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Title: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 25, 2018, 02:57:40 pm
Is sending bombs through the post taking politics to a new level? Already DT is blaming the media, forgetting his inflammatory  tweets/rants. Smacks a little of hypocrisy. :sad:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 25, 2018, 04:22:03 pm
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Is sending bombs through the post taking politics to a new level? Already DT is blaming the media, forgetting his inflammatory  tweets/rants. Smacks a little of hypocrisy. :sad:

This whole thing is stinky.  All these "bombs" and none go off?  All are packaged in a way that makes it sure they will be found.  DT is not wrong to put some of the blame on some of the media.  They are the main reason for inflamed tempers.  I am not sure it's helpful for him to do that, but he's not wrong.

I don't know what you see over there, but over 90% of the press here is negative toward Trump and some of it downright nasty.  We have politicians telling people to go out and get in people faces, supporting rioters like Antifa, and Hillary telling people we don't need to be civil until the left gets its power back.

I will say again:  The left does not know how to win in the arena of ideas.  They know how to riot and drag people to court, but they can't figure out how to convince their fellow citizens. 

We don't know who sent the bombs or why.  Some of us have our suspicions. 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 25, 2018, 04:44:41 pm
Seems to me the bombers are just following old world traditions like Guy Fawkes and anarchists, and our own Theodore Kaczinski and Timothy McVeigh.  Fortunately, they are either not really serious or they are not skilled bombers. Hope they are caught quickly and dealt with harshly. As Kathy points out, the media are to a great extent responsible for the incivility we are witnessing in public life.  Some elements in the mass media have abandoned the neutrality of unbiased reporting and are allowing reporters to slip opinion into the news pages instead of confining it to the editorial columns where it belongs.  When the press becomes the voice of one faction or the other, it is no longer a free press.  I don't want Pravda as my local newspaper.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 25, 2018, 05:15:41 pm
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Is sending bombs through the post taking politics to a new level? Already DT is blaming the media, forgetting his inflammatory  tweets/rants. Smacks a little of hypocrisy. :sad:

This whole thing is stinky.  All these "bombs" and none go off?  All are packaged in a way that makes it sure they will be found.  DT is not wrong to put some of the blame on some of the media.  They are the main reason for inflamed tempers.  I am not sure it's helpful for him to do that, but he's not wrong.

I don't know what you see over there, but over 90% of the press here is negative toward Trump and some of it downright nasty.  We have politicians telling people to go out and get in people faces, supporting rioters like Antifa, and Hillary telling people we don't need to be civil until the left gets its power back.

I will say again:  The left does not know how to win in the arena of ideas.  They know how to riot and drag people to court, but they can't figure out how to convince their fellow citizens. 

We don't know who sent the bombs or why.  Some of us have our suspicions.

"Some of us have our suspicions."


Such as? sans names of course :wink:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: sawdstmakr on October 25, 2018, 06:52:50 pm
I will not be surprised if we find out the Democratic Party are totally responsible for sending the bombs in their last ditch effort to gain control of the house and senate. They did not have any problem hiring thugs to disrupt the presidential election.
Jim
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 25, 2018, 07:15:49 pm
I will not be surprised if we find out the Democratic Party are totally responsible for sending the bombs in their last ditch effort to gain control of the house and senate. They did not have any problem hiring thugs to disrupt the presidential election.
Jim

If they are responsible, do you really think we will ever find out?  Or will it be ignored --at leastuntil after the elections -- by mainstream media?   And only Fox News will report it and be labelled as irresponsible for spreading right wing lies?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 25, 2018, 07:58:51 pm
I will not be surprised if we find out the Democratic Party are totally responsible for sending the bombs in their last ditch effort to gain control of the house and senate. They did not have any problem hiring thugs to disrupt the presidential election.
Jim

If they are responsible, do you really think we will ever find out?  Or will it be ignored --at least until after the elections -- by mainstream media?   And only Fox News will report it and be labelled as irresponsible for spreading right wing lies?
But don't they? Are you seriously saying they have never done that!....... and you being an ex lawyer! if that's not an oxymoron :wink:
I notice so far it is only the rightists saying its the dastardly leftists who are doing it. alluding that there could be no other people responsible? This is why I posed the original question, both sides are so polarised they cannot look outside their own bubble. :rolleyes:   
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 25, 2018, 08:04:03 pm
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This is why I posed the original question, both sides are so polarised they cannot look outside their own bubble. 

Fair enough.  From your outside perspective, what other explanation might you come up with?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 25, 2018, 08:28:34 pm
"But don't they? Are you seriously saying they have never done that!....... and you being an ex lawyer! if that's not an oxymoron".

I'm not at all sure I understand the question-- saying they've never done that --  please define who and what.  And BTW, i'm a former journalist and still a lawyer by training, though it's been over 20 years since I've had a client.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on October 25, 2018, 08:30:24 pm
""But don't they? Are you seriously saying they have never done that!.""

No, but he he is saying they do it a WHOLE LOT less than the other leading news channels.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on October 25, 2018, 08:32:01 pm
No one has said it was a member of either side, but the dems have been a lot stronger hinting it was a Rep. than vice-versa.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 25, 2018, 08:45:14 pm
The photo I saw of one package showed a pipe bomb in a manilla envelope with a lot of stamps attached.  Not exactly the way a serious bomber would go about packaging a pipe bomb he wants to blow up and kill somebody, is it?  It will be interesting to see what's in the "bombs."

Whether or not the bombs contain explosives, they are intended to intimidate, and that, alone is a federal offense, I think.

Whoever is responsible has to be irrational, in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 25, 2018, 09:13:35 pm
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This is why I posed the original question, both sides are so polarised they cannot look outside their own bubble. 

Fair enough.  From your outside perspective, what other explanation might you come up with?
Anarchists, deluded people that are not party orientated! it seem that the Right/Left think they have a monopoly on extreme views. If some of these bombs, heaven forbid, do go off it will make the Right/Left take stock and think about the rhetoric they use.  Don't hold out much hope for DT though,  Brennan said it all though! :cheesy: 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: sawdstmakr on October 25, 2018, 09:20:44 pm
I saw that the pipe bombs were loaded with black power and glass. They noted that there were wires going to a device that they did not know the purpose of.
Jim
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: jvalentour on October 25, 2018, 09:22:56 pm
Cider,
You do know that Brennan converted to Islam when he was Station Chief in Arabia.  He gave visas to some of the 9/11 hijackers.  He is a follower of the Moslem Brotherhood not a wahabi. 
You know this, correct?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 25, 2018, 09:32:13 pm
yeah, no one should be praising Brennan.  He's one nasty piece of work. 
Given his background, he's been undermining this country for decades.  He never should have been allowed in the door of the CIA much less running it.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 26, 2018, 05:47:46 am
yeah, no one should be praising Brennan.  He's one nasty piece of work. 
Given his background, he's been undermining this country for decades.  He never should have been allowed in the door of the CIA much less running it.
Kathy Do you admit to being part of the Rep 'bubble'? it certainly looks like it. And I always assumed you was of independent mind :wink:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/24/politics/brennan-lbj-bomb-reaction/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/10/26/trump-presidents-in-times-of-trouble-monologue-dons-take-ctn-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Hops Brewster on October 26, 2018, 10:52:34 am
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This is why I posed the original question, both sides are so polarised they cannot look outside their own bubble. 

Fair enough.  From your outside perspective, what other explanation might you come up with?
Anarchists, deluded people that are not party orientated! it seem that the Right/Left think they have a monopoly on extreme views. If some of these bombs, heaven forbid, do go off it will make the Right/Left take stock and think about the rhetoric they use.  Don't hold out much hope for DT though,  Brennan said it all though! :cheesy:
So if I am not "party oriented" it makes me an extremist, an anarchist?  Not even close.
Reading my posts you will find a definite bias against both the major parties in this country however, that does not make me an anarchist, but rather, less of an extremist than either right or left wing.  And that is what neither of those wings understands.  All their pollsters call my views "undecided" if I don't conform to either extremist viewpoint.  They (and you) would be wise to consider that my views certainly are decided and very firm, but fall between the extreme views of the left and the right, and contain reasonable elements of both, strongly leaning toward personal liberty and against government interference of same.

As for your OP, is America tearing itself apart? ...  no more so than GB or any other nation with troubles of its own.
stones and glass houses
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: blackforest beekeeper on October 26, 2018, 01:35:26 pm
there seem to be some differences between democrats and republicans lately?
I never saw much of a difference from the outside concerning the party of the president. I guess, foreign politics more or less was a continuum.
Then came DT....
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 26, 2018, 03:21:52 pm
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Kathy Do you admit to being part of the Rep 'bubble'? it certainly looks like it. And I always assumed you was of independent mind

My issues with Brennan go way back.  He's a nasty piece of work and he should never have had the position he had. In another time the dems would have drop kicked him as well, but that was before they embraced far left ideology.

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there seem to be some differences between democrats and republicans lately?
I never saw much of a difference from the outside concerning the party of the president. I guess, foreign politics more or less was a continuum.
Then came DT...

I don't think it is as much a party issue.  Trump won in a bunch of places that Obama had won before. 
Hillary was a crap candidate, but I think Obama was the one who tipped it against her when he promised more of the same if she was elected.  Folks were willing to give him two chances in office, but more and more people became uncomfortable with him and things he'd said/done.  The idea that we had to be satisfied with being mediocre, that we had to put international interests above our own, and the military actions he engaged in were the most obvious. 
More subtle things were the bowing,  "give grandma a pill", "put on a sweater", etc.  Most Americans don't like being told that there's stuff we can't fix and that our best days are behind us.  They don't believe it.  Trump came along and said we could and would do better, and we have. 

Most people don't get into the nitty-gritty of politics.  They want to see things around them working.  They want to hire someone who can make things work.

Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: sawdstmakr on October 26, 2018, 03:26:54 pm
BF,
The reason both parties are attacking Trump is because he is not one of them. They have no control over him and most of them are so crooked, they are scared to death that he will expose them.
Jim
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 26, 2018, 03:40:08 pm
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This is why I posed the original question, both sides are so polarised they cannot look outside their own bubble. 

Fair enough.  From your outside perspective, what other explanation might you come up with?
Anarchists, deluded people that are not party orientated! it seem that the Right/Left think they have a monopoly on extreme views. If some of these bombs, heaven forbid, do go off it will make the Right/Left take stock and think about the rhetoric they use.  Don't hold out much hope for DT though,  Brennan said it all though! :cheesy:
So if I am not "party oriented" it makes me an extremist, an anarchist?  Not even close.
Reading my posts you will find a definite bias against both the major parties in this country however, that does not make me an anarchist, but rather, less of an extremist than either right or left wing.  And that is what neither of those wings understands.  All their pollsters call my views "undecided" if I don't conform to either extremist viewpoint.  They (and you) would be wise to consider that my views certainly are decided and very firm, but fall between the extreme views of the left and the right, and contain reasonable elements of both, strongly leaning toward personal liberty and against government interference of same.

As for your OP, is America tearing itself apart? ...  no more so than GB or any other nation with troubles of its own.
stones and glass houses

Let me rephrase the first part of my reply;
"Anarchists, or deluded people".(I am not saying you are deluded) :wink: The left or right seem to think they have a monopoly on extreme views. Others have them too!

PS "stones and glass houses" touche' :smile: But its a lot more fun with DT than Theresa :cheesy:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 26, 2018, 07:37:13 pm
Is sending bombs through the post taking politics to a new level? Already DT is blaming the media, forgetting his inflammatory  tweets/rants. Smacks a little of hypocrisy. :sad:

Hi-jacking my own post :smile:
I see the Police have arrested the alleged bomber from Florida. Another rightist loony Trump supporter. :cheesy: Undoubtedly Trump will be saying " the Dems did it, they put him up to it" More 'Fake News'. Just standing by now for the usual drivel pleading that he wasn't a Rightist supporter and that he was deranged etc.  Of course he was deranged, normal political activists don't send bombs through the post! He was a rightist fanatic urged on by Trumps rhetoric.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 27, 2018, 12:08:18 am
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Of course he was deranged, normal political activists don't send bombs through the post! He was a rightist fanatic urged on by Trumps rhetoric.


We don't know much about him yet.  nuts is a good guess.  I am glad they caught him and glad no one got hurt.

Words, whoever speaks them, are not an excuse for this kind of thing.  I don't blame Bernie supporters for the shooting of the Republican congressmen.  I don't blame Hillary for the violent actions of Antifa. 

What we do have that is becoming dangerous is politicians urging their followers to be confrontational.  They have urged them to go after people in public places, and to get in their faces.

  Here is a quote from Hillary "You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," Clinton told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."

She was upset about the SCOTUS pick. 

So...IF you want to talk about who is whipping people up, I'd say it's more on the left and it is more dangerous because they are actually telling people that it's OK to be uncivil and to go after people they disagree with politically.  I don't really care about things like 2nd rate comedians and severed head, but when the people in office are encouraging actions that are going to get someone hurt, that's another thing altogether.  And Trump is not wrong to say that the press if feeding this too.

That's not the way we usually do things here.  We have elections.  We may not like the outcome, but if not, we try to change it with the next election.
This goes to my earlier comment about the left not knowing how to engage and convince.  Temper tantrums and court cases have become their way of doing things. 

Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 10:35:02 am
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Of course he was deranged, normal political activists don't send bombs through the post! He was a rightist fanatic urged on by Trumps rhetoric.


We don't know much about him yet.  nuts is a good guess.  I am glad they caught him and glad no one got hurt.

Words, whoever speaks them, are not an excuse for this kind of thing.  I don't blame Bernie supporters for the shooting of the Republican congressmen.  I don't blame Hillary for the violent actions of Antifa. 

What we do have that is becoming dangerous is politicians urging their followers to be confrontational.  They have urged them to go after people in public places, and to get in their faces.

  Here is a quote from Hillary "You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," Clinton told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."

She was upset about the SCOTUS pick. 

So...IF you want to talk about who is whipping people up, I'd say it's more on the left and it is more dangerous because they are actually telling people that it's OK to be uncivil and to go after people they disagree with politically. I don't really care about things like 2nd rate comedians and severed head, but when the people in office are encouraging actions that are going to get someone hurt, that's another thing altogether.  And Trump is not wrong to say that the press if feeding this too.

That's not the way we usually do things here.  We have elections.  We may not like the outcome, but if not, we try to change it with the next election.
This goes to my earlier comment about the left not knowing how to engage and convince.  Temper tantrums and court cases have become their way of doing things.
So when Trump says he would like to "punch someone in the face"That's OK?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 27, 2018, 12:02:21 pm
no it is not ok for him, or Biden, or anyone else. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/joe-biden-donald-trump-behind-the-gym-230174

That was not my point though.  I am not defending this kind of stuff.  I was trying to point ou that we have politicians that are inciting actions that will lead to violence and that people are acting on that incitement.  One of these days they are going to corner the wrong person.
 
Fortunately, most of that kind of talk from Trump has toned down and the people who attend his rallies seem to understand that his NY brassiness is not a call to action. 
That's a good thing since Dem operatives were paying people to attend Trump rallies and start fights.

Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 12:34:53 pm
no it is not ok for him, or Biden, or anyone else. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/joe-biden-donald-trump-behind-the-gym-230174

That was not my point though.  I am not defending this kind of stuff.  I was trying to point ou that we have politicians that are inciting actions that will lead to violence and that people are acting on that incitement.  One of these days they are going to corner the wrong person.
 
Fortunately, most of that kind of talk from Trump has toned down and the people who attend his rallies seem to understand that his NY brassiness is not a call to action. 
That's a good thing since Dem operatives were paying people to attend Trump rallies and start fights.
And there it is;....."That's a good thing since Dem operatives were paying people to attend Trump rallies and start fights". I wondered how long it would take .....back load some  loony idiot rightists actions onto someone else. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: MikeyN.C. on October 27, 2018, 03:43:48 pm
PVC Pipe ? Was meant to intimidate .  Are they going to want to band sales of pvc. What i read , that its bogus because of amount of stamps?
Heck i belive that my old uncle charlie could fart that loud  :cool:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2018, 04:53:31 pm
Stop and think a minute. If 12 Republican politicians and hollywood stars had called for and threatened violence against Obama, how many deranged democrats do you think would come out of the woodwork like this idiot did. I'm guessing it would have been a lot more than one.  Maybe you should look for the real source.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 06:03:01 pm
Stop and think a minute. If 12 Republican politicians and hollywood stars had called for and threatened violence against Obama, how many deranged democrats do you think would come out of the woodwork like this idiot did. I'm guessing it would have been a lot more than one.  Maybe you should look for the real source.

The real source is this idiot.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/

How long before another loony rightist idiot tries the same thing but with more success? This is what happens when you get a few loony idiot rightists on social media! :cool: will they graduate to truck bombs? :sad:

P.S.
For your compatriot above; Of course all PVC will be banned, just like all guns will be banned after a gun killing!  iddee where doe's NC find these people? But I suppose I'm preaching to someone who has already been converted to that way of thinking. :wink: But of course! he's only 60 odd miles from you. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 27, 2018, 06:36:20 pm
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And there it is;....."That's a good thing since Dem operatives were paying people to attend Trump rallies and start fights".

since they are on tape talking about it...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/17/new_okeefe_video_clinton_campaign_dnc_coordinated_with_organizations_to_beat_up_trump_supporters.html

Many in the leftist press will qualify videos by Project Veritas as edited.  Of course they are.  The site also puts up the entire video for anyone who wants to watch hours of unedited stuff. Apparently, outlets like CNN do not wish to do this.    I don't know how long they keep and I don't have time to see if the entire video is still hosted.

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How long before another loony rightist idiot tries the same thing but with more success? This is what happens when you get a few loony idiot rightists on social media!

I believe that if you add up the loony people doing bad things, you'll find that there are more on the left and they are more successful.  I don't think this should be a tit for tat conversation, but if you want to go there you will lose.



Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2018, 06:39:18 pm
SNOPES!!! You've got to be kidding. I would believe huffpost as soon as I would snopes.

""iddee where doe's NC find these people?""

Under the heading "sarcasm".  Are you too dense to recognize it, or just too stubborn to admit it?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 07:18:23 pm
SNOPES!!! You've got to be kidding. I would believe huffpost as soon as I would snopes.

""iddee where doe's NC find these people?""

Under the heading "sarcasm".  Are you too dense to recognize it, or just too stubborn to admit it?

Are you saying the video is 'Fake'? I appreciate your a brainwashed trumper but even you  must admit its true, he inspires violence. Tip, read his lips! You will excuse anything he doe's. Lenin's "useful idiots" springs to mind. :cheesy: (I have always wondered why you have iddee as a synonym) is it short for something?  :cheesy:
Time to start on the pills again. :wink:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 07:40:19 pm
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And there it is;....."That's a good thing since Dem operatives were paying people to attend Trump rallies and start fights".

since they are on tape talking about it...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/17/new_okeefe_video_clinton_campaign_dnc_coordinated_with_organizations_to_beat_up_trump_supporters.html

Many in the leftist press will qualify videos by Project Veritas as edited.  Of course they are.  The site also puts up the entire video for anyone who wants to watch hours of unedited stuff. Apparently, outlets like CNN do not wish to do this.    I don't know how long they keep and I don't have time to see if the entire video is still hosted.

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How long before another loony rightist idiot tries the same thing but with more success? This is what happens when you get a few loony idiot rightists on social media!

I believe that if you add up the loony people doing bad things, you'll find that there are more on the left and they are more successful.  I don't think this should be a tit for tat conversation, but if you want to go there you will lose.

Is that a thinly veiled threat( in a verbal way of course?) Are you saying the videos are fake? are you suggesting they had someone sync different words into his mouth? (the videos were shown live in the UK and are real!) KP don't drift from your usual sceptic self and towards the useful idiots. You know DT's a bummer it's just that your stuck with him. :cheesy:     
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2018, 07:44:36 pm
What would you respond with if someone threatened to assassinate you, kick your followers, imitate cutting your head off, request anyone seeing your supporters in public, attack them, ETC.

Would you tell everyone they were nice people and you still loved them?

As for the video, I am not dumb enough to click on any snopes or huffpost link, so I don't know what video you refer to. Also, I don't have sound on my computer, so cannot hear a video. If it's not in print, I don't see it.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 07:52:04 pm
What would you respond with if someone threatened to assassinate you, kick your followers, imitate cutting your head off, request anyone seeing your supporters in public, attack them, ETC.

Would you tell everyone they were nice people and you still loved them?

As for the video, I am not dumb enough to click on any snopes or huffpost link, so I don't know what video you refer to. Also, I don't have sound on my computer, so cannot hear a video. If it's not in print, I don't see it.

Iddee iddee, he's not a manic street preacher, he's a so called president there is a slight difference. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Van, Arkansas, USA on October 27, 2018, 08:04:23 pm
Sad Day: Jewish Church attacked and Gunman killed 11, wounded 6.  The only thing I hate is HATE.  I am especially sensitive to hate crimes, violence against religion.  I am not Jewish, but I have love and respect for the Jewish people and the Jewish Church, Synagogues.

Hate is just pure evil, nothing good comes out of bias, jealousy, nor hate.  Bless the fallen innocent people killed for no reason other than a deranged mind.

I feel so bad, so baddddd: innocent folks killed while worshipping the FATHER.  Sad day!!!

Maybe Cider has a wise question: Is America tearing itself apart???  Cheers and Blessings to those, to many to mention, that text their love for America on this thread; coffee house.
Blessings
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 27, 2018, 08:29:28 pm
Stop and think a minute. If 12 Republican politicians and hollywood stars had called for and threatened violence against Obama, how many deranged democrats do you think would come out of the woodwork like this idiot did. I'm guessing it would have been a lot more than one.  Maybe you should look for the real source.

What makes you think it will only be one loony rightist idiot? After all there are a lot out there. Or do you have an inside line? :cheesy:

Unfortunately it seems another loony rightist idiot has committed mass murder in Pittsburg! Doesn't it all sound familiar? 

iddee, Are you too dense to recognize it, or just too stubborn to admit it? :wink:

If you get the guy at the top advocating violence...................... :sad:

The pills iddee the pills, after all they are free. :wink: 

   
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 28, 2018, 05:31:18 pm
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Is America tearing itself apart???

We are and we know why.  We have always had different ideas about how to do things, but we have not since the civil war had the number of people we have now who disagree with the fundamentals of the country. 

I make it a point to talk to people on the left.  The farther left the better.  If we don't talk, we don't know what others are thinking.
My evaluation is that most people left of center and all the way to progressive are no longer interested in this country continuing as formed.

 That is; they do not think that we are exceptional or that we should be or should want to be, they do not think we have a right to limit immigration, and more and more think most things should be "free". The idea of opportunity is replaced with the claim of entitlement.
 The argument is no longer over how we should do things that are best for the country, but over how we can change the country.  What used to be fringe is now becoming the popular view among a significant segment of the population. 

We know how this has happened and we know why.  We didn't stop it even though we saw it coming.  The fact that the popular vote went to someone like Hillary is an indication of how far we have fallen.  The fact that people from NY or LA will openly tell someone like me that the elite of the country should be making the decisions for all because they have the education and insight to do so, should scare the crap out of all of us.  When a group of people that go after power and claim only they have the right to all of it, gain that power, what usually happens?


Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: MikeyN.C. on October 29, 2018, 02:00:30 pm
Cider, i don't know you personal,  so i'll not nake any rude comment's about your state or the people of your state!
A serial bomber would not use 1-2 post offices to mail so said bombs.  So maybe you can understand stamp count to cali. or ny (use your head and think about that) how do you think they found him so fast ?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: MikeyN.C. on October 29, 2018, 02:31:00 pm
He was using forever stamps to get to mail   facilities , but some were not enough
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 29, 2018, 06:49:03 pm
Cider, i don't know you personal,  so i'll not nake any rude comment's about your state or the people of your state!
A serial bomber would not use 1-2 post offices to mail so said bombs.  So maybe you can understand stamp count to cali. or ny (use your head and think about that) how do you think they found him so fast ?

Postmarks?

In the UK the Royal Mail applies a postmark with the date and place where the letter was sorted and cancellation lines so the stamp cannot be reused, in order to protect postal revenue. Every letter gets identified by a code consisting of a series of florescent bars imprinted on the back. Must be similar in the US.
This would narrow it down to the nearest sorting office and if he was riding round in the van with all the stickers........ :cheesy: The FBI  probably have a list of all the loony rightists (and loony leftists, got to be PC and have a balanced view!) in any given area.
Undoubtedly after the trial is over it will all come out in the wash.
cider   
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: MikeyN.C. on October 30, 2018, 07:51:30 pm
Not trying to change sub.  But just like what came out in the wash, with paddock? In Vegas,  conspiracy theories or not.  The FBI really did a good job on that one.  Ya know how they recreated oswall shooting in Tx.
Are they in the belief , that 1 man could fire that many rounds (bumpstock) or did they already know ?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 31, 2018, 04:52:07 am
Not trying to change sub.  But just like what came out in the wash, with paddock? In Vegas,  conspiracy theories or not.  The FBI really did a good job on that one.  Ya know how they recreated oswall shooting in Tx.
Are they in the belief , that 1 man could fire that many rounds (bumpstock) or did they already know ?

If you believe the FBI knew about or colluded in the Vegas shooting your country is in a worse state than I thought it was! :grin:     
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Michael Bush on October 31, 2018, 03:24:26 pm
>Must be similar in the US.

It used to be.  Not anymore.  A quick look through ten letters in my desk drawer only one of them had a postmark and it missed the stamp almost completely.  One little curved line hit the perforated edge of the stamp...
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on October 31, 2018, 05:00:44 pm
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It used to be.  Not anymore.

I was looking for something the other day and thought I'd be able to find the date range by the postmark.  No dates or even readable stamps on most of the stuff.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 31, 2018, 07:48:45 pm
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It used to be.  Not anymore.

I was looking for something the other day and thought I'd be able to find the date range by the postmark.  No dates or even readable stamps on most of the stuff.
I think ours are marked on the back of the envelope like a bar code and only readable by the post office, i assumed yours maybe were the same.
cider
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Live Oak on November 02, 2018, 12:24:50 pm
A "few" things to consider:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234445

Perhaps the sensitivity level on the "Agitprop" filter needs to be increased? 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on November 02, 2018, 02:53:31 pm
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Perhaps the sensitivity level on the "Agitprop" filter needs to be increased?

Yeah, a lot of it seems stinky, but we'll have to wait for it I guess.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Van, Arkansas, USA on November 02, 2018, 04:06:50 pm
Live Oak: thanks for the post with the link.  Yes,I read.  Makes a lot of since, plain common sense I might add.  I cannot really express how appreciative I am.  Thank you Mr. Oak.
Blessings
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: MikeyN.C. on November 05, 2018, 07:30:26 pm
Hope ya understand, about. Stamps
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 06, 2018, 02:39:18 pm
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Perhaps the sensitivity level on the "Agitprop" filter needs to be increased?

Yeah, a lot of it seems stinky, but we'll have to wait for it I guess.
To return to the original question; By the end of today will America have torn itself apart (metaphorically speaking of course) if the loony leftists try to impeach DT? or gridlock government? just to wind-up the loony rightists :wink: 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on November 06, 2018, 04:14:00 pm
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By the end of today will America have torn itself apart

Might depend on how you define it.  If you mean that we have become polarized in our opinions, that happened a long time ago and has gotten progressively worse.  If you mean riots in the streets, not unless the loony leftists lose.  That is their game.  Temper tantrums when they don't get their way. 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 06, 2018, 06:22:53 pm
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By the end of today will America have torn itself apart

Might depend on how you define it.  If you mean that we have become polarized in our opinions, that happened a long time ago and has gotten progressively worse.  If you mean riots in the streets, not unless the loony leftists lose.  That is their game.  Temper tantrums when they don't get their way.
You mean like Trumps "I'd punch him in the face" or your "bomb the sh*t out of them" I can just see how the loony rightists would be calm and collected Quakers! :cheesy:
Or even worse, the rightist murderer in Pittsburg.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on November 06, 2018, 07:16:24 pm
Or Biden "I'd beat the hell out of him...". 

The PA synagog shooter was not a rightist.  He was a Trump hater, and hater of Jews. 

There is rhetoric on both sides that could be toned down.  When it comes to day to day rioting, suppression of speech, wailing in the streets, etc. you find that kind of stuff on the left. 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: jvalentour on November 06, 2018, 10:56:27 pm
Cider,
That space between your ears is stunningly vacuous. 
You DO know Jared Kushner, POTUS Son-In-Law = Orthodox Jew
You DO know Ivanka Trump, POTUS Daughter= Converted Orthodox Jew
You DO know Robert Bowers, Pittsburg Shooter=Jew Hater, Trump Hater
You DO know Netanyahu hails Trump as Friend of Israel

Robert Bowers, Jew killer, is not right wing.
Not that you care about the Jews.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 07, 2018, 04:41:31 am
Cider,
That space between your ears is stunningly vacuous. 
You DO know Jared Kushner, POTUS Son-In-Law = Orthodox Jew
You DO know Ivanka Trump, POTUS Daughter= Converted Orthodox Jew
You DO know Robert Bowers, Pittsburg Shooter=Jew Hater, Trump Hater
You DO know Netanyahu hails Trump as Friend of Israel

Robert Bowers, Jew killer, is not right wing.
Not that you care about the Jews.

And you think the loony rightists do? :rolleyes: Ask any Jew about the rightist loving KKK :grin:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on November 07, 2018, 07:50:07 am
Most that agree with KKK are rightest, but 1 in 100,000 or less rightest agree with the KKK.

Most who promoted and celebrated the 9/11 bombing are leftist, but 1 in 100,000 or less leftists agree with the 9/11 bombing.

There are as many leftists supporting terror attacks as there are rightists supporting KKK, maybe more.

Give a balanced report, Cider, not just one side.

There are nuts and loonys on both sides.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: sawdstmakr on November 07, 2018, 07:57:27 am
Cider,
The KKK was started by Democrats. The Republicans fought against slavery and the Democratics refused to allow the blacks to have rights after the war.
The way the media has twisted this around you would never know it by what they report.
Jim
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 07, 2018, 08:20:08 am
Most that agree with KKK are rightest, but 1 in 100,000 or less rightest agree with the KKK.

Most who promoted and celebrated the 9/11 bombing are leftist, but 1 in 100,000 or less leftists agree with the 9/11 bombing.

There are as many leftists supporting terror attacks as there are rightists supporting KKK, maybe more.

Give a balanced report, Cider, not just one side.

There are nuts and loonys on both sides.
Agreed.

Right and Left are entitled to their opinions, it's the loony extremes that are a danger to everyone. The only trouble is DT seems to be pandering to the loony part. Now he has lost the House of Representatives there may well be a check on him to modify his rhetoric. Not holding my breath though. :wink: :cheesy:
Welcome back :smile:   
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on November 07, 2018, 08:34:05 am
When bartering, you have to ask for more than you desire to be able to give a bit. He is only ""pandering"" to try to get the "far left" back to the middle.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 07, 2018, 12:53:24 pm
When bartering, you have to ask for more than you desire to be able to give a bit. He is only ""pandering"" to try to get the "far left" back to the middle.
Pandering to the loony rightists to get the loony leftists back to the middle??? doesn't seem to have worked! :cheesy: 
cider :wink:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on November 07, 2018, 01:39:48 pm
Seems to be working fine. He makes threats, carries them through, gets relief from the other side, then relinquishes a small bit. They seem to play right into his hands.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 07, 2018, 02:10:58 pm
Cider,
The KKK was started by Democrats. The Republicans fought against slavery and the Democratics refused to allow the blacks to have rights after the war.
The way the media has twisted this around you would never know it by what they report.
Jim

But for the overwhelming support of Republicans in both houses of Congress, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have failed because a large number of Democrats opposed it.  More than 80 % of Republicans voted for the bill, while about 60% of Democrats favored it.  It took up more than 60 working days for Congress and included the longest filibuster in the history of the Senate (by Democrats).  So how do Democrats now claim the high ground regarding civil rights?  Chutzpah, the big lie, gall-- call it what you will, nobody in MSM calls them on it today.

Granted, the above is all true so far as I've written it, but the parties in those days were different than today.  Democrats in the South had a large hold on their party.  Sen. Robert Byrd (KKK Exalted Cyclops) was a leader of the filibuster, along with Sen. Al Gore Sr.  American politics are not always what they seem and the nuances are bound to be a mystery to anyone not a student of history or who did not live during that time.  I'd say it's probably like us trying to fathom the political history of the UK or Germany.  So you guys over there judge us only when you've done your homework, okay?
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on November 07, 2018, 03:13:30 pm
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But for the overwhelming support of Republicans in both houses of Congress, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have failed because a large number of Democrats opposed it. 

A civil rights act really as not needed, and it went too far in that it dictated to private business what they could and could not do.  I anyone had used their justice dept to enforce the existing laws and the constitution, that would have been fine.  Bobby Kennedy was particularly reluctant to use Justice to go after the states that were breaking the laws.  As is always the case, we hit the slippery slope and "Civil rights" are now applied to bakers and photographers who wish not to participate in things like gay weddings. 

It was also republican states that gave women the right to vote first, and it was with Republican votes that they got the national right to vote. 

Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: SilentSkeptic on November 10, 2018, 01:32:20 am

...they do not think that we are exceptional or that we should be or should want to be, they do not think we have a right to limit immigration...

 The argument is no longer over how we should do things that are best for the country, but over how we can change the country.  What used to be fringe is now becoming the popular view among a significant segment of the population. 


When a group of people that go after power and claim only they have the right to all of it, gain that power, what usually happens?

That statement is a bit rich coming from a country with a track record of invading and destroying populist governments as yours.

Such hypocrisy it simply never ceases to amaze. Wish I could show this to a 1930s German or a Libyan in 2011.

Funny you now suddenly want to keep your nation as it was, well suck it up princess you're paying the price for supporting Uncle Stalin.

You ask what the future of your country will look like? Been to South America lately?

You say yourself that leftists tactics are to make a scene instead of use rational argument. So one has to ask why suddenly now at this point in your history, are White men suddenly going around shooting up schools and religious gathering places? This is completely out of character to how they acted for 200 years previously. So what changed? It is obvious these are not organic attacks. The PA shooter was plastered all over the media as a White man. Meanwhile when that Jewish man made 100s of bomb threats towards synagogues earlier this year, the story died the same day it was announded, and his face wasn't seen by anyone. in fact you can't even find a picture of his face.

Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it.


Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 10, 2018, 01:46:07 pm
"Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it."


Stop watching.  Stop listening.  Last time I looked, there was an on/off switch on every tv, radio, etc.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on November 10, 2018, 02:02:43 pm
NAA, Keep watching and listening. The more it aggravates you, the better we like it.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: kathyp on November 10, 2018, 02:55:54 pm
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You say yourself that leftists tactics are to make a scene instead of use rational argument. So one has to ask why suddenly now at this point in your history, are White men suddenly going around shooting up schools and religious gathering places? This is completely out of character to how they acted for 200 years previously. So what changed? It is obvious these are not organic attacks. The PA shooter was plastered all over the media as a White man. Meanwhile when that Jewish man made 100s of bomb threats towards synagogues earlier this year, the story died the same day it was announded, and his face wasn't seen by anyone. in fact you can't even find a picture of his face.

Yet nobody can explain that. Done caring. You liberals and conservatives deserve each other. Your country, your mess. Just stop projecting your problems and lies into the living rooms of the entire world everynight, we are exhausted by it.

mass killings are not on the increase and neither is any kind of violent crime.  In fact, it is decreasing.  There are a few places like chicago that are slaughter cities, but they have what they voted for so most of us don't care.

Why was one guy all over the news and the other not?  Well, one actually killed people so....


Yup, I vote for the off switch if you don't want to see stuff.  Unless you live someplace that forces you to watch, you are making the choice to watch.  If you need help finding the off button, PM me the make of the TV and I will help you with that. 
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 10, 2018, 04:31:31 pm
Big fat  :grin:
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: SilentSkeptic on November 10, 2018, 11:44:26 pm

mass killings are not on the increase and neither is any kind of violent crime.  In fact, it is decreasing. There are a few places like chicago that are slaughter cities, but they have what they voted for so most of us don't care.

Why was one guy all over the news and the other not?  Well, one actually killed people so....

We just had another mass killing here in Australia. Nobody believes the statement they are decreasing. Nobody believes also that another terrorist just decided to choose he same day a year later to kill people.

Again, we know your gov has been implicated in radicalizing Islamic youth towards the goal of terrorism, so nobody any longer believes any of these terrorist attacks happening in the west are simply random individuals.

A White guy going into a synagogue and killing elderly people only benefits Jewish supremacists trying to push an agenda.

The only evidence we have people died are the lies the Jewish owned rags spout. Earlier this year that same area went through a shooter drill. It's most likely those elderly died of natural causes and the whole incident was a CIA staged psy op.

If a Jewish man like Michael Ron David Kadar is caught making false threats against synagogues then it is more likely this PA shooting is fake, with the sole purpose of pretending anti-Semitism is a real thing. When the reality is, it's created by Jews for their own internal cohesive benefit.

Don't need help in finding the off button for this place.
Title: Re: Is America tearing itself apart?
Post by: iddee on November 11, 2018, 02:09:01 pm
""Don't need help in finding the off button for this place.""

Then why haven't you used it?