniscule compared to natural cycle of the planet.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Geoff on January 14, 2020, 07:21:25 am
 
     
             " The Abo's lit fires because they got so stoned they dropped the bong."

   Not very nice Wet Bee, way out of whack with the policies of the forum and misinformation into the bargain. When the indigenous people started running control fires there would have been no bongs on the continent !  !
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Geoff on January 14, 2020, 07:48:51 am
   
    Only getting into the thread relating to the fires in Australia as we are probably only about 150 k's from the nearest burns ( it was only 5 k last year ) and the visibility today through the smoke at the worst got down to about 400 metres. The upside of that was there was next to no wind to drive the fires and the smoke arrived here due to a slight east wind drift and nothing more.

    Having experienced fires over the years it is still hard accept the reality of how extensive and damaging these have been and still are as they are ongoing and will be for some time in spite of some rain we expect to get late tomorrow.

    As soon as my sport season is over I hope to do a tour right through the affected states  which will involve some 1000's of kilometres of travel to try and get a photographic record of this previously unexperienced disaster.

    There will be so many stories of luck and tragedy to come when it's all over.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 14, 2020, 09:08:15 am
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Buildings are getting taller and hurricanes are getting stronger.  FL is the classic display of climate change, too much rain and then not enough.  That is not a good equation.

I was with you to this point.  This is historically inaccurate.
You don't think buildings are getting taller and hurricanes are getting stronger in FL?  These are words from codes in Palm Beach County.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: wet bee on January 24, 2020, 06:13:15 am
Your in Yinnar Geoff and do not live with our indigenous brothers and may I add have no idea.
They did not  light controlled fires. They were, as they are now , careless.
They do not give one brass razzo about farming or environmental control.
They care about themselves, nothing more.
They are 3.3 % of the population.
They are 30 % of the prison population (80% in the North)
What I am trying to tell you is not racism.
It is realism.
People from the south only make the indigenous plight worse with their armchair ignorance.
Would any indigenous beekeepers like to chime in?...
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Milo on January 24, 2020, 08:32:40 am
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What I am trying to tell you is not racism.
It is realism.
...

While you may honestly believe your initial post to be informative, witty and of relevance to the conversation on fires, your use of an offensive derogatory term deliberately aimed at offending aboriginal people, was in point of fact racist.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Acebird on January 24, 2020, 08:44:02 am
was in point of fact racist.
When you get to the route definition of a word and you can't believe what you are hearing the cause in every case is denial.  We got a lot of that going around here.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: wet bee on January 24, 2020, 08:52:40 am
was in point of fact racist.
When you get to the route definition of a word and you can't believe what you are hearing the cause in every case is denial.  We got a lot of that going around here.

What is it you can't believe your hearing?
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Beelab on January 29, 2020, 08:05:59 am
My aboriginal family is doing traditional burns up in Cape York, successfully. For centuries.
Some comments on this thread are just disgusting and the poster should be cautioned, if not removed from the forum.
He seems to know a couple of disconnected aboriginals that can?t cope in the western world.
Leave our communities to figure out their place.  They?ve been managing this land for thousands of years.
And they even noticed climate changes, as predicted in their stories.
Title: Re: Australian fires
Post by: Skeggley on January 29, 2020, 09:41:39 am
Here in the West we are still doing controlled prescribed burns throughout the cooler months but this is just a part of the control strategy.
Prevention, preparedness, response and recovery.
https://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/publications/AnnualReport200506/fire2.pdf