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Title: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 23, 2019, 10:04:32 am
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Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 25, 2019, 09:48:45 am
Anything other than a flat tax is manipulation.  Anything other than a flat tax benefits the higher end.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: sawdstmakr on October 25, 2019, 06:47:50 pm
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 25, 2019, 07:22:38 pm
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
Jim Altmiller

Jim, I stated before, I have a theory that Brian, being a New Yorker along with Mr Trump also being form New York. Now Brian is living within a rocks throw from Mar-a-Lago, I wonder if Brian is secretly working for Mr Trump!! :wink:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 26, 2019, 09:56:30 am
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
Jim Altmiller
LOL one would question what a conservative is these days.  It sure isn't balancing the budget, bettering the lives of the american people or reducing corruption.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 26, 2019, 01:46:32 pm
Average wage earner up over 5,000 annually since Trump was elected. Lowest unemployment in 50 years. I don't know what you would call bettering the lives of American people, unless you are referring to bums, welfare recipients, criminals, and no-goods. Then you may be right, and I hope it continues.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on October 26, 2019, 02:07:51 pm
Ace,
Once again you?re showing your conservative side. 😊
Jim Altmiller
LOL one would question what a conservative is these days.  It sure isn't balancing the budget, bettering the lives of the american people or reducing corruption.

I would (loosely & somewhat) agree with you on this Ace. ... but your statement could be easily be said about both Parties.

In today's world - if a Republican politician is corrupt, our media makes it "Front Page News" for a week or more ... if a Democrat does the same, it goes unmentioned and we are forced to dig to find the answers, and then we are Name-Called for pointing out the corruption in the Candidate - case-in-point, the very corrupt, and recently deceased Elijah Cummings.

Another Peeve of mine - gutless Republicans - they run for office, make promises, and then refuse to do the right thing - case-in-point, the ever-gutless Mitt Romney.

Another Peeve - Democrats that claim to want to "Save the Environment" ... and then sell out the the highest bidder at 1st chance - (most of them)

Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

The only person in Washington that I see actually trying to DO something to better people's lives - is Trump.  Period.... thankfully, some of what he'd like to do is getting thru, and is working. The rest is being blocked - always by the Dems, and sometimes also by the Repubs.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 26, 2019, 08:40:38 pm
Average wage earner up over 5,000 annually since Trump was elected. Lowest unemployment in 50 years. I don't know what you would call bettering the lives of American people, unless you are referring to bums, welfare recipients, criminals, and no-goods. Then you may be right, and I hope it continues.

That's right iddee
7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps. Since the election. Unemployment has reached its lowest rate in 50 years, unemployment for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Asian Americans, have hit the all time lowest rates in the history of our country. Wages are rising fast and they are growing twice as fast for low income workers, they have the biggest percentage increase. 1.3 million fewer children live in poverty than when Mr Trump was elected, that's 1.3 MILLION people.  He cut a record number of job killing regulations.  He and his team, (he again said WE), have passed the largest package of tax cuts and reforms in American History. Nearly a trillion dollars has already been poured back home. People had their money in other places and couldn't bring it back in, it was prohibited, the legislation was impossible but he and his team got rid of it, (again he said  WE), got rid of it.  Over  a TRILLION dollars has been brought back in and it's being spent  building right here in the United States instead building overseas. Meanwhile THE MAJOR  DEMOCRATS running for president have pledged to abolish American production of oil and natural gas, at least in Louisiana as his Louisiana speech is where I watched and heard this information. . Now tell me how that makes sense?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 27, 2019, 09:17:58 am

Another Peeve of mine - gutless Republicans - they run for office, make promises, and then refuse to do the right thing - case-in-point, the ever-gutless Mitt Romney.
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The only person in Washington that I see actually trying to DO something to better people's lives - is Trump.
You were doing good except for these two.
You can call the whole senate gutless.  Total fear to do there job and oppose anything trump says or tries to do, no matter how distasteful it is.
Trump has only tried to better his own life and a few family members.  He has no care for anyone else.  One thing he has mastered is brain washing.  He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 27, 2019, 09:28:44 am
Walley and Ben, you are both parrots.  You are not going to get accurate information from fox.  This is the brain washing I speak off.  Constantly saying something is wrong over time makes you believe it is right.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2019, 10:07:31 am
Poor, poor, Ace. The only chance at getting anything right is Fox. If it's wrong there, you can't get it right. The other MSMs are known socialists run by the mafia and will never tell anything to help the peons. "Normal citizens"  That's why they hate Trump so much. He is doing for the middle guy. Again, I think you know that, but are just trolling. You just keep posting about the "wrongs" of Trump, when all signs are totally opposite and you don't, "and can't" back any of it up. You even deny it when it is laid out right to you.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 27, 2019, 12:20:16 pm
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Anything other than a flat tax benefits the higher end.

If you look at who pays the majority of the taxes in this country you will see this is not true.  I am in favor of a flat tax that everyone pays, but to say that the current progressive tax system favors the rich is false.

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Total fear to do there job and oppose anything trump says or tries to do, no matter how distasteful it is.
Trump has only tried to better his own life and a few family members.  He has no care for anyone else.  One thing he has mastered is brain washing.  He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.

Once again I will ask you to back up your assertions.  I do think he would be hard to work for.  He's not one to suffer people who are not on the same page.
How has he bettered his own life at the expense of others?

While his morality in his sex life is questionable,  that's certainly not anything new in presidents.  In what way has he tried to convince you that his fooling around is morally right?  As far as I can see, the only thing he as argued is that he has broken no laws.

Examples of how he cares for no one else?



Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 27, 2019, 09:54:51 pm
Walley and Ben, you are both parrots.  You are not going to get accurate information from fox.  This is the brain washing I speak off.  Constantly saying something is wrong over time makes you believe it is right.

 :shocked: Ace my friend, you are a trip ...  :wink: 
I would have gotten the very same information form CNN, MSNBC, or any other network, had they broadcasted the speech. The speech is where I got the information, straight from the Presidents' own mouth. I feel sure that I got the numbers right. Even though he is a fast talker, it good that he repeats himself for the benefit of clear communication, that way everyone should be able to understand his words. Even the slow minded. I know that you are fast minded so I must again agree with iddee from his quote below.  You are not tricking me as I feel my hunch is correct in that I really want to know, how long have you known or worked for Mr Trump?  :wink:

 
Poor, poor, Ace. The only chance at getting anything right is Fox. If it's wrong there, you can't get it right. The other MSMs are known socialists run by the mafia and will never tell anything to help the peons. "Normal citizens"  That's why they hate Trump so much. He is doing for the middle guy. Again, I think you know that, but are just trolling. You just keep posting about the "wrongs" of Trump, when all signs are totally opposite and you don't, "and can't" back any of it up. You even deny it when it is laid out right to you.

 :wink: You got it iddee.  Looks as if there is a dead cat on the line somewhere!! HA HAAA HAAAA.  I feel sure in time, when the dust settles, Brian will fill us in on the rest of the story.... :wink:
Phillip



Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 28, 2019, 09:31:33 am
If you look at who pays the majority of the taxes in this country you will see this is not true.  I am in favor of a flat tax that everyone pays, but to say that the current progressive tax system favors the rich is false.

If what we had was a progressive tax system, period.  You would be right.  But all these systems come with loop holes so the high end earners avoid taxes altogether.  A flat tax would eliminate a major portion of the IRS.  No filing just a deduction from your earnings and that is it.  We do not have a progressive tax system, not even close.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 28, 2019, 09:43:47 am
As far as I can see, the only thing he as argued is that he has broken no laws.
It is helpful to be blind or look the other way.  I suppose Al Capone didn't break any laws. :rolleyes:
He is a gangster.  He gets other people to break the law at his wishes being careful that there is a fall guy.  Working for him is easy, you just have to be a brainless suck hole and do whatever he wants no matter how immoral or illegal it is.
Kathy, he comes from a gangster father.  Was taught how to do it.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Michael Bush on October 28, 2019, 09:46:33 am
>Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

That used to be the case until George W. Bush was in office.  he spent money like a democrat. He didn't just allow it, he encouraged it.  I would listen to his State of the Union addresses and they all sounded like a democrat.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 28, 2019, 04:01:32 pm
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If what we had was a progressive tax system, period.  You would be right.  But all these systems come with loop holes so the high end earners avoid taxes altogether.  A flat tax would eliminate a major portion of the IRS.  No filing just a deduction from your earnings and that is it.  We do not have a progressive tax system, not even close.

The breakdown of who pays the most taxes is available online and I know I have posted it before.  Regardless of what the rich do to take advantage of tax laws, they still pay the majority of the federal taxes.  The bottom 1/2 pays nothing.

I do agree with you about the flat tax.  It would be fair to both the rich, and the poor if all were paying it.

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It is helpful to be blind or look the other way.  I suppose Al Capone didn't break any laws.

there is a difference between what has been done and what has been argued.  You said he'd convinced....which means we are talking about what he has argued. 
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He has convinced a large number of people to believe what is morally wrong is right.

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He is a gangster.  He gets other people to break the law at his wishes being careful that there is a fall guy.

If you are going to make an assertion, you need to be able to back it up.  To avoid that, you can preference your comments with something like "in my opinion". 

We have had several presidents and politicians brought up by "gangsters".  Kennedy comes immediately to mind. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 29, 2019, 08:56:59 am
Yes, the Kennedy's were gangsters and John and his brother died like one.  However Trump will not be remembered like the Kennedy's even if the same happens.  The hand full of CIA agents will not be able to protect his family and you can be sure ISIS, the Kurds, and half the world will be gunning for them.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 29, 2019, 09:01:41 am
>Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

That used to be the case until George W. Bush was in office. 

You are leaving out Trump!  No president has created a bigger deficit or ignored the budget in general which he has no authority to do so.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 29, 2019, 09:14:47 am
 Are you serious?  O'bummer increased the debt more than all the prior presidents put together.Get your numbers right.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 29, 2019, 12:11:44 pm
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No president has created a bigger deficit or
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ignored the budget in general which he has no authority to do so.

Obama still holds the number one place for both debt and deficit as his budget goes through the 1st year of the Trump admin (2017).  The president does put out his budget wishes and there is generally wrangling between what the president wants and what Congress will actually do.  Congress writes the budget.  The president gets it.  Sometimes it goes through as is and sometimes they argue about things, with the president having veto power and the Congress able to override the veto if they have enough votes. 

Rarely does Congress actually complete a budget on time and there have been years when they didn't even get one done.  Thus the continuing resolutions to fund things while they fool around.

We do have high deficit spending right now and the will add to the debt if revenue does not increase. However, it is not the highest deficit spending we have had, nor the highest % of GDP. 
Since revenue is up, we have a spending problem.  Since 2/3 of the budget goes to mandatory spending, we have a problem with mandates.   

Maybe you can explain what you mean by ignored the budget and his authority bit?

Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on October 29, 2019, 03:40:08 pm
>Balancing the Budget - both parties are Guilty equally - the Dems for running (most of) the debt up, the Repubs for doing absolutely Nothing about it.

That used to be the case until George W. Bush was in office.  he spent money like a democrat. He didn't just allow it, he encouraged it.  I would listen to his State of the Union addresses and they all sounded like a democrat.

True



You are leaving out Trump!  No president has created a bigger deficit or ignored the budget in general which he has no authority to do so.

This is simply not true Ace. At all.

Are you serious?  O'bummer increased the debt more than all the prior presidents put together.Get your numbers right.

Correct - 'Bummer holds all the records in this category.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 29, 2019, 06:01:26 pm
You guys really got to get off from fox.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 29, 2019, 07:06:08 pm
If we ever want to leave the truth and go to fairy land, we will.

If you decide to come over to the real world, consider this an invite.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ratings-fox-news-msnbc-cnn-october-40th-monthly-win

You may want to join the grown-ups.

""?Hannity? also finished first among the key demo of adults age 25-54, averaging 564,000 viewers in the coveted range. Sean Hannity?s show has now finished No. 1 in both total viewers and the demo for seven straight months.""
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on October 29, 2019, 10:13:36 pm
You guys really got to get off from fox.

I can only speak for myself here. ...

I've actually never watched fox. ... I saw CNN 1 day a few months ago while waiting for my car to get fixed - I was gagging. I don't watch any news. Or read the newspaper. Or get my news from "Al Gore's" internet.  :grin:

I read books. I have a large library. I'm self educated. I think - for a living.

"Those that don't know their history, are condemned to repeat it" - (author unverifiable according to "al gore's" internet)

... history books, biographies, technical books, etc, are what I read. (I've read 2 bee books - apparently I chose the wrong authors). On the Internet - I read Beemaster. My studies solidified my opinions long before finding this fine site.

... my thought process is based on common sense (which, as I've discovered, ain't all that common anymore), facts, history, & critical thinking. ...  not fox news ... sorry to disappoint.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 29, 2019, 11:04:00 pm
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You guys really got to get off from fox.

I find this to be the default response from people who can't think for themselves.  They assume the same of others.   :wink:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on October 30, 2019, 12:21:52 am
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You guys really got to get off from fox.

I find this to be the default response from people who can't think for themselves.  They assume the same of others.   :wink:


 :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy: ... great, there goes my beer!  :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 30, 2019, 08:14:52 am
(I've read 2 bee books - apparently I chose the wrong authors).
This is the trouble with reading books ... you get one viewpoint at a time.  No different than fox.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 30, 2019, 08:35:39 am
(I've read 2 bee books - apparently I chose the wrong authors).
This is the trouble with reading books ... you get one viewpoint at a time.  No different than fox.

Ace, what is your news source of choice?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 30, 2019, 11:06:30 am
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This is the trouble with reading books ... you get one viewpoint at a time.  No different than fox.

Hate to keep doing this (not  :grin:), but once again you are making a statement.  Since you have this opinion of a network, are we to assume you watch FOX and have come to this conclusion after watching? 

After having spent years watching all of them, I can say with some assurance of accuracy, that there is no network that is unbiased.  I will also say that if I compare something like MSNBC programming with FOX programming I am more apt to get balance from almost any show on FOX than MSNBC.  Unfortunately, CNN is pretty much going the same way as MSNBC. 

The only way to get any sense of truth is to research all stories from multiple sources.  Most people don't/can't do that, and so they vomit back whatever they hear on their chosen source.  For that reason, if I am limited on time and want to most balance I can get quickly, I know I am more likely to get multiple points of view on some FOX shows.  Any source should be a jumping off point for your own research. Not Ipecac for debate points. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 30, 2019, 06:06:37 pm
Ace, what is your news source of choice?
PBS, BBC and I use to watch Canadian stations which are hard to get in FL.  MSNBC when I am force to.  My brother came down for a visit last week and of course he is glued to fox news.  I showed him where it was on the sapper.  The interviewer was showing the democrats in a favorable way so we only watched about 10 minutes.  I was laughing inside.
Fox is like the Trump administration.  So many people quitting or getting fired.  To me that is an indication of trouble.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 30, 2019, 06:14:27 pm
From reply #23 link, and thread "dumb liberals", it looks more like a sign of success, in the Trump admin and with Fox.
Pulling weeds and keeping the flowers, AKA "draining the swamp".   :wink:  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 30, 2019, 06:16:13 pm
The only way to get any sense of truth is to research all stories from multiple sources.
That is the hard way.  If you simply look at what a person says or does or a network say and does you can get a good indication of what they will say and do in the future because a liar can't stop himself from lying.  It is like trusting Putin.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 30, 2019, 06:18:58 pm
From reply #23 link, and thread "dumb liberals", it looks more like a sign of success, in the Trump admin and with Fox.
Pulling weeds and keeping the flowers, AKA "draining the swamp".   :wink:  :cheesy:

Sure Walley, the alligator is draining the swamp :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 30, 2019, 06:58:32 pm
Opinions are like...........ETC.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 30, 2019, 07:00:24 pm
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PBS, BBC and I use to watch Canadian stations which are hard to get in FL.  MSNBC when I am force to.

So everything you watch is left leaning yet you think you are getting a full picture?  I'll keep doing it the hard way.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 30, 2019, 09:09:04 pm
From reply #23 link, and thread "dumb liberals", it looks more like a sign of success, in the Trump admin and with Fox.
Pulling weeds and keeping the flowers, AKA "draining the swamp".   :wink:  :cheesy:

Sure Walley, the alligator is draining the swamp :rolleyes:

🤣  I?ve got to hand it to you, that was funny. But I think you are confused, Mr Trump is like Troy Landry. He is the alligator hunter, but it looks like the alligator has latched on to him! Shifty two eyes 👀 Shift.  I have confidence that the truth will prove more powerful than the forces of the basement dwellers of the far left. PS they even like working in the basement of the White House.


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PBS, BBC and I use to watch Canadian stations which are hard to get in FL.  MSNBC when I am force to. My brother came down for a visit last week and of course he is glued to fox news.  I showed him where it was on the sapper.  The interviewer was showing the democrats in a favorable way so we only watched about 10 minutes.
 

Does you brother work with you, (for Mr Trump?)     :wink:  JK

Maybe brother can convince you to come on over to the right.  :shocked: 
In case your brother reads this, Keep working on him brother.   :wink:

Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 31, 2019, 01:54:15 am
Brian, this is why you should consider adding fox to your list of sources. I rather doubt that you will get this on BBc or the others that you mentioned, at this point in time. 

Sean Hannity Oct. 30 2019    16 minutes. If you watch this please tell me what part is not true?

https://youtu.be/oM-bwP05m1k
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 31, 2019, 02:01:40 am
Or this

Tucker Carlson about 5 minutes

https://youtu.be/R45YwzuUYn8
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 31, 2019, 09:14:10 am
So everything you watch is left leaning yet you think you are getting a full picture?
The BBC and most foreign stations are considered neutral, even al jeerzra, when you are talking left or right.  Fox is heavily influenced by Trump.  If someone portrays Trump in a bad way they are gone.  There is a good reason why there are no other right leaning news networks.  Most of their reporting is fabrication.
Before he was elected Trump claimed the elections were rigged.  He was right, he was doing it.  He also claims the "media" leaving out Fox is fake news.  Again that is what he is doing with fox.  He claims himself as a genius but by all standards he is an idiot.  He touts himself as an accomplished business man but he has a string of failures such that no american bank will lend him money.  He gets money from a foreign bank that is notorious for laundering money.  And they ain't happy with him either.
So Kathy, when you are researching to find the truth are you wearing blinders?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 31, 2019, 09:25:38 am
Ben, it is like a preacher standing at the pulpit telling you what he believes the bible says.  If you compare Hannity to Rachel at least Rachel has a fist full of public documents highlighted to back up what she is saying.  I didn't see that with this character.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on October 31, 2019, 09:49:01 am
""The BBC and most foreign stations are considered neutral, even al jeerzra, when you are talking left or right.""

The last I heard, al-jazeera was owned by Al Gore. NEUTRAL?? HA HA HA
BBC is not much better.

"If someone portrays Trump in a bad way they are gone."
More BS.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-hiding-plain-sight

And the rest is just made up lies not deserving of a reply.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on October 31, 2019, 10:14:44 am
Brian,
Christiane Amanpour and Robert Costa of PBS are a pair of unabashed left leaning hosts on PBS.  They make no effort to present a balanced show.  You really should mix up your news sources. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on October 31, 2019, 11:55:48 am
Ben, it is like a preacher standing at the pulpit telling you what he believes the bible says.  If you compare Hannity to Rachel at least Rachel has a fist full of public documents highlighted to back up what she is saying.  I didn't see that with this character.

Got to love you Ace.  😁. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 31, 2019, 12:23:59 pm
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The BBC and most foreign stations are considered neutral, even al jeerzra, when you are talking left or right.  Fox is heavily influenced by Trump.  If someone portrays Trump in a bad way they are gone.  There is a good reason why there are no other right leaning news networks.  Most of their reporting is fabrication.
Before he was elected Trump claimed the elections were rigged.  He was right, he was doing it.  He also claims the "media" leaving out Fox is fake news.  Again that is what he is doing with fox.  He claims himself as a genius but by all standards he is an idiot.  He touts himself as an accomplished business man but he has a string of failures such that no american bank will lend him money.  He gets money from a foreign bank that is notorious for laundering money.  And they ain't happy with him either.
So Kathy, when you are researching to find the truth are you wearing blinders?

I need to quit drinking coffee when I read your posts.  It is a waste of good coffee to use it as a sinus wash!   :grin:

No, most foreign sources are not considered neutral.  Most are left-leaning.  Some are less left-leaning than others and all of the opinion stuff is left-leaning.  why does the opinion stuff matter if you are looking for unbiased stuff?  Because the same editors and producers who do the news also pass on the opinion stuff.  No one, I don't care how careful they think they are, can keep opinion from leaking into what they do either with words or choices of stories.  Sky  News is popular in the UK for the same reason FOX is popular here.  When SKY  started people realized they were not getting the full story from the BBC.

AJ being unbiased is just laughable. 

I will take your opinion on FOX when I know you have watched it and are not just vomiting back leftist propaganda.  FOX is as popular as it is, not because there are so many conservatives in the country, but because people know they will get the rest of the story.  That part of the story the places like the rabidly left (Turner must be very disappointed) CNN will not show you.

Are FOX opinion shows mostly conservative?  Yes.  Do most in some way support Trump?  Yes, but not all. There are at least 2 that are very balanced.   There are several never Trumpers on there.
 Every one of them that chooses to share will tell you that FOX does not censor their opinions or reporting.  I don't know of any of them who have left and blamed network censorship for leaving.  The same can not be said for other networks. 

I don't care if you don't like or watch FOX, but I'd like to know on what you base your opinion if you don't watch?  If you are just repeating what you have heard on other networks or your other news sources, you have made my point. 

If you consume as news only what you want to hear, you will have peace in your echo chamber, but will be woefully uninformed.

Trump:  Yes, he is bombastic.  This was a known before he was elected so it is no surprise. 

Have you ever looked at the business failures of other notable people?  Look up Henry Ford and some of the harebrained schemes he had that failed miserably.





Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on October 31, 2019, 02:58:19 pm

I need to quit drinking coffee when I read your posts.  It is a waste of good coffee to use it as a sinus wash!   :grin:

Agreed.  :cheesy:

... If you consume as news only what you want to hear, you will have peace in your echo chamber, but will be woefully uninformed....

Oh man, that's Quote-Worthy! Very well said!
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 31, 2019, 05:04:54 pm
I don't care if you don't like or watch FOX, but I'd like to know on what you base your opinion if you don't watch?

The reality is you can't avoid any network unless you are a hermit with no connection to the outside world.  Even on Msnbc you will get clips of Fox news.  Your smart phone will beam in clips, FaceBook will roll clips.  Comedians will reference Fox.  Any form of communication will be polluted with clips.  Even this forum as you all have witnessed.  Now I know there are a number of people with left views on this forum but for some reason these people are not throwing propaganda news stories in your face.  Why do you think that is Kathy?

FWI I never sip coffee or any drink for that matter when I read posts on this forum.  If I wanted to cleans my sinus I would use a nitti cup.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 31, 2019, 05:19:54 pm

... If you consume as news only what you want to hear, you will have peace in your echo chamber, but will be woefully uninformed....

Oh man, that's Quote-Worthy! Very well said!

It sure is Cool.  It is the phrase I think of when I hear an avid Trump supporter even if the person is not formally educated as you claim to be.  You can tell if this is happening because you will never hear them say anything negative about Trump.  There is no past president or any future president that is or was perfect.  But you will never hear a Trump supporter say he did anything wrong about anything because they are seriously brain washed.  Most likely they are informed though.  Just won't admit wrong doing no matter how obvious it is.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on October 31, 2019, 05:35:13 pm
Brian,
Christiane Amanpour and Robert Costa of PBS are a pair of unabashed left leaning hosts on PBS.  They make no effort to present a balanced show.

Well neither one is an employee of PBS.  But you see what has happened is the duffuss Trump has attacked all media networks and individual reporters that report anything bad about him.  It doesn't matter if it is the truth.  He will go on a rampage to discredit an individual with false accusations.  Even try to ruin their carrier or get them fired.  He has had some success with FOX but not any other news organization.  He brought it all on himself.  And I think eventually it will bring him down.  He is a very weak man.  Just attack his ego and he crumbles.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Michael Bush on October 31, 2019, 05:50:51 pm
At least PBS and NPR, as left leaning as they are, try to explain what the other side thinks.  They do what the left leaning journalists of the past USED to do, they try to pretend to be fair and balanced which makes them MORE fair and balanced than the rest who don't even attempt to get the other view across.  I'm currently reading Thomas Sowell's "Conflict of Visions" and it's quite enlightening as far as illuminating how the "left" and "right" see the world which colors every thing they see.  And this conflict of visions goes back centuries.  He describes these as "constrained" and "unconstrained" where "constrained" is the view that there are limits to what can be accomplished by laws and intervention and "unconstrained" is the view that we could have utopia if we just had the right laws.  But if you actually try to measure the results of these two visions I think it's pretty clear what the historic results have been.  But the "unconstrained" people just say they haven't found the right laws yet.  Another way to view "constrained" and "unconstrained" visions is to look at any problem and the "constrained" vision says for any issue there is only so much you can do and probably whatever you do you'll make it worse where the "unconstrained" vision says if there is a problem we have to do something about it because if we find the right thing we can solve it.  Take any issue, such as poverty.  The "constrained" view would be we want to offer everyone opportunity, but we can't wipe out poverty.  The "unconstrained" view would be that we need to keep changing things until no one is in poverty.  It's not that both views don't care about poor people, they do.  They just have a different view of the cause and therefore the solutions that would be useful.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on October 31, 2019, 10:07:27 pm
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Now I know there are a number of people with left views on this forum but for some reason these people are not throwing propaganda news stories in your face.  Why do you think that is Kathy?

IDK.  why do you think they don't?  Maybe deep in their hearts they know it's propaganda?

I would not rely on clips from anywhere.  People clip things that promote a point they are trying to make and very often if you look at the thing in context it is not what was presented.  That goes for any source.
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But you will never hear a Trump supporter say he did anything wrong about anything because they are seriously brain washed.  Most likely they are informed though.  Just won't admit wrong doing no matter how obvious it is.

I probably have told you that I was not a Trump supporter.  I did not vote for him in the primary. If the dems had run Webb, I would have voted for him.  You are correct that all of them do bad things.  For that matter, all of them do good things.  One of the reasons you may not hear a lot of us say bad things about Trump is becasue everyone else already is.  For me, I find I agree with him on most policy even if not always on execution.  Even there, he is trying things that other presidents have been afraid to try.  I can't criticize him for that and we don't know yet how some of those things will turn out.  I don't like tariffs, but if those bring countries like China to the table, they might be worth it. 

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But you see what has happened is the duffuss Trump has attacked all media networks and individual reporters that report anything bad about him.  It doesn't matter if it is the truth.  He will go on a rampage to discredit an individual with false accusations.  Even try to ruin their carrier or get them fired.  He has had some success with FOX but not any other news organization.  He brought it all on himself.  And I think eventually it will bring him down.

Since over 90% of the press is supporting the left with donations, and most are somewhere between left-leaning and radically left, it's not a surprise that he has a problem with them.  Most Republicans have had the same issues.  Trump is not one to ignore attacks.
Remember, from day one they were after him.  Some of us are happy to have someone finally call them out even if he does it in a way that is not...presidential. 
And he's not wrong about how often they have just made crap up and reported it as news. 

There is a group called The Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP) that sends out talking points to the leftist press.  You can tell that they all get the same message if you cruise though their stories.  They all used the very same words.  The other day it was BOMBSHELL TESTIMONY.  None of those outlets do any investigative reporting.  They just spew the talking points of the day.

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I'm currently reading Thomas Sowell's "Conflict of Visions"

He's brilliant and I have not read that one.  Thanks for mentioning it. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 01, 2019, 09:56:57 am
For me, I find I agree with him on most policy even if not always on execution.
I agree with some of the policies but none of the execution.  The policies are not his but the execution is all his.  And it is the execution that makes matters worse and will cause the policies to fail.  He could care less what happens to the US or its people after he is gone.  The people are just pauns.  This is his past history.  You are right he is not changing.

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Even there, he is trying things that other presidents have been afraid to try. 
For good reasons.  Other presidents have people around them with experience and knowledge on what the repercussions will be.  Trump has NOBODY.  Anybody with experience and knowledge is gone because he wouldn't listen anyway.
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I can't criticize him for that and we don't know yet how some of those things will turn out.
 
Well I can.  There is not a company today that doesn't stay on top because they use a team approach vs. a narcissistic dictator. 
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I don't like tariffs, but if those bring countries like China to the table, they might be worth it. 
He has zero capabilities as a negotiator.  He proved that with Kim Jong Un and already with the tariffs.  Putin, Kim Jong UN, and Xi Jinping will just walk all over him because they are all better at being a gangster then he is.  He is way out of his league.  It is American corporations that are making billions from the unbalanced trade.  Negotiations with foreign countries requires partners and that is all but destroyed.  The real solution at this point is to control American corporations not the policies of foreign countries.  But that means fixing the swamp not becoming part of it.  I don't know if that will ever happen.  The first fix would be term limits and no life time appointments for anything.  That is another barrier that I don't think will happen.

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The other day it was BOMBSHELL TESTIMONY. 
They have just adopted the Trump mannerisms.  I am sure you heard about the nationals booing Trump and chanting "lock him up".  That is first for a president.  Bad behavior just breeds more bad behavior.  I am hopeful this era can be turned around but I am not counting my chickens.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on November 01, 2019, 10:46:36 am
Kathyp
"we don't know yet how some of those things will turn out."
Acebird
"Well I can."

There we have it, folks. He can predict the future 100% with no doubt about the accuracy.

And the rest of his statements and fantasies are just about the same value.

TOTAL IMAGINATION
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on November 01, 2019, 12:19:19 pm
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I am sure you heard about the nationals booing Trump and chanting "lock him up".  That is first for a president.

No, it is not.  It is not surprising that in the beltway the usual suspects would boo the president. 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2019/10/28/president-donald-trump-getting-booed-world-series-no-big-deal/2488400001/

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For good reasons.  Other presidents have people around them with experience and knowledge on what the repercussions will be.

And every one of them failed or caved and did bad deals. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 01, 2019, 05:11:55 pm
Iddee,
Kathy "I can't criticize him for that"
Acebird "Well I can"
 :smile:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 01, 2019, 05:19:25 pm
And every one of them failed or caved and did bad deals.
Really?
Roosevelt
Kennedy
Johnson
Reagan
OBAMMA
Better put your nose back in the history book.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on November 01, 2019, 06:00:24 pm
You would criticize him for anything he did or said, and criticize him more if he did and said nothing. Again I think you are just trolling, so you will find fault at all he does.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on November 01, 2019, 07:50:09 pm
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Really?
Roosevelt
Kennedy
Johnson
Reagan
OBAMMA
Better put your nose back in the history book.

Yes all of those.  From Roosevelt on they made deals in trade that were not in our interest.  Post ww2 they did it to help Europe and Asia recover from the war.  Once those deals were made they became expected.  They also failed to ever keep a country from getting nukes and in the case of Clinton, he helped the NorKs do just that. 

Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 02, 2019, 09:00:02 am
Rewriting history again?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 02, 2019, 09:55:00 am
Clinton sold missile technology through Raytheon to China resulting directly in the CPC's ability to develop ICBMs, long and short range missiles, and their space exploration.  Prior to that sale the Communist Party of China had a handful of satellites in space.
Yeah, that was a bad one.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 03, 2019, 01:25:39 am
Clinton sold missile technology through Raytheon to China resulting directly in the CPC's ability to develop ICBMs, long and short range missiles, and their space exploration.  Prior to that sale the Communist Party of China had a handful of satellites in space.
Yeah, that was a bad one.

Would not such technology be considered top secret and classified information? Therefore this information would be expected to kept close to the vest and protected by all knowledgeable officials concerned and connected with such privileged, secure knowledge? If that is true, How in the wildest imagination, could clinton get away with with selling this type information without facing quick and extreme justice? Please explain.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: sawdstmakr on November 03, 2019, 07:14:41 am
Ben,
That is how two people who spent their entire lives in politics become multi multi millionaires. On top of that they also completed part of their life?s dream, they weakened our military by strengthening our enemies military.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 03, 2019, 09:07:37 am
Clinton sold missile technology through Raytheon to China resulting directly in the CPC's ability to develop ICBMs, long and short range missiles, and their space exploration.

I can't speak for the accuracy of this statement but what makes you think they or any other foreign country can't do it on their own without our help?  We do not hold the sole power for intelligence.  What we do have is the power of prosperity and we are drastically giving that up.  It should be clearly evident that China and Russia are superior to us in cyber war.  What do you think is more important for the future?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 03, 2019, 09:08:50 am
Most of the missile sale info has been scrubbed from the internet.  It's pretty hard to find from the original source.  Some new reporting exists...

https://capitalresearch.org/article/flashback-bill-clinton-gave-china-missile-technology/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/98-485.html

Nice to find the WP archive, I'll be using that a lot!

Ben,  The Clintons never owned real estate until he became governor of Arkansas (Whitewater), they never owned a house until they left the White House.  They were public servants, living off the tax payer, all their professional lives.  How do you think they became millionaires?  (Lest I forget, HC worked for the Rose Law Firm and made $24,500/yr).
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 03, 2019, 09:13:32 am
Ace,
Since you get your daily news from only PBS employees and the BBC I doubt you would have ever heard of Clintons selling anything.

Have you heard that the "Whistleblower has been outed?  A CIA mole no less.

https://noqreport.com/2019/10/31/mainstream-media-goes-radio-silent-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella/

https://thegreggjarrett.com/will-the-whistleblower-be-implicated-in-fisa-report/

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/01/whistleblower-trump-legal-threat-identify/

You won't read it but here it is.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 03, 2019, 09:18:25 am
You can be a billionaire without owning real estate.  The average home owner doesn't own their home.  The Bank does, same thing with vehicles.  The weird thing is you pay taxes on its full value when you own only a tiny portion.  The bank doesn't pay any taxes on what they own.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 03, 2019, 09:22:20 am
I didn't know the Clintons were billionaires. 
They have several homes now.  A his and hers I suppose.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 03, 2019, 09:26:23 am
From Forbes, too funny not to post.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trulia/2016/09/23/bill-and-hillary-clinton-expand-their-new-york-real-estate-portfolio/#66d075103630
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on November 03, 2019, 01:31:57 pm
Clinton sold missile technology through Raytheon to China resulting directly in the CPC's ability to develop ICBMs, long and short range missiles, and their space exploration.  Prior to that sale the Communist Party of China had a handful of satellites in space.
Yeah, that was a bad one.

Would not such technology be considered top secret and classified information? Therefore this information would be expected to kept close to the vest and protected by all knowledgeable officials concerned and connected with such privileged, secure knowledge? If that is true, How in the wildest imagination, could clinton get away with with selling this type information without facing quick and extreme justice? Please explain.

Phillip, without going into my background, I can attest that what jvalentour says is correct. (I have not had time to read the links he's posted yet).

The Clinton also sold our super-secret Submarine technologies to the Chinese. These technologies [previously] allowed only our Subs to cross our SOSUS warning nets (hydroponic listening stations posted all across the Pacific Ocean - and other oceans) with out detection.

In the mid 2000's after the investigations were wrapped up (under Bush2), the people below the Clinton's [who carried the information as the disseminating parties] recieved lengthy prison sentences - suprisingly, [shockingly] with almost no media coverage - how odd in America right?

All references  (from their trials) to the Clintons, were scrubbed from the records. I followed these proceedings closely at the time - because I was desperately hoping that the Clintons would be held to account. They weren't - apparently the prosecutors and the judges want to live - per usual as with any case against the Clinton Crime Family.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 03, 2019, 07:32:45 pm
Amazing information here. I do not for a minute doubt that jvalentour has accurate information he is always dependable with information. That goes for you also Alan. What I do not understand is why. or how is it that the clintons not been brought to justice? What is the level of power they possess in order to avoid justice? Is it true that all witnesses wind up dead as has been rumored?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: CoolBees on November 03, 2019, 07:56:01 pm
.. Is it true that all witnesses wind up dead as has been rumored?

No Phillip. Their preferred modus operandi is to pay for silence, and/or grant positions and favors for same. ... but the list of dead witnesses/victims/and judges that I saw in the year 2000 (each person listed with details of circumstance and relevance) had the "Clinton death toll" at over 185 people. ... as such, most others don't even need to be bought - 'cause they'd like to live. ... "the threat of Death keeps Silence" (ok - I just made that last quote up - but you get the idea).
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 04, 2019, 09:00:33 am
What is the level of power they possess in order to avoid justice? Is it true that all witnesses wind up dead as has been rumored?
Or course it is Ben. :rolleyes:  But when it really mattered they chose not to snuff out Trump.  I guess there is still time.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 04, 2019, 11:11:38 am
What is the level of power they possess in order to avoid justice? Is it true that all witnesses wind up dead as has been rumored?
Or course it is Ben. :rolleyes:  But when it really mattered they chose not to snuff out Trump.  I guess there is still time.

Ace, that is where I was heading and is my concern for Mr Trump. If all else fails to bring him down with this kangaroo court, who knows what they will attempt? Look at jeffery Epestein. in spite of all the security guards, cameras, etc, evidence is being presented that foul play may have been involved in his death.. Mr Trump can not be bought. He seeks no favors. He needs not there influence. He is his own man and can not be swayed. Mr Trump is Dangerous to the swamp..  Perhaps this is what the kangaroo court is all about, the transcript has been released with the conversion between himself and the Ukraine President tans nothing there, making Adam shift a lier and a fraud, yet they are pushing the narrative anyway.  Is the communist left setting up public sentiment and hate against him in order to sway the upcoming election or something worse? The conspirators need to be dealt with swiftly and severely in my opinion .
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on November 04, 2019, 12:10:23 pm
OK, ACE, you like UK news. I dare you to read this article all the way through, written by a well known Brit.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/truth-impeachment-steve-hilton
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 04, 2019, 05:19:26 pm
The conspirators need to be dealt with swiftly and severely in my opinion .
But Ben they have too much power.  You better lay low or they might come after you.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 04, 2019, 05:23:00 pm
Walley it is still fox news.  Britten suffers like we do with its own alt right.  Why do you think the brexit deal is such a debacle?
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on November 04, 2019, 06:53:15 pm
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Britten suffers like we do with its own alt right.  Why do you think the brexit deal is such a debacle?

First, I don't think you know what "alt-right" is.  Next, you understand that the people of the UK voted for Brexit?  It is the leftist pols there who are throwing kinks in the works.  Not that their right is very far right, but if it had been left to them, it would be done by now.  Well, and then there is the Irish bit, but...

The Brits have one of the most stable economies in the EU and they are paying to help keep the rest of the mess afloat.  They will not be hurt by the exit, but the EU knows it will be. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 04, 2019, 07:53:16 pm
The conspirators need to be dealt with swiftly and severely in my opinion .
But Ben they have too much power.  You better lay low or they might come after you.

Ha haa  A Country Boy Can Survive ..
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: iddee on November 04, 2019, 07:56:16 pm
Of course it's Fox. That's the only place you can find specs of truth mixed in among the BS. The other MSM is total BS
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on November 04, 2019, 08:44:16 pm
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Phillip, without going into my background, I can attest that what jvalentour says is correct. (I have not had time to read the links he's posted yet).

Yup, and isn't it interesting that the NorKs started making great strides in rocket tech shortly thereafter?    The NorKs are to China what Iran is to Russia.  The only difference, I fear, is that China has more control over its surrogate than Russia has over Iran. 

Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 04, 2019, 09:08:04 pm
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Phillip, without going into my background, I can attest that what jvalentour says is correct. (I have not had time to read the links he's posted yet).

Yup, and isn't it interesting that the NorKs started making great strides in rocket tech shortly thereafter?    The NorKs are to China what Iran is to Russia.  The only difference, I fear, is that China has more control over its surrogate than Russia has over Iran.

Just rang a bell Kathy, thought far and faint. Wasn't there something about Wang form China having dealings with clinton back it that era? Something to do with security and secrets? maybe some sort of security clearance issue? It seems that I heard the G-Man, G Gordon Liddy, from Radio Free DC talking about this once when I was flipping through the radio stations many years ago as young folks will do.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: kathyp on November 04, 2019, 09:35:34 pm
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Wasn't there something about Wang form China having dealings with clinton back it that era?

It was someone who was a contributor to the campaigns I think and was later found to be a spy.  I'll look it up when I get a chance.  don't remember the name but you could have it. 
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 04, 2019, 09:47:44 pm
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Wasn't there something about Wang form China having dealings with clinton back it that era?

It was someone who was a contributor to the campaigns I think and was later found to be a spy.  I'll look it up when I get a chance.  don't remember the name but you could have it.

I think that is it Kathy, but not positive. That was years ago and I do not know how I remembered that much as I was much younger.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: jvalentour on November 04, 2019, 10:36:07 pm
One of them was John Huang.  Bundler extraordinaire, 1996.
Norman Hsu, a Hillary bundler. 2007?
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, just a simple Little Rock country boy, 1996.
Johnny Chung and Liu Chaoying ( a Lt. Col. in the PLA), 1996.  Gave to BC, DNC and John ( I was in Viet Nam) Kerry.
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 04, 2019, 11:04:14 pm
One of them was John Huang.  Bundler extraordinaire, 1996.
Norman Hsu, a Hillary bundler. 2007?
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, just a simple Little Rock country boy, 1996.
Johnny Chung and Liu Chaoying ( a Lt. Col. in the PLA), 1996.  Gave to BC, DNC and John ( I was in Viet Nam) Kerry.

WOW seems almost to far fetched to be true, but sadly is.  I trust your research Jvalentour. So what is next? And I want to ask, Is the following video anywhere close to truth?

https://youtu.be/Iw1yuv1OY6U
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Acebird on November 05, 2019, 08:18:10 am
You believe anything won't you Ben. :smile:
Title: Re: Ace, who's protecting the rich from paying taxes now?
Post by: Ben Framed on November 05, 2019, 02:58:03 pm
One of them was John Huang.  Bundler extraordinaire, 1996.
Norman Hsu, a Hillary bundler. 2007?
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, just a simple Little Rock country boy, 1996.
Johnny Chung and Liu Chaoying ( a Lt. Col. in the PLA), 1996.  Gave to BC, DNC and John ( I was in Viet Nam) Kerry.

WOW seems almost to far fetched to be true, but sadly is.  I trust your research Jvalentour. So what is next? And I want to ask, Is the following video anywhere close to truth?


You believe anything won't you Ben. :smile:

One can only wish for justice these days it seems Ace . I forgot to look and see if the video was put out by fox or cnn. If fox then we are ok, if someone else we must question it .   lol .     :wink:   :smile: