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MEMBER & GUEST INTERACTION SECTION => THE 2ND AMENDMENT => Topic started by: iddee on April 01, 2018, 10:17:48 pm

Title: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: iddee on April 01, 2018, 10:17:48 pm
London became a bit more like New York City in February, but it's not a distinction to be proud of.

The city of Big Ben and the tube overtook New York in murders for the first time in modern history as the British capital dealt with a surge in knife attacks.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/01/london-murder-rate-beats-new-york-for-month-as-stabbings-surge.html
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 01, 2018, 10:42:37 pm
So, I guess they are going to have to start registering knives.
Jim
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 02, 2018, 06:38:28 pm
>So, I guess they are going to have to start registering knives.

Too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: herbhome on April 02, 2018, 07:40:31 pm
Wow Michael,

That was eye-opening.

Reminds me of the saying, "If your only tool is a hammer, you will approach every problem as if it is a nail"

These kind of laws are born in a mentality of, "There ought to be a law!"
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 03, 2018, 09:10:29 am
I kind of got into modifying Leatherman tools for my personal use and ran into posts on boards where people from various European countries were modifying theirs to either have no knife or a very small knife, depending on the laws.  Their dilemma was having it for long enough to modify it without getting arrested... and here I was feeling sorry for myself because I leave mine behind every time I fly...  In fact, Leatherman even started making a knifeless option for people with those issues:
https://www.leatherman.com/knifeless-rebar-465.html?cgid=multi-tools#start=1
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 03, 2018, 11:53:38 am
London became a bit more like New York City in February, but it's not a distinction to be proud of.

The city of Big Ben and the tube overtook New York in murders for the first time in modern history as the British capital dealt with a surge in knife attacks.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/01/london-murder-rate-beats-new-york-for-month-as-stabbings-surge.html
iddee Most of the knife deaths are usually Black on Black gangs and most would say no great loss. I think I would still much prefer to live in London (I don't) than New York, much less chance of tens of children being gunned down in school or the odd plane colliding with a tall building!
yes, the city of Big Ben and the tube overtook New York in murders for the first time in modern history as the our capital dealt with a surge in knife attacks. But I don't think it will be long before it goes back the other way.
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: kathyp on April 03, 2018, 12:22:50 pm
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But I don't think it will be long before it goes back the other way.

Perhaps, but you already have draconian knife laws and they did not stop this.  It is certainly possible to kill someone with the allowed 3 inch pocket knife blade, but somehow I don't think that was what was used in the majority of these murders.

Since the majority of our gun deaths are either suicide or gang related, I am equally safe with our gun laws I think. 

Didn't you guys have a concert blown up?  And then there was the train, and the airport.....

I believe the takeaway should be that bad people do bad things regardless of the laws.  The only people put at a disadvantage by the laws are the ones willing to follow the laws. 
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 05, 2018, 10:01:37 am
> I think I would still much prefer to live in London (I don't) than New York...

I think if I owned New York City, London, and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent out NYC and London...
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Hops Brewster on April 05, 2018, 10:39:47 am
I have a step-daughter who has lived in both London and NYC.  She said London was more frightening by far.  She told me that in London the thieves target foreigners and they are very good at knowing even the subtle differences.  She had her purse cut from her in the tube.  Her husband (a Norwegian) was mugged twice, once at knife point and once slugged from behind.  This one put him in hospital.  All this in the space of 18 months.  They now live outside Oslo.

No matter the weapon, a scumbag is a scumbag all over the world.
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: iddee on April 05, 2018, 11:56:07 am
AMEN, Michael.
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Spur9 on April 05, 2018, 12:22:11 pm
> I think I would still much prefer to live in London (I don't) than New York...

I think if I owned New York City, London, and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent out NYC and London...

Now that's funny!  Another coffee stain on my keyboard.  :grin:
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Spur9 on April 05, 2018, 01:27:53 pm
I believe the takeaway should be that bad people do bad things regardless of the laws.

And too many of these people are getting a slap on the wrist or a free pass.
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 05, 2018, 02:07:50 pm
> I think I would still much prefer to live in London (I don't) than New York...

I think if I owned New York City, London, and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent out NYC and London...
:happy: :happy:
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 05, 2018, 04:04:23 pm
I should have credited Sheridan who said: "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent Texas and live in Hell..."  Unlike Sheridan, though, I LIKE Texas...
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Dallasbeek on April 05, 2018, 07:54:43 pm
Sheridan had just spent the summer in South Texas while fighting in the Mexican War (or whatever you call it).  That can be one very hot place.  Just think of the uniforms they wore, no A/C, so on.  I'd say it was about like Cuba during the Spanish-American war. 
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: herbhome on April 06, 2018, 02:05:15 am
No matter the weapon, a scumbag is a scumbag all over the world.

Hear Here!
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Robo on April 06, 2018, 02:08:34 pm
Here ya go Wally -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5583149/Police-rush-scene-two-men-stabbed-east-London.html

and....

https://truthuncensored.net/6-time-felon-killed-in-shootout-by-year-old-during-attempted-home-invasion/
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 10, 2018, 06:13:55 am
Here ya go Wally -> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5583149/Police-rush-scene-two-men-stabbed-east-London.html

and....

https://truthuncensored.net/6-time-felon-killed-in-shootout-by-year-old-during-attempted-home-invasion/

Just another newspaper headline..........https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-murder-rate-new-york-compare-worse-stabbings-knife-crime-teenagers-statistics-figures-a8286866.html
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: salvo on April 11, 2018, 12:01:54 am
Hi Folks,

I'm not a knife collector,... more of a knife accumulator. I've habituated a few knife forums over the years. A forum BritishBlades.com was a favorite. Now gone! Knives are dangerous in the UK. There is some beautiful art out there. Some call it weaponry.

Another UK forum just implemented restrictions. This just on Sunday:

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Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 11, 2018, 10:13:11 am
I would guess that I typically use a knife as a tool a dozen times a day.  Did we invent tools and fight our way to the top of the food chain just to surrender our tools?  I've carried a knife in my pocket since I was 8.  All of us had pocket knives at school.  I never knew a boy who did not when I was growing up.  No only have I never used a knife as a weapon, but I never saw a knife used as a weapon, in my entire life.  I've heard of such a thing, of course, but never knew anyone who was attacked by a knife.  Apparently all our tools are now weapons...
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: kathyp on April 11, 2018, 02:25:08 pm
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Apparently all our tools are now weapons...

Or all our tools can be weapons. 

I remember a fight between two girls in HS.  The weapon was a can/bottle opener. 
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Dallasbeek on April 11, 2018, 02:33:37 pm
Two guys in my barracks got into it with entrenching tools in the middle of the night.  Never knew what that was about, but they were going at it with some serious intent.
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: sawdstmakr on April 11, 2018, 07:55:17 pm
I had a guy put a knife to my neck when I was in my navy school barracks. He thought he could scare me. He caught me off guard.  I was always waiting from him to come back in my room and try it. ?Fool me once?.
Jim
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 12, 2018, 01:53:02 pm
>Or all our tools can be weapons. 

Absolutely.  I remember for a while when I flew, back when you had to check in, they would ask if I had "anything that could be used as a weapon".  I always answered "no" while I thought, "anything can be used as a weapon..."  The one attack with a weapon I remember when I was a kid was one kid stabbing another with a sharp pencil... despite the fact that both kids had a knife in their pocket...
Title: Re: CIDER, those mean ol' guns have help, don't they?
Post by: Spur9 on April 13, 2018, 05:16:20 pm
I got into a tussle with a guy back in high school.  In lieu of brass knuckles, he had a Master Lock combination lock from his locker in his hand.  I still cringe from the pain.  Haven't been able to breathe out one side of my nose since.  He wore me out with that thing.

Remember those long combs with the wavy handles girls would wear in their back pockets?  The ones with the teeth about an inch and a half long?  Saw 2 girls get into a brawl in high school and one girl came close to taking out an eyeball of the other with a comb like that.