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Title: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on October 28, 2019, 12:19:28 am
Is it a railroad job that they are trying to pull on Roger Stone? Here Roger speak at the Oxford Union. Keep in mind this was uploaded almost 21 months ago.


https://youtu.be/TX0OHbbvmRs
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: CoolBees on November 07, 2019, 12:11:59 am
Interesting and good video Phillip. Educational in many ways. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: jvalentour on November 08, 2019, 01:23:15 pm
I believe he is being prosecuted for lying to Congress.  It was a sarcastic meaningless lie, but a lie never the less. 

Too bad we cannot prosecute Congress for lying to us.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: CoolBees on November 08, 2019, 01:26:37 pm
. ... Too bad we cannot prosecute Congress for lying to us.

Thats the truth - right there.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 08, 2019, 06:21:08 pm
It was a sarcastic meaningless lie,
Meaningless?  Quite a price to pay for such a meaningless lie.  He could get essentially the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 08, 2019, 09:31:02 pm
It was a sarcastic meaningless lie,
Meaningless?  Quite a price to pay for such a meaningless lie.  He could get essentially the rest of his life.

Thanks Ace as that is the point. Roger could get the rest of his life while Adam Shift gets up before the  whole world and and makes up lie after lie as he presented himself as quoting President Donald J Trumps conversation with the new Ukrainian President, Bald face, adulterated fifthly lie after lie, of said conversation. Mr Trump released the transcripts of that very SAME conversation, exposing Shift being the lier that he is. For every day that Roger Stone does, shift should do a Year!!  It is obvious that Shift and the far left are trying to throw out President, your President, my President based on lies in order to have their way! Simply because they do not like him. The impeachment word started immediately after the Inauguration, and finally after building enough courage, along with desperation,  are now acting. The whole republican party knows it , the independents know it and many of the self thinking democrats know it and any Constitutional loving American Citizen should not like it. I have die hard Democrat friends that do not like it either. Hum
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 08, 2019, 10:11:20 pm
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I believe he is being prosecuted for lying to Congress.

And that would be fine if the prosecutions were equally applied.  We have multiple examples of others lying to congress in ways that were not sarcastic and they were never prosecuted.  Comey, Clapper, and Brennan come to mind.  Their lies were not meaningless. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 09, 2019, 08:37:23 am
Roger could get the rest of his life while Adam Shift gets up before the  whole world and and makes up lie after lie as he presented himself as quoting President Donald J Trumps conversation with the new Ukrainian President, Bald face, adulterated fifthly lie after lie, of said conversation.
Ben,  The transcripts by themselves crucifies Trump.  And now as time goes by individual testimony substantiates the impeachable offence.  And it keeps getting worse for mr Trump.
What Trump will clearly be noted for in the history books, well not Kathy's, is he single handedly brought down the republican party to a point of no integrity.  Turned them into pawns.  The republican party had problems before Trump but he proved that they are incapable of governance.  With the two party system that we have today this is not good for the country.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 09, 2019, 12:25:49 pm
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The transcripts by themselves crucifies Trump.

this is how you can tell someone has only heard what the press has published and not read the transcripts themselves.  :wink:

I suspect the public hearings are going to be fun. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 09, 2019, 03:01:24 pm
Adam Shift gets up before the  whole world and  makes up lie after lie as he presented himself as quoting President Donald J Trumps conversation with the new Ukrainian President,  when the transcript proved shift was lying, as shift had lied to all America and the world. These same lies are the only reason that there is an impeachment inquiry in the first place. So the whole investigation in based on lies and deceit by shift and company.  Using you words (And now as time goes by individual testimony substantiates the impeachable offence.  And it keeps getting worse for mr Trump.) 
What shift is doing and counting on in my opinion,  is giving Never Trumpers, an opportunity to collude with, and throw in their cheep shots, with the the deep state hoping beyond hope that they can stop the justice which is coming against them. They know that Mr Trump has the goods on them and this may be their last, desperate chance to get rid him, short of physical violence. Again my opinion. I will end in saying, God Bless Mr Trump.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 10, 2019, 09:10:27 am
I suspect the public hearings are going to be fun.
Keep in mind who didn't want them public.  That in itself is another admission of guilt.  Who doesn't want to show his taxes, who doesn't want any conversation documented with foreign leaders, who doesn't want the american people to know the truth and is stone walling any attempt for congress to do their job, on and on and on?
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 10, 2019, 09:27:50 am
""Keep in mind who didn't want them public.  That in itself is another admission of guilt. Who doesn't want any conversation documented with foreign leaders, who doesn't want the American people to know the truth and is stone walling any attempt for congress to do their job, on and on and on?""

Shitt, er , shiffty, pee=lousy, and on and on and on, keep refusing to do their job while attacking the most transparent President in USA history.

THAT'S WHO.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 10, 2019, 09:44:58 am
Shitt, er , shiffty, pee=lousy, and on and on and on, keep refusing to do their job while attacking the most transparent President in USA history.

THAT'S WHO.
Clearly you and Trump have not a clue how our government is structured and the responsibilities of each branch.  Your not alone Wally.  It is common among his base.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 10, 2019, 10:26:12 am
Shitt, er , shiffty, pee=lousy, and on and on and on, keep refusing to do their job while attacking the most transparent President in USA history.

THAT'S WHO.
Clearly you and Trump have not a clue how our government is structured and the responsibilities of each branch.  Your not alone Wally.  It is common among his base.

Well Ace, Transparency is the way it should work. I agree Mr Trump is not a politician. He is transparent, that is why More and more of America appreciates him and those on the opposite side of the isle are beginning to appreciate this also. Perhaps that is why more and more minorities are now picking up steam in supporting him especially our black citizens? Perhaps that is why more and more independents and democrats are now beginning to support him, both privately and publicly. Perhaps America is sick of the way the crooks operate in Washington, sneaking, secretly, meeting in basements etc. Americans are now beginning to see, hear, and understand just how corrupt the establishment has become, even though the left, with all their hypnotizing influence pander, use, and pedal through their leftist leaning news industaries. Even some of the establishment is changing their tune. The impeachment thing is clearly backfiring on the extreme left and they know it, yet they do not know what else to do in order to stop the Make America Great Again movement or President Trumps clear message. So far everything they have tried has failed.  Including the ''six ways form sunday'' described by (shut my mouth) Chuck Schumer.The left are on a banana peeling along with their banana republic, sliding off into the obelisk, not even able to gain a hand hold, panic is their only friend now. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 10, 2019, 11:29:54 am
Ace, you and I have a very clear pic of our government. You agree with me and Ben framed, you just like to keep the fire going. Many years ago, I did the same. If I heard a Republican talking, I would be a Dem. for the conversation. If it were a Dem. talking, I would be a Rep. As I got older, the fun kinda left it and I stayed on the right side. You, too, will tire of the trolling as you age, and then the coffee house will die. You are about the only "left talker" still participating.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 10, 2019, 11:46:37 am
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Keep in mind who didn't want them public.  That in itself is another admission of guilt.  Who doesn't want to show his taxes, who doesn't want any conversation documented with foreign leaders, who doesn't want the american people to know the truth and is stone walling any attempt for congress to do their job, on and on and on?

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Clearly you and Trump have not a clue how our government is structured and the responsibilities of each branch. 

It was the Dems who started this, who are in charge, and who decide to keep it secret.  Congress can make whatever rules they want to make, but if they want to convince the population that they have a case, this is not a good start.  Something NP seems to have realized.

There is no requirement for providing tax info to the public.  Tax info is protected.  IF it is released, it is done by choice.  I think it was kind of stupid to get that started in the first place, but if someone chooses not to do it, that's fine.  Same thing with school grades, etc. 

Conversations are documented.  They are transcribed by several people and saved for the archives.  What they are not, and never should be, is public.  There are quite a few people in both parties that are not happy that Trump may have started a new thing by releasing that one.  Leaders need to be able to have confidential conversations with other leaders without fear of them becoming public. 

I'd love it if congress did it's job.  Seems to be a problem with both parties that they do not. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 11, 2019, 03:58:52 pm
Ace, you and I have a very clear pic of our government. You agree with me and Ben framed, you just like to keep the fire going. Many years ago, I did the same. If I heard a Republican talking, I would be a Dem. for the conversation. If it were a Dem. talking, I would be a Rep. As I got older, the fun kinda left it and I stayed on the right side. You, too, will tire of the trolling as you age, and then the coffee house will die. You are about the only "left talker" still participating.

I think you are right iddee, Ace knows what is up.  I also enjoy a good debate.  I am learning here from you all. One needs good solid facts in order to have a clear understanding of what is being debated. Unfortunately it seems that the left are doing all in there power to suppress free speech and solid information. Just a day or so ago, twitter placed one of OAN reporters on suspension for a matter that was not fair minded by twitter.  We really are in an information war. In this respect the left is way out in front stifling truth and promoting fake news to fit their agenda!  i think President is correct about this. Thank goodness enough facts are getting out that good Constitutionally minded Americans can make a fair judgement.

quoting Kathy
'I'd love it if congress did it's job.  Seems to be a problem with both parties that they do not.''

I agree my friend.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 12, 2019, 09:20:14 am
I think it was kind of stupid to get that started in the first place, but if someone chooses not to do it, that's fine.  Same thing with school grades, etc. 
Not if you are running for president and claiming to be a genius and a successful business man.  Let's not even bring up negotiator.  You don't have to be a psychologist to know that no one hides their accomplishments if they really have them.  With your line of thinking it wouldn't matter if you were a rapist or involved in any other criminal activity.  And that is where we are at.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 12, 2019, 09:40:53 am
I think it was kind of stupid to get that started in the first place, but if someone chooses not to do it, that's fine.  Same thing with school grades, etc. 
Not if you are running for president and claiming to be a genius and a successful business man.  Let's not even bring up negotiator.  You don't have to be a psychologist to know that no one hides their accomplishments if they really have them.  With your line of thinking it wouldn't matter if you were a rapist or involved in any other criminal activity.  And that is where we are at.

Brian, Mr Trump has already proven that he is brilliant and a successful (President). Just look at the past three years since he was elected. Look at the individual trees and you will see the forest in a better understanding. Look what he has accomplished and while fighting the establishment tooth and nail every step of the way. Day after day, they never let up. Including members of his own cabinet. Tillerson and Kelly for example, yet all the while, staying focused on the ongoings of our Country. What more proof do we need? , Rudy Giuliani was the very one that cleaned out the crooks of the day in New York?  Why would a ghostbuster like Rudy team up with a crook? Makes me think the real crooks are the obstructors? The Swamp? Keep in mind, I am a Mississippi country boy, perhaps I am just uninformed?

''Tillerson and Kelly for example''
 reference Nikki Haleys' new book
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 12, 2019, 12:07:31 pm
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With your line of thinking it wouldn't matter if you were a rapist or involved in any other criminal activity.  And that is where we are at.

You are equating not producing something that is not required with being a rapist or other type of criminal?  If no one hides their accomplishments why did Obama hide his college records?  After all, there were questions about those that never were answered.  Should we assume that the records would have shown a crime?

There are only a few Constitutional requirements for running for president.  Among them is not that tax documents must be released.  If they want to, that's fine, but if they don't want to it is equally fine. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 12, 2019, 12:33:36 pm
Only a fool would make public how he made ""and kept" billions of dollars.Trade secrets are well kept by all successful business men. It is ridiculous to think all his tax loophole secrets are going to be let out to all his competitors.

Like he said, he didn't make the financial laws, he just abides by them, even and especially when they benefits him. If they don't like it, they should change the laws.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 12, 2019, 05:45:05 pm
>Adam Shift gets up before the  whole world and  makes up lie after lie as he presented himself as quoting President Donald J

Then Adam claims he was doing a parody.  Then Nancy Pelosi quotes Shiff on Anderson Cooper and Cooper tries to correct her and she insists that that's exactly what Trump said and Cooper can't convince her otherwise...  That's what she gets for believing the fake news...
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 12, 2019, 09:01:06 pm
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That's what she gets for believing the fake news...

and unfortunately it took several rounds before the Republicans called him on it.  That was almost as appaling as what he did.  wonder how many people believed what he said since it went unchallenged for so long?
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 13, 2019, 08:56:50 am
Like he said, he didn't make the financial laws, he just abides by them,
Because he says so? ... when all he has done is lie? ... publicly!   Why is his base so quick to believe a liar?  He misused charitable contributions which is a tax violation but you believe he has nothing to hide.  I am not that naive.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 13, 2019, 10:58:33 am
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Because he says so? ... when all he has done is lie? ... publicly!   Why is his base so quick to believe a liar?  He misused charitable contributions which is a tax violation but you believe he has nothing to hide.  I am not that naive.

Tax law is extremely convoluted.  Anyone who is doing anything other than the short form has probably broken IRS rules or laws at one time or another and usually not on purpose.   Trump doesn't do his own taxes.  He'd be foolish to do his own taxes.  So if we get his tax returns we are getting what his accountant did, not what Trump did.  Granted, no matter who does our taxes we are responsible, but the idea that we will find that Trump himself did some nefarious thing in filing his taxes is kinda dumb.  Perhaps his accountant is dirty?   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 13, 2019, 12:01:34 pm
He lies less tahn any politician I know. Many times less than shitt, er, shiff.  If you didn't believe a liar, you would be 125% against the dems.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 13, 2019, 02:18:08 pm
>when all he has done is lie? ... publicly!

Name one.  Date time and context.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 13, 2019, 04:54:54 pm
C'mon, Micheal give him one that is at least possible, if not feasible.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 13, 2019, 05:15:54 pm
It's easy to find Trump either using some hyperbole ("best ever" etc.) or being generic when he should be specific, but lying I haven't seen yet.  He is a politician (now anyway) so he's bound to get caught lying sooner or later.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: jvalentour on November 13, 2019, 09:24:15 pm
Roger is a bomb thrower from the right.
He got caught up in the wiki leaks scandal.
FBI/CIA scum trying to put him away to silence critics.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
Eric Ciaramella is a rat.
Seth Rich died at the hands of HRC, or Bill.

I once said on this site "Bee Lives Matter" and my post was deleted.  Let's see my friends.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: incognito on November 13, 2019, 10:00:20 pm
Tax law is extremely convoluted.  Anyone who is doing anything other than the short form has probably broken IRS rules or laws at one time or another and usually not on purpose.   Trump doesn't do his own taxes.  He'd be foolish to do his own taxes.  So if we get his tax returns we are getting what his accountant did, not what Trump did.  Granted, no matter who does our taxes we are responsible, but the idea that we will find that Trump himself did some nefarious thing in filing his taxes is kinda dumb.  Perhaps his accountant is dirty? 
I doubt that there is more than one senator or congressman that would understand Trump's tax returns if they had access to them.

I doubt that his tax accountant is dirty.
A quick internet search, including The Security and Exchange Commission's website, shows that one of Trump's Companies paid Ernst and Young over half a million dollars for tax services several years ago. Ernst and Young is one of the Big Four international accounting firms.
I assume that one of the Big Four firms are preparing his tax returns, if not Ernst and Young. If not one of the big four, then I assume a second tier firm is preparing the returns.
Treasury Circular No. 230, section 10.34 spells out some of the standards that tax return preparers must adhere to, not to mention professional and ethical standards.
However, it is highly likely that his returns may include one or more aggressive (but not abusive) tax positions.

Even if his returns had no aggressive tax positions, making his returns still subject to audit available for the scrutiny of his enemies would be foolish, to put it politely.

Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: jvalentour on November 13, 2019, 10:08:17 pm

Posted by: incognito
? on: Today at 10:00:20 pm ?

 Incog my friend,
Julian Assange was once asked where is the dirt on Donald Trump?
He famously responded, there is none, it's all in the New York Times....


Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: incognito on November 13, 2019, 10:13:52 pm
Well, maybe not all of it.  But that is fine by me.
Trump  is probably no better or worse that the rest of the holy than thou Washington crowd. That is the sickening irony of it all.

Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: jvalentour on November 13, 2019, 11:44:51 pm
Well, maybe not all of it.  But that is fine by me.

If it was out there the dems would have put out my friend.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: iddee on November 14, 2019, 06:40:55 am
It is the same as Nixon. If they did nothing wrong that is punishable, get the media to say they did enough times and often enough for the public to believe it. It has been proven to work many times.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2019, 12:06:28 pm
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It is the same as Nixon.

IDK.  there was enough evidence of obstruction of justice for a real crime that I don't think the Nixon impeachment was out of line for the times. FF to Clinton though, and he also engaged in obstruction of justice for a real crime and not removed.  It would have been interesting to see what happened to Nixon if he'd fought it out, but given the times, I think he would have been removed.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: incognito on November 14, 2019, 12:23:31 pm
The Clinton process taught me that impeachment is a political process, not a just process.
That result was disappointing considering the undisputed facts. A sad milestone for our country.
That result makes it hard to take this one seriously. This one will likely have the same political result. Trump is unlikely to be removed involuntarily, no matter what the facts are.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 14, 2019, 12:34:54 pm
I think Nixon would have won out in the end and I think he knew it, he just thought he was no longer valuable as a president when they were spending all their time hamstringing his presidency.  He did what he thought best for the country, not himself.  Just like he did not contest the election when Kennedy won even though it was close and there was obvious voter fraud in Illinois.   
 He probably won if you throw out the fraud.  He thought it better for the country if he did not contest it.  So the president who thought the country was more important than himself, got us OUT of the Vietnam war, reestablished relations with China, started the EPA, ended the draft, started D?tente with Russia, stopped nuclear proliferation with an Anti-Ballistic missile treaty, negotiated a middle east treaty and all anyone remembers is Watergate and they don't even remember that the only involvement he had was trying to keep it from becoming public.  His reelection was the biggest landslide of the electoral college since Washington got 100%.  520 electoral votes to 17 for McGovern.  Once all the anti-war protesters die off he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in US history.  Of course he had to mess that up with wage and price controls...
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Post by: iddee on November 14, 2019, 12:50:24 pm
AMEN. Thank you, MB.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2019, 01:01:30 pm
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Once all the anti-war protesters die off he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in US history.

I think this is true.  Few presidents accomplished more and it has been ignored.  I am not sure that he would have won though.  That was a time people really did care about character and his was pretty damaged by that point.  We'll never know, but I agree that he put the country first by resigning, as did Ford by pardoning him.  Ford is another who is very under-rated. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 14, 2019, 05:41:47 pm
I think Nixon would have won out in the end and I think he knew it, he just thought he was no longer valuable as a president when they were spending all their time hamstringing his presidency.  He did what he thought best for the country, not himself.  Just like he did not contest the election when Kennedy won even though it was close and there was obvious voter fraud in Illinois.   
 He probably won if you throw out the fraud.  He thought it better for the country if he did not contest it.  So the president who thought the country was more important than himself, got us OUT of the Vietnam war, reestablished relations with China, started the EPA, ended the draft, started D?tente with Russia, stopped nuclear proliferation with an Anti-Ballistic missile treaty, negotiated a middle east treaty and all anyone remembers is Watergate and they don't even remember that the only involvement he had was trying to keep it from becoming public.  His reelection was the biggest landslide of the electoral college since Washington got 100%.  520 electoral votes to 17 for McGovern.  Once all the anti-war protesters die off he will be remembered as one of the greatest presidents in US history.  Of course he had to mess that up with wage and price controls...

Mr Nixon wrote a letter to Donald Trump many years ago encouraging him. Roger has a Nixon tattoo on his back. Roger also worked for Nixon and has been friends with Mr Trump since. When Mr Trumps executive helicopter went down a few years ago, Mr. Trump was supposed to have been on board. Just before Mr. Trump left to board the helicopter, Rodger called and told him he had some very important Business to talk to him about. Mr. Trump ask Rodger if they could discuss it later as he had to leave immediately. Rodger told him it was imperative that they talk immediately so Mr. Trump said come on I will catch another. While they were in the office discussing the important business, Mr. Trump received a telephone call informing him that the helicopter had went down and there were no survivors. I heard Rodger say this out of his own mouth. Some say Roger Stone saved Donald Trump?s life. Rodger said he did no such thing, he attributes it to the glory of God. He said it was God?s intervention that saved Donald Trump that day. ?I was just a tool?  Now the left is trying to destroy each of them Simultaneously. Coincidence I think not.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 14, 2019, 05:46:33 pm
>He put the country first by resigning, as did Ford by pardoning him.  Ford is another who is very under-rated.

Yes.  Ford "fell on his sword" to end all that so the country could get back to work.  He might have made a good president for another term, but the left was too angry about the pardon for that to ever happen.  It was political suicide for the good of the country.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 15, 2019, 09:27:34 am
I'd be willing to pardon Trump if he would resign. LOL
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Ben Framed on November 15, 2019, 10:24:39 am
I'd be willing to pardon Trump if he would resign. LOL

 :grin:
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 15, 2019, 12:01:15 pm
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I'd be willing to pardon Trump if he would resign.

Then he could run again!   :grin:
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 15, 2019, 05:48:13 pm
Then he could run again!   :grin:

I think you mean hide.

It looks like they through the book at Roger.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 15, 2019, 07:37:27 pm
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It looks like they through the book at Roger.

They threw the book at Roger.  That's fine.  What is not fine is that the law has not been applied equally.  How many others have lied to congress and not be tried, much less convicted?  it is not OK to have a legal system that does not equally apply the law.  This is what 3rd world banana republics do. 
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 16, 2019, 08:39:10 am
Common Kathty don't you mean "$hit holes"?
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Kathyp on November 16, 2019, 11:52:21 am
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ommon Kathty don't you mean "$hit holes"

That is a more accurate description.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 18, 2019, 08:41:28 am
>And that is where we are at.

He doesn't have to release his tax returns and you don't have to vote for him.   Sounds fair to me.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 19, 2019, 09:18:53 am
>And that is where we are at.

He doesn't have to release his tax returns ...
Actually they have been subpoenaed, so yes he does.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 19, 2019, 09:55:56 am
>Actually they have been subpoenaed, so yes he does.

He IS the executive branch.  So he does not have to.  He can claim executive privilege.
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Acebird on November 19, 2019, 05:58:21 pm
He can claim executive privilege.
For a while...
Title: Re: Roger Stone | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union
Post by: Michael Bush on November 20, 2019, 08:34:31 am
I would if I were him.