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Title: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Van, Arkansas, USA on April 08, 2018, 06:19:19 pm
I believe most beeks are familiar with the waggle dance of a bee which directs other forage bees to a good source, (telling) the forage gees the DISTANCE and DIRECTION of the food source.

I intend to explain this dance very simply:

First DISTANCE.  This is easy, one second of waggles for each 3,300 feet (1000 meters.) Pay attention to only the waggle time, that is the length of time the bee shakes, waggles it?s abdomen.  After the waggle the bee will make a loop either to the right or left and return to its original position and waggle again and again.  For distance pay no attention to the loops, only the length of time of the waggling abdomen.  Two seconds of waggle equals 6,600 ft, 2000 meters, over a mile.

If a beeks feed the bees in the apiary the waggle is instant,,,,a split second,  that is such a quick waggle as the dance looks more like a figure 8, because the distance is so short, only feet away.

Second DIRECTION.  The waggling bee will always waggle in the same direction, again, pay no attention to the loops the bees make, note only the direction of the waggling bee.  The direction of the waggling is the direction from the sun.

With your mind, draw a line as the bee waggles, the waggles will always be the same direction.  A bee picks a starting point, waggles in a specific direction, then loops either to the right or left does not matter and returns to the same starting point to waggle in the same direction, again loops to the same starting point and waggles over and over IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

So: if the bee is waggling straight up on a verticle frame that means the direction of food is straight towards the sun, so fly towards the sun.  If the bee waggles straight down on a frame that means the food source is away from the sun, or fly with the sun to your back to reach the food source.

If the waggle dance forms a line straight in the middle of the frame say to the right then that means exit the hive and fly to the right 90 degrees to the sun or east of the hive.

If the waggle line is to the left or directly horizontal to the frame, that means West, 90 degrees.

So if a bee waggles  one second and the dance is straight DOWN on a frame, then the food source is appropriately 3300 feet directly away from the sun.

Waggle straight up, straight towards the sun.
Waggle straight down, away from the sun, opposite the sun.
Waggle to the right, fly out of the hive and go right of the sun, the precise angle.
Waggle to the left, fly out of the hive and go left of the sun......

What is important is to note the waggle only, just the time and direction.  Pay no attention to the loops as the bee returns to the same starting point, the waggles only indicates direction and distance.
If I have caused confusion, please advise, I find it difficult to critique my own writings.

To simplify mankind orientates direction  via a compass with reference to the North where as bees orientate direction via the sun.  Now what is really amazing is a honey bee can accommodate for the sun rising and falling according to the time of day with the waggle dance cause early morning Sun is way different direction as a setting sun.  Just ingenious little critters.

Wish all health and prosperity.
Blessings



It does not matter which way the hive entrance faces, only the direction of the waggle dance.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 08, 2018, 07:22:54 pm
Van,
I have known the basics for a long time but not the actual distance in feet. Thanks. I think we should make this a stickie. I will contact Robo and see what he thinks.
Jim
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Van, Arkansas, USA on April 08, 2018, 08:11:34 pm
You just made my day, Jim.
Blessings
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: eltalia on April 08, 2018, 10:34:42 pm
Van,
I have known the basics for a long time but not the actual distance in feet.
Thanks. I think we should make this a stickie. I will contact Robo and see what he thinks.
Jim

Concur Jim.. tho' I too aint so sure about the distances there
being 5280' in a mile and > 1.5km in a mile.
AFAIAA.. EHB will do 5km max under stress, foraging I would
hesitate to put a number on it.
I took the numbers Van gave as example only, not something
fixed in stone.

Bill
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: bwallace23350 on April 08, 2018, 11:26:36 pm
Great info.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Robo on April 08, 2018, 11:57:21 pm
Van,
I have known the basics for a long time but not the actual distance in feet. Thanks. I think we should make this a stickie. I will contact Robo and see what he thinks.
Jim

Done :happy:
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 09, 2018, 12:16:30 am
Thanks Rob.
Jim
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Skeggley on April 09, 2018, 10:14:39 am
Brilliant, even the bees work with the metric system.

Thanks Van.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Robo on April 09, 2018, 10:36:47 am
Brilliant, even the bees work with the metric system.

Thanks Van.

Funny,  that was the first thing I thought of when I read it too. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: capt44 on April 09, 2018, 12:08:43 pm
What happens on warm days and the bees are feeding on fermented sugar syrup and get tipsy.
The bees will be flying everywhere and the waggle dancer will be in the hive giggling.
Just a thought I had.
But it is good information.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: JackM on April 10, 2018, 10:15:45 am
Very cool. 

What is your source of this information?  Did you discover this?  If so how did you follow/isolate one bee?  Not trying to be a dick, which it probably sounds like, I am truly interested in how this was figured out.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Michael Bush on April 10, 2018, 10:39:03 am
Karl von Frisch figured it out and wrote several papers on the topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Frisch
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 10, 2018, 10:45:20 am
Very cool. 

What is your source of this information?  Did you discover this?  If so how did you follow/isolate one bee?  Not trying to be a dick, which it probably sounds like, I am truly interested in how this was figured out.

Capt,
Several years ago a team was studying the dance and put numbers on the backs of a lot of bees and had feeder stations at set coordinates. They had one person watching the bees on the comb, one at the entrance marking the time a bee left and returned and a person at each feed station marking arrival and departure times.
I do not recall that they provided the time per second on the video.
I will see if I can find the video and add a link.
Jim
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 10, 2018, 10:58:52 am
Here is a write up of the study. The first part is about crows, scroll down for the bee dance study.
https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~ksoma/306.15%20Spr17%20Feeding%20Behavior%201.pdf
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 10, 2018, 11:12:31 am
Here is the link I was looking for. It does have the travel time included.
https://youtu.be/Vaszh2bY3mc
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 10, 2018, 11:16:38 am
Sorry, wrong link.
Try this one:
https://youtu.be/bFDGPgXtK-U
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Ben Framed on April 10, 2018, 11:55:41 am
Very good information here, thanks to all.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Van, Arkansas, USA on April 11, 2018, 10:23:01 am
Jim, perfect video, good link, works.  Thanks Buddy.
Blessings
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: eltalia on April 11, 2018, 06:00:51 pm
:thumbs up:

That ones a keeper :-))
Thankyou Jim.

Bill
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: windowbee on April 13, 2019, 03:28:34 pm
Hi there,
There You can see dance explaination too.
I have recorded this in february:
https://youtu.be/Rrl26M0cwGc (https://youtu.be/Rrl26M0cwGc)

hope U enjoy it.
Title: Re: Waggle dance of a bee: explained.
Post by: Nock on June 20, 2019, 11:38:03 pm
I seen this today. I was watching a new bee emerging. She came out and another came by and started the dance. Amazing sight.