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Title: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 02, 2017, 11:06:26 pm
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.

Recently we've all become too aware of the lies we've been told over the years. Some are whoppers. Others simply frustrating because we know they are lies. How can they say such things?

Let's recall some of those "unforgettable" little gems from the past. I want to see the ones that make us smile,... groan,... face palm. I want to see the big ones and the little ones. You can tell us who said it,... or wait to see who knows who said it. Try to only post one or two at a time. Post your best. We all know a ton of 'em, but give the next poster a chance to present his jewel. Too many all in the same post diminishes the impact of all of them.

I'll start out with a great one:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 02, 2017, 11:22:54 pm
: hands in air:
"Dunno Mummy... the fairys did it"

: accepting the 10 buck loan from a mate:
"THANKS Maate... see ya on payday"

: car keys from Dad: Saturday Night
"I'll only be an hour"
                                      Sunday Lunch
" Yeh yeh Dad, I'll wash the back seat this arvo"

Life... gotta love it!

--

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 02, 2017, 11:36:57 pm
You can keep your Doctor.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 03, 2017, 05:18:26 am
The income tax   "and others""  is only temporary.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 03, 2017, 05:22:42 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn, Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Thomas Lynch Jr, Arthur Middleton, John Hancock, Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll, George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson Jr, Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton, Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, George Taylor, Caesar Rodney, George Read, William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris, Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark, Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Stephen Hopkins, Oliver Wolcott.

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: beecanbee on September 03, 2017, 06:37:25 am
Though there is still time to do this....   :smile:

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Start winning again. "We're going to win so much -- win after win after win -- that you're going to be begging me: 'Please, Mr. President, let us lose once or twice. We can't stand it any more.' And I'm going to say: 'No way. We're going to keep winning. We're never going to lose. We're never, ever going to lose."
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 03, 2017, 07:17:34 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

(list edited)

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ

..check the fine print LJ "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, "
Thus one of "their" rights is the permission under "their" g0d to determine whom it is qualifies
as "men".
Of course the theme was universal amongst many of those expanionist nations in occupying
other lands, judging the indigenous as "savages".

Cheers.

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 03, 2017, 08:25:48 am

Sometimes "lies" are necessary to achieve a greater good. Sometimes lies unintentionally bring about a greater good. Sometimes lies are not about what we are, but what we want to be. An "ancient" society should not be judged by today's standards. Founding Fathers were men of their time. They espoused to something greater than they had, but the timing was all wrong. They created a document to get us there.

[size=12pt]"Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears."

?I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races?that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.?

Abraham Lincoln[/size]

I don't forget that Lincoln freed ONLY the slaves of the rebel states. The northern states got to keep their slaves,... for a while.

My opinion only.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 03, 2017, 09:11:19 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

Quote
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

(list edited)

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ

..check the fine print LJ "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, "
Thus one of "their" rights is the permission under "their" g0d to determine whom it is qualifies
as "men".
Of course the theme was universal amongst many of those expanionist nations in occupying
other lands, judging the indigenous as "savages".

Cheers.

Bill

Naaah - not buying that - it clearly says, "We hold these truths  ... ALL men ..." - not men our god approves of, or qualified in any other way - "just white men" etc., as is often proposed.

And "We" - as in 'the undersigned'.  The document went through several drafts before it was finally agreed upon - so they knew exactly what they were saying - or ought to have done.

In a very real sense, America (as an independent country) was actually founded upon this issue of Race and Colour - an issue which still exists to this very day.  It hasn't gone away - it still hasn't been reconciled.

So the F-F were lying. Just like politicians do.  That's their stock-in-trade. Don't get me started on our lot - they're probably the worst of all.  Britain got rich on Slavery, on peddling narcotics to China, and subjugating India.   Britain's working classes weren't treated very well either. It took a World War to begin the process of change over here, and there's still a helluva long way to go.

Come the revolution ....
LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 04, 2017, 04:35:12 am
Just in case anyone should think I'm being anti-American - here's another example concerning the same issue, during the same period of history, only now on this side of the Atlantic ...

The BIG name associated with the Abolition of Slavery over here in Britain was a guy named William Wilberforce, who was the major driving force behind the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, 1807.
Following the passing of that Act, the Royal Navy began intercepting Slave Ships on the high seas but, rather than transporting their pressed cargo back to their countries of origin and releasing them there, instead carried those unfortunates to Sierra Leone where they were purchased by Wilberforce who had set up that Colony in 1808 on the premise that former slaves and white men could live and work together there as equals. Indeed, they were no longer termed 'Slaves', but were made 'Apprentices' - without their consent - for 14 years instead, and duly held in irons should they attempt escape. Wilberforce kept some 'Apprentices' for work in the colony, but sold others to neighbouring landowners, where they were returned to their former slave labour. Insodoing, the great abolitionist had himself become a slave-trader.

It was only after the first Crown Governor of Sierra Leone was appointed, one 25 year-old Lt. Thomas Perronet Thompson, that this extraordinary practice began to be exposed to the Colonial Office, as Wilberforce had refused to discuss it with him. However, that disclosure was to result in Thompson's dismissal ... at Wilberforce's request.  The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 followed in due course, which finally eliminated such 'irregularities'.

So - was Wilberforce 'lying' ?  I guess it all depends on what one means by the word 'lying'.  We often talk of a person "living a lie" when they deceive others for any length of time, so I'd suggest "Yes, he was".

LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 09:10:16 am
All politicians lie and all politicians work for themselves first and if we are lucky enough work for their constituents next.  Some never work for who they represent.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 05:37:48 pm
""All politicians lie and all politicians work for themselves first and if we are lucky enough work for their constituents next.  Some never work for who they represent.""

Golly, Gee, Ace. You finally got something right. Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 04, 2017, 08:17:26 pm
"Global Warming,...Climate Change,... Climate Disruption,... IS man made.

And the government has to tax and spend to solve it."

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 08:44:11 pm
Salvo, you need to ask admin for a sarcasm smilie.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 09:32:30 pm
Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.
Hey, I would be right there with you if he wasn't a carpet bagger.  This why the south can't give up the term darn Yankee.  It keeps happening to them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 10:03:55 pm
NO, NO. A yankee comes down and goes back. A dam yankee comes and stays. He's just a plain yankee. Of course, so was George Washington.

You've starting to wise up. You just have a ways to go.   :tongue:   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 10:52:53 pm
A dam yankee comes and stays.

I very well know this.  I worked in textiles for 11 years.  Many southerners were my friend, they knew I was going home.  You do know the turd lives in FL?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 06:18:09 am
You do??    :angry:   :cheesy:     
Trump lives in New York and goes to Florida only to return to New York, where the majority of his belongings are.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 09:02:38 am
You do??    :angry:   :cheesy:     
Trump lives in New York and goes to Florida only to return to New York, where the majority of his belongings are.

Trump lives in FL and visits the White House.  His wife lived in NY with their kid.  She is eye candy for the turd.  Melania has since moved to Washington with her son most likely in separate rooms from the Donny.  Security for the tower in NY and the golf course in FL is destroying any chance of a balanced budget and it is just one way the thief is stealing from the American people.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 11:19:13 am
Poor, poor Ace.
In the rain, he sees the likelihood of drowning.
In the sun, he sees sunburn.
I am sure glad I have a more positive eyesight on life than that. He is so pitiful.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 05, 2017, 12:29:59 pm
Please get back on topic, guys.   Pretty please?  With sugar on it?  I keep coming to this thread to see some new lie only to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 05, 2017, 12:41:59 pm
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you...




       BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 05, 2017, 12:44:08 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 05, 2017, 12:57:32 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .

Your perception is your reality. whether it is true or not




            BEE Happy Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 05, 2017, 02:44:25 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .

Your perception is your reality. whether it is true or not


That's very zen.  Is that a lie?

            BEE Happy Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 03:05:44 pm
This new SS tax will be totally volunteer. You can contribute or not, your choice.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 03:06:45 pm
NO, Iraq will not be another Viet Nam.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 05, 2017, 05:13:53 pm
NO, Iraq will not be another Viet Nam.

That was a real whopper! :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 05, 2017, 05:15:52 pm

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."



This was the first one came to my mind. :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 05:27:21 pm
I keep coming to this thread to see some new lie only to be disappointed.

I refuse to waste my time writing them all.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 05, 2017, 05:42:34 pm
Brian,
You picked a good on for lies,  The NY Times.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 06:13:49 pm
Brian, I told you in a prior post. You can source the biggest lies with less typing than that. Just like this.

https://www.nytimes.com/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 09:06:11 pm
Brian, I told you in a prior post. You can source the biggest lies with less typing than that. Just like this.

https://www.nytimes.com/

I am not one for believing what I am told.  Just go down through the turds campaign promises.  I don't think there has ever been a politician that has lied more and he claims not to be a politician.  Oops there is another lie.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 09:49:02 pm
""I don't think there has ever been a politician that has lied more and he claims not to be a politician.  Oops there is another lie.""

Hey, now you have added one to the OP. That statement is one of the biggest ever told. He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 05, 2017, 11:00:23 pm
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:49:28 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 06, 2017, 10:56:31 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.

So true, witness what occurred to elect Obama, and then the backlash that got Trump elected.    As long as this country continues to elect the Left and Right extremists, we shall continue to be at each others' throats.

As in every aspect of live, moderation is key.  Extremism leads to destruction.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 11:05:29 am
""The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left""

If that is true, you liberals should be encouraging him to continue on, not fighting everything he tries to do.

I love his latest move. DACA  He says he wants DACA, but wants it done legally. Congress can get off it's sorry butt and do it legally or he will let the people know that they refused to do their job and the dreamers have to go. All because of the uselessness of the left side of congress.  It's beautiful.

Yes, he produces a lot of executive orders that have been challenged, but got results without them ever being executed. Now there is no executive order and no  more challenge, but the job got done. That's what I call a smart operation.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 06, 2017, 01:09:20 pm
Emoticon didn't work.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 02:16:59 pm
Yes, he produces a lot of executive orders that have been challenged, but got results without them ever being executed.
Exactly what results have got done?  DACA is not done.  If it does get done Trump is going to lose a lot of employees in his businesses.  A difficult solution to get done by congress in 6 months.  Good luck with that.  That stands as much a chance of happening as removing Obamma Care.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on September 06, 2017, 02:20:08 pm
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

"bees will only work up"

"feeding bees can't hurt"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
@Michael
Didja ever hear the one uttered....
"...the Editor knows best"
                                        :cheesy:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 04:45:16 pm
Volunteer deportations have reduced the welfare load by millions of dollars since he came in.
Threats always work better than action, and cost a lot less.

If the H-Y could do it illegally with the stroke of a pen in minutes, Congress should be able to do it legally in 6 months. If not, I guess it will show their incompetence.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 05:11:58 pm
@iddee

... an' what has the voluntry withdrawal of migration to the USA
cost you guys, ol' fella?
The fallout from this period in USA history won't touchdown for
years yet... but there will be pain, eventually ;-(

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 05:43:40 pm
At 72 years old, how much should I worry about what happens years from now. Especially since, without this action, the US may not exist years from now.
The US at the moment is like a hive being robbed out. Either get a robber screen on or the hive will be gone.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 06:04:46 pm
So at 72 you would know what Castro cost you... years missed tokin'  on
fine tobacco rolled 'tween the breasts of dusky young maidens.
That "musk of the jungle" lost in your lifetime :-}

As a generalisation it is the fat cats of US business who have lost sight (and touch) of their roots.
The BS from Doddles is mere rhetoric, well founded/researched sure, but as genuine as the love
puppies his trophy wife sports.
Your progeny will pay for his time in a world he does not understand, maybe you could tell them
how you feel...?... add that to your sig.lines?...heh
I know I find it difficult (embarassing) explaining World Order to my G'kids... when they can drag
themselves away from Minecraft!


Cheers.

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 06:49:35 pm
Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 07:16:18 pm
At 72 years old, how much should I worry about what happens years from now.

There in lies the problem with the Donny and most republicans.  They only think of themselves and could care what happens to their kids.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 07:25:54 pm
Can you only read one line, Ace?  Without this action from MR. TRUMP, our kids won't need to be worried about. They won't have a US to live in. The destruction is well under way.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 08:48:00 pm
Can you only read one line, Ace?  Without this action from MR. TRUMP, our kids won't need to be worried about. They won't have a US to live in. The destruction is well under way.
Trump is screwing your kids and mine.  The thought of what he has done to your grand kids is sickening.  Unless you are one of the one percent.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:19:08 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids. Grand and great grand were screwed during the last 8 years. If he does damage to any, it will be to G,G, Gkids, while trying to save the G and G Grand that the libs have already destroyed.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:26:40 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids.

Walley are you a family of rabbits? :-)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:29:29 pm
Ace, study a bit. 3 plus generations is what it would take to pay off the H-Y's deficit. Then you can start looking for someone to pay Trump's.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:31:36 pm
You have used the H-Y's term before and I can't figure out what it is.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:37:06 pm
If you aren't qualified to be white, and ain't qualified to be black, you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 09:54:26 pm
You have used the H-Y's term before and I can't figure out what it is.

Crikey... I "got it" and from 10, 000 miles away!
It is highly bigoted use of reference, so lucky we are a
friendly lot, us b'keeps ;-))

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 09:58:38 pm

Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?


heh... how Doddles is "making America great 'gin", single syllable catch phrases
delivered very very slowly!
Hey, have you noticed how it is Kim Jong-un claps his audience in exactly the
same manner as Doddles... slow, loud, patronising "pats on the head" style.

https://m.you  tube.com/watch?v=qnLabOHyz2Y

Quote

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does.

..... be careful of what you wish for, heh heh ;-D


Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:04:05 pm
From one bigot to another, Welcome.   :cool:

""By using this term they create what I call an infinite loop of intolerance.

If someone is accused of bigotry then the accusing party must also be intolerant of the accused persons intolerance; therefore, it is self evident that the term bigot in a sense, can not actually exist in a free society or open debate because of it's self-destructive, self-imploding and hypocritical nature.""



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigot


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 10:14:21 pm
Gees Walley that hurts.  My grand mother was impregnated by a GI who cut and ran.  She took her son, my father here to America to marry a Canadian she didn't know.  My father got his citizenship by fighting the Germans in Italy.  You would think they would have put him in the south pacific seeing as how he came from Germany.  There is no telling what my DNA would reveal.  Our whole family as we know it is white but if it came up some percentage of black, yellow, brown or green it wouldn't make a difference to me because what my grandmother gave me by what she did is US citizenship.  And for that she is my greatest American hero.  She got her citizenship after working her ass off for forty years for a benevolent Jew.  We all were very proud when she pledged allegiance to the flag.
This country is made up of a mixture of every race in the world.  It is the only thing that makes us great.  It is not our money or our power that makes us great and it darn sure isn't because we are white.  To give up on what we have accomplished in humanity will be the end of an empire.
The Trump wall which will be no more than a racket ball fence in certain areas will be covered with graffiti on the American side and urinated on by the Mexicans digging a hole underneath it until it eventually disintegrates.  Only a moron could come up with such a idea after Russia already tried it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:25:23 pm
Ace, again you don't seem to study very hard. We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

I have nothing against any of them. I do have something against the parents of any of them who are mixed between those 3 if it were done willingly and purposely, without need or pressure.

As for the term, it was a widely used term when I was growing up here, and was used to shame the parents more than the child.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 06, 2017, 10:31:04 pm
Do you folks not know any LIES? This thread is about LIES! Hit and run LIES.

I'm a relative newbee here, but Mother of Jesus... LIES! Not conversation! LIES!

I'll give you an example.

To say that man is not responsible for climate change is to deny settled science.

BUT,...

How dare you say anyone is a MALE or a FEMALE?

Isn't there a "science" behind "gender"?


LIES!

Cis-gender Sal 

I post this with all due respect for you older folks. I am not a hater. Mea maxima culpa. (Big smiley face here.) :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 10:39:33 pm
Do you folks not know any LIES? This thread is about LIES! Hit and run LIES.

I'm a relative newbee here, but Mother of Jesus... LIES! Not conversation! LIES!

I'll give you an example.

To say that man is not responsible for climate change is to deny settled science.

BUT,...

How dare you say anyone is a MALE or a FEMALE?

Isn't there a "science" behind "gender"?


LIES!

Cis-gender Sal 

I post this with all due respect for you older folks. I am not a hater. Mea maxima culpa. (Big smiley face here.) :wink:

HEH... it goes with the territory maaaate, these threads always go belly up
as the dialogue running rampant is all some know. So it is those folk feel 'safe'
in displayed intelligence... especially the quoters bereft of independant thought
processes.
Yeh.. beats me why too :wink:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 10:40:33 pm
@iddee

Huh..?... why shame anyone based on genetics?
It's content/commitment/contribution that counts, surely...no?

BTW... the first to drag out a manual/bible/dictionary as creds
in a debate loses. Instant disqualification, like..heh

  : slow clap:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:45:58 pm
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 07, 2017, 12:28:40 am
I like it when a thread goes down the gutter. Keeps me entertained.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 06:23:55 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.


So true, witness what occurred to elect Obama, and then the backlash that got Trump elected.    As long as this country continues to elect the Left and Right extremists, we shall continue to be at each others' throats.

As in every aspect of live, moderation is key.  Extremism leads to destruction.

For once I agree with Hops, (or maybe the other way round) I have always advocated pulling in from the extreme left or right, for those leanings could lead to disaster! Do we wish to return to the Thirties? Listening iddee? I don't want my grandchildren to live through what my father had to. :sad:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 07, 2017, 06:30:36 am
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.

It's the Innernetz ol' timer.. there aint no winners :-))))

Thanks for the yike tho', you engage well... promise I'll keep
my two bits to myself in further baits.. heh

Cheerio....

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 07:34:14 am
If you aren't qualified to be white, and ain't qualified to be black, you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them.
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iddee
Are you extracting the urine or are you an out and out Racist? The next time you are in hospital will you refuse treatment from "you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them". Doctor/Nurse? Please don't play the freedom of speech card and the "I was only answering a question GOC. Either you posted to wind people up or you really believe in the Thirties Germany. You make me feel :embarassed: for you.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 07:41:53 am
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.

It's the Innernetz ol' timer.. there aint no winners :-))))

Thanks for the yike tho', you engage well... promise I'll keep
my two bits to myself in further baits.. heh

Cheerio....

Bill

Why? He just lives for it :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 08:08:14 am
Cider, does ALL the history you have ever posted reflect your personal feelings? As I stated, I have nothing against any race, nor the half breeds. It's the parents that made the half breeds that I have an opinion of, and yes, it's a negative opinion. It is not the race, nor group, nor the individual victim of the action. It's the ones who acted to make that individual that I am against.
Now tell me you don't dislike a person on earth because of something they did, no matter the group they associate with. If you say that, it will fit well in this thread, "biggest lies".  Just think Trump.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 08:10:16 am
We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

Which one is Adam or Eve?  How about the Ape?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 08:22:41 am
I have nothing against any race, nor the half breeds. It's the parents that made the half breeds that I have an opinion of,

Walley, that contradicts all logic.  You made a statement that people couple with a different race because they are not good enough for the race they are.  That defies logic.

Quote
I have nothing against any race,

Now we are on topic...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 08:38:07 am
So, are you saying individuals cannot be better or worse than other individuals in their own group? Now THAT defies logic.
I like whites, blacks, and orientals. I do not like the individuals who mix them up. That is not prejudiced against anyone. It's disliking the actions of individuals.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 09:22:58 am
That is not prejudiced against anyone.

LOL it certainly is Walley.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 09:32:52 am
OK, then it is not nearly as prejudiced as you are against Trump.
If you can hate an individual because of their actions, so can I.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 09:49:13 am
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 10:13:53 am
Hey, OP, I think we have a winner here. I can't think of one that would top that one, so I'll leave the thread and hope it gets back on track.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 07, 2017, 02:40:38 pm
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.
Brian,
You mean Obama set America back a 100 years of progress. That is why he was put in office by George Soros. He hates America.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 05:15:10 pm
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.

Ace
I would think it is time to pull the plug on iddee in more ways than one . He has gone so far off scale he's as I used to say, dropped off the edge. One could say good riddance!!

Ace
As of your above quote I don't think iddee and his ilk realize what contempt DT is held around the world. The western world used to look to the president of US for a modicum of leadership.....but from a clown? Still love the country, but not the clown nominally in charge.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 07, 2017, 07:16:36 pm
We felt the same way about the last president. A junior senator, wet behind the ears, and proved it most every day he was in office.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 08, 2017, 07:16:29 am
We felt the same way about the last president. A junior senator, wet behind the ears, and proved it most every day he was in office.
You're probably right but I think Obama was a far better orator
r and could carry more people with him. Would you want government policy by tweet? Can you imagine the dialogue between the fat guy in NK and your clown?  Keyboards at the ready ......go!  Dosn't' not bear thinking about.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 08, 2017, 01:04:55 pm
Obama was really good at reading a teleprompter.  Without the TP, not so much. 
When he had to ad-lib he could hardly form a sentence.
Orator... not so much.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 08, 2017, 01:38:55 pm
He was also good at bowing to other world leaders. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/728869d20dceaf4ffbec57bb0f8b2b8c.jpg)

Let's not forget the red line in Syria.

Really respected around the world. . .
What a joke!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 08, 2017, 05:04:29 pm
Ace, again you don't seem to study very hard. We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

Iddee, I was taught the same thing. It is actually one of the biggest lies we were taught in school. Any research you do on this subject will show that there is no such thing as races amongst Homo sapiens. Scripture teaches that we are all the descendants of one mother and modern mitochondrial genetic science shows that we all descended from one mother in East Africa.

Every human on earth is kinfolks.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on September 08, 2017, 06:17:43 pm
herbhome
Quote
Iddee, I was taught the same thing. It is actually one of the biggest lies we were taught in school. Any research you do on this subject will show that there is no such thing as races amongst Homo sapiens. Scripture teaches that we are all the descendants of one mother and modern mitochondrial genetic science shows that we all descended from one mother in East Africa.

Every human on earth is kinfolks.
Thumbs up.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 08, 2017, 06:28:12 pm
He was also good at bowing to other world leaders. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/728869d20dceaf4ffbec57bb0f8b2b8c.jpg)

Let's not forget the red line in Syria.

Really respected around the world. . .
What a joke!

"
I don't know the context behind the picture, it looks as though he was having a bit of fun! More likely photo shop, but I  agree. "Really respected around the world? What a joke!"        "........ DT is certainly that
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 08, 2017, 09:11:31 pm
Yes it was a photoshopped photo.  Just to show that he would bow to pretty much anybody.
Only time will tell with Trump. I don't really have a problem with a bull in a China shop. Kind of refreshing.
Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 05:36:24 am
Yes it was a photoshopped photo.  Just to show that he would bow to pretty much anybody.
Only time will tell with Trump. I don't really have a problem with a bull in a China shop. Kind of refreshing.
Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.

A bull in a china shop with the state of play in North Korea? Don't forget these people are unhidged even more so than your clown. At least your clown has a few more restrained advisors around him, the ones in NK get shot. Can you imagine what would happen to the worlds economy if it turns 'hot' in NK? I bet you would give a rat's arse then. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 05:47:52 am
"Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.,"

Like mass immunisation programs you my friend should count yourself lucky the majority
keeps your 2% minority safe. Safe in proclaiming insular is a way forward, it's not IF you
can say Kim Jong-un. :cool:

Like Dubbya (idiot POTUS) Doddles gets told what he wants to hear, internationally.
Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.

Compliments.


Bill

--
(edit reference)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 07:55:42 am
The last president was playing fiddle while the ship sank.
He told everyone what they wanted to hear. Didn't rock the boat, and they took advantage of that weakness. Statesmanship means nothing when your at the bottom of the ocean.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 09:50:52 am
The last president was playing fiddle while the ship sank.
He told everyone what they wanted to hear. Didn't rock the boat, and they took advantage of that weakness. Statesmanship means nothing when your at the bottom of the ocean.
As said, 2%'rs, hawking simplified metaphor whilst chewing gum and so
of no value, offshore. The engine in your metaphorical ship/boat..?.. made
in the USA, was it?

Barry has the runs on the board, albeit a mixed bag there did exist positive
messages for steady improvement as part of the larger world economy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-18/barack-obamas-economic-legacy-might-be-judged-well-by-history/8191220

Compared to the histronic palpitations markets have witnessed in between
Doddles' tweets sprouting "guts an' glory"  Barry is a star.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/09/us-economy-trump-growth-wages

Hopefully the smart heads behind Doddles will deny the usual solutions
quasi-dictators solve their home economic problems with - find a hate
and feed it with "fire and fury".
Again, can you say Kim Jong-un?

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 09, 2017, 10:19:37 am

Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman" was to go overseas and apologize that America was populated by Americans.  The more he (literally) bowed and scraped to foreign potentates and bad-mouthed the nation he represented, the more popular his "statesmanship" became with those who love to hate America. 
Obama is neither statesman nor orator,  but merely a talking head, giving spoonfed platitudes from a teleprompter to the proletariat.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 10:25:59 am

Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman" was to go overseas and apologize that America was populated by Americans.  The more he (literally) bowed and scraped to foreign potentates and bad-mouthed the nation he represented, the more popular his "statesmanship" became with those who love to hate America.
Bingo! And exactly why I said what I said. He was the one steering it into the iceberg.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 09, 2017, 10:57:47 am
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman"

He already has that reputation and the drastic difference between him and Trump makes him look even better.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 11:29:36 am
What did that do to further America Ace?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 03:40:21 pm
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman"

He already has that reputation and the drastic difference between him and Trump makes him look even better.

Ace
Hooray! We have two new replacements for iddee. Yes I know they aren't 'new' probably old old hands........but it's good to have replacements after the demise of iddee.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 09, 2017, 04:18:55 pm
No demise here. Just quit when the OP asked to stay on topic.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 09, 2017, 04:24:48 pm
What did that do to further America Ace?

Just a couple of little things:
He got the man responsible for attacking the Twin Towers
He got an agreement to curtail nuks in Iran
After being handed a financial disaster the size of the great depression He pulled us out into recovery when many said his policies wouldn't work
He made it better for those that lost their jobs and as a result lost their health insurance
He not only filled the necessary positions for a functioning government he hired people with intelligence and experience.
He pointed the US in the right direction on the topic of Climate change (oh yeah Irma is a hoax)
He didn't shoot any of his friends on a hunting trip
He didn't make war on a faults assumption of weapons of mass destruction.
He didn't spew out threats to N Korea which only makes matters worse
He didn't rig an election
He didn't collude with an enemy
He remembered what he said in public
And he certainly didn't tweet lies and spew nonsense constantly during his presidency
These little things are why the world leaders like him and they can't stand Trump
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 09, 2017, 05:19:09 pm
Hey, Great. Ace is back on topic. A whole list of lies, without letting even one tiny truth in.

Congrats, Ace.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 06:02:04 pm
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list, and likely 'cos he too is so blind
as to not see it.
A true "family man" Barry is adored by the missus an' sprogs, unlike Doddles
whose trophy wife clearly despises him - as would any woman "grabbed by the
p***y - and whose kids/sprogs recognise Dad as only the gravy boat to ride in.
Middle America rides with the rest of the developed world in respecting
family values, the root of growth in any nation. Doddles with his "before breakfast"
tweets says loud and clear his two bits is more important than family time at the
beginning of every day. His 'family' knows this, and know the 2%'rs would not hear
their chagrin, so "smile and collect the cash" is their reward for sufference of the "creep".

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 07:08:08 pm
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list, and likely 'cos he too is so blind
as to not see it.
A true "family man" Barry is adored by the missus an' sprogs, unlike Doddles
whose trophy wife clearly despises him - as would any woman "grabbed by the
p***y - and whose kids/sprogs recognise Dad as only the gravy boat to ride in.
Middle America rides with the rest of the developed world in respecting
family values, the root of growth in any nation. Doddles with his "before breakfast"
tweets says loud and clear his two bits is more important than family time at the
beginning of every day. His 'family' knows this, and know the 2%'rs would not hear
their chagrin, so "smile and collect the cash" is their reward for sufference of the "creep".

Bill
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 08:11:23 pm
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?

Irma and Harvey were the first major hurricanes to hit the United States in 12 years. I'm guessing all Obamas efforts on climate change didn't pay off. Or it's Trump's fault?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 10, 2017, 02:25:05 am
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?

Irma and Harvey were the first major hurricanes to hit the United States in 12 years. I'm guessing all Obamas efforts on climate change didn't pay off. Or it's Trump's fault?

I'll stand correction - with provenace - as the micro machinations were not followed, but...
was it not Congress who screwed Barry's CC ideals for America. Are still screwing any
positive change ?

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 08:29:02 am
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list,
Not blind Bill, it is just not profitable to discuss mental issues to those in denial.  He tweets what they want to hear.  Their eyes are already closed to reality.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 09:00:56 am
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?
One of the most difficult things for other countries to deal with is the transfer of leadership every 4 years in the US.  We want the world to believe we are trustworthy and will honor OUR commitments.  Then along comes a whack job that proves the exact opposite.  You of all people.  You don't trust our government but you want foreigners to?  It is completely reasonable that every other country is in a mad dog race to protect themselves any way they can from the country that can't keep its commitments along with making threats.  And now that a whack job can make his way into the White House any future agreements with anybody will be nothing more than paper with wasted ink.
I have a much broader question for you Psparr.  How would foreign affairs look today if Hillary was in the White House?  I bet we would still have friends.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 10, 2017, 10:47:14 am
Brian,
We have more real friends now than we did with "line in the sand" Hussein who's word was worthless as he was. Hillary's only friends are the ones that bought and own her.
Jim
Title: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 10, 2017, 11:08:19 am
Your right we would have many more "friends".
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us. When Obama set the red line in Syria and did nothing about it, do you think our allies were happy. Did he keep his commitment?

Having friends may make you lefties happy, but actually really does nothing for the security of our country.

I think Obama's toughest question from the media in eight years. Was why he wore mom jeans. While I don't like all of trumps tweets. He is going around the media. And actually taking a stance on things.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 05:39:49 pm
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us.
You are describing another mental illness.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 10, 2017, 07:29:33 pm
Your right we would have many more "friends".
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us?
(edit)

errrm...obviously you have never heard of Pine Gap?
G00gle the comms site in central Australia
You guys would be blind without our alliance, an alliance with
the "good guys" of the USA, no less ;-)

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 10, 2017, 08:25:37 pm
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us.
You are describing another mental illness.
Did Obama not get grief for wiretapping Merkel? This isn't mental illness, it's reality.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 09:12:03 pm
Spying on your neighbors, friends, relatives, bosses, subordinates and enemies is all human nature.  You are trying to be informed and get the upper hand.  Thinking that the whole world is out to get you.  That is classic mental illness.  I have very little knowledge when it come to human psych but that one I know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 07:42:56 pm
Ace ,
Is spying on your neighbor something you do?
And for all from other countries how did integration of slavery to general population work for a democracy.
Ya probably don't have a clue what happened after the US civil war in the south as far as reconstruction.
But i guess that's our problem.
Like y'all think the president we have now Trump.
Have you looked at the money that the us was to pour in the climate accord (crazy) .
But i guess that don't make any difference to people in the north east or west coast that make more money than they are worth. But i like many rural living people have a problem with that .  And a change is coming.  Im glad to see it .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 11, 2017, 09:49:17 pm
Ace ,
Is spying on your neighbor something you do?

I don't know how close you live to your neighbor but if a police car pulls into your neighbors driveway with the lights flashing what do you do?  Close the curtains.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 11:25:07 pm
My closest neighbor is 1/4 of a mile.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 11:31:22 pm
What ever business they do is not my business,  unless they make it so.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: beecanbee on September 13, 2017, 04:47:55 am
Brian,
We have more real friends now than we did with "line in the sand" Hussein who's word was worthless as he was. Hillary's only friends are the ones that bought and own her.
Jim

Fairly certain the US has friends  - not because of Trump, but in spite of Trump - and because they know that the US is simply suffering from temporary insanity.  (No need to thank me for this wisdom - it is common knowledge outside of the island that is Trumpland.)

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 06:54:27 am
Say hello to peter pan while you are outside Trumpland there, BCB.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 09:27:16 am
because they know that the US is simply suffering from temporary insanity.
I wish that were true.  If it is one thing that Trump has accomplished is that he brought everything out in the open.  The hatred that existed in this country still exist and a new winner is not going to make it go away.  His presidency has been a big eye opener for me.  Never did I think prejudice was so strong.
 Unfortunately because of the electoral college and where I live it doesn't matter if I vote because the state always goes democrat.  And likewise some states always go republican.  As far as I am concerned the will of the people will not be heard until the electoral college is eliminated.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 10:06:04 am
With 4 states having a total population of over 100 million people, and your NY being one of them, I bet you do want the electoral college gone. The four states than could rule the country and to H*ll with the other 46.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 10:34:23 am
Ace where is the hate? From where I sit, there's more coming from the left.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 01:39:21 pm
With 4 states having a total population of over 100 million people, and your NY being one of them, I bet you do want the electoral college gone. The four states than could rule the country and to H*ll with the other 46.
I hear this argument all the time but those states that have the large population also have the most electoral votes so how is it different?  Four states are still ruling the country.  It also shows up in the Congress too.  The solution is not the electoral college the solution is get rid of the two party system and no commercial media advertising for candidates.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 01:48:32 pm
Well apparently he 4 states didn't control the past election. Oh wait that one was the Russians.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 02:50:00 pm
The four didn't include either Mich. or Pa., so they didn't control the election.

With less than 65 million votes needed to win the election, the 4 may have enough to win if not for the electoral.
I'm not saying the electoral is right, but it's better than just using the populist votes.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 13, 2017, 03:34:58 pm
If the nation went to a straight popular vote, the president would get elected by the predominantly urban east and west coast. Rural areas would have no say in it. IMHO  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 08:56:08 pm
What I get a charge out of is all those people that are so concerned about their rights have no problem with the GOVERNMENT making choices for them based on voting for a president.  Yet not one of them trust the GOVERNMENT.
Our for fathers thought / knew the general population was uneducated.  That is why we have the electoral college.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
Ace, look at your many posts.

I can understand why they thought that.    :tongue:

Boy, did you ever step in that one.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 09:37:24 pm
Ace, look at your many posts.

I can understand why they thought that.    :tongue:

Boy, did you ever step in that one.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
:)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 14, 2017, 12:11:57 am
Big Lies, Truth or Dare

I?m from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, young life in Boston, Roxbury, Mission Hill,? for those who ?know? the locale.

It is generally understood that Boston is the most intellectual and liberal city in the country. It is also the most prejudicial and racist city in the country. Sports teams, school busing, red lining, "White Flight", and on and on. You have no idea,? unless your from Australia.

?Our N?s are different here?, was a common phrase when I was a kid,.  Then, Italians were ?not whites?. Now, Italians are not Latins. Now, liberals refer to ?mixed race? children as cute little mocha babies. And that?s OK??? Yeah! I?ve heard ?high yellow?, and all the other ?archaic? descriptions used for non whites.

In my limited experience, I?ve found these ?intellectually elite? liberals to be the exact reason for the racism criticism of Boston. Liberals are racists, though they scream bloody murder that all non-liberals are. Liberals don?t like black waitstaff. Liberals are hypocrites.

Ever heard of Julia Child, David Ives, Lawrence Tribe? Jill Stein? Cambridge? Kremlin on the Charles? ?Token Black?? Please click the link:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1989/10/6/race-and-politics-mingle-in-day/


The 99% Occupiers? Overwhelmingly white, well educated,? (read ?racist?). Antfa? The ?Military Arm? of the democrat party? Overwhelmingly white, well educated,? (read ?racist?).

Liberalism equates to racism. I?m sure there are exceptions though. Jesse Jackson (I voted for him in a primary, BEFORE I?d never vote for him for dog catcher.). Remember ?Hymietown?? Bill Clinton? The ?First Black President?? ?Hymentown??

For decades, I?ve been checking the ?Race Box ?Other?, and writing in HUMAN. Lot of grief over the years on that from all colours. I just a few days ago confirmed my ?Jury Duty?. My race was pre-filled,? ?HUMAN?. :wink:

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 14, 2017, 04:58:42 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 14, 2017, 09:00:32 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.
And they still do.  When has Utah, Wyoming or Nebraska ever determined an election?  Their votes are meaningless with an electoral college.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 14, 2017, 10:21:29 am
Man you gotta get over the fact that he won. And that all of us were "stupid enough" to vote for him.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 14, 2017, 10:33:15 am
Man you gotta get over the fact that he won. And that all of us were "stupid enough" to vote for him.
Actually the term is Smart enough.
Jim
Title: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 14, 2017, 11:40:16 am
I know. Just putting it in words the left understands. I mean after all our president is an orange turd. Covered in cheetos dust.

But it's the right that hates.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 19, 2017, 01:00:55 pm
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/

    I personally do not want any politician.. In Washington rewriting the Constitution..



                  BEE  HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 20, 2017, 11:22:42 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/

    I personally do not want any politician.. In Washington rewriting the Constitution..



                  BEE  HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:

    Looks like the politician are try to make a run around the constitution of the USA....  :angry:

  https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/popular-vote-vs-electoral-college


      BEE HAPPY  Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Eric Bosworth on September 21, 2017, 10:11:20 am
I have not read this entire thread so if somebody mentioned this I apologize. A few years ago I read the book Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History. I highly recommend it. It talks about lots of things like the eminent domain, the founders having slaves, social insecurity, the FED, and one chapter that I really liked was "We are winning the war on drugs." among other things. It is a really good read.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Steves Bees on September 23, 2017, 03:39:05 pm
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

Quote
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

Hello little john.
 Your attempt to show the Founding Fathers as hypocrites and Liars shows how little you understand men of their age. They said exactly what they meant. The sad truth is, at that time in America and GB, as well as most of the world, they did not consider Blacks as fully Human, indeed, they saw them as not much more than a race of apelike humans that were capable of speech. As horrendous as we see this view today, it was the popular view at the time. Ever hear of the "3/5's rule? It is clearly written in the Constitution.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on September 23, 2017, 04:04:22 pm
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Hello little john.
 Your attempt to show the Founding Fathers as hypocrites and Liars shows how little you understand men of their age. They said exactly what they meant. The sad truth is, at that time in America and GB, as well as most of the world, they did not consider Blacks as fully Human, indeed, they saw them as not much more than a race of apelike humans that were capable of speech. As horrendous as we see this view today, it was the popular view at the time. Ever hear of the "3/5's rule? It is clearly written in the Constitution.

I get your point about the times.  We need to look at history understanding the times.  I can't imagine not being able to vote, open a bank account, etc. but those were the times all over the world....Truth be told, when I look at the way many women vote....I wonder if it was such a good idea   :cheesy:

Whether or not they saw blacks as fully human depends on the person I'm sure.  The 3/5th compromise was not really about the value of a black person.  The south was seeking more representation in Congress for a number of reasons.  They wanted to count their slaves as people for the purpose of representation, but as property for everything else.  There was a great deal of going back and forth and it included suggestions for things like counting cows, etc.  In the meantime, someone was doing the math.  Giving the south 3/5th for slaves did give them more reps, but not enough to have complete power in congress giving them a 1:1 vote would have. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 03, 2017, 07:31:28 pm
Bowe Bergdahl did nothing to warrant any jail time.

The judge was a hero for handing down that verdict.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on November 03, 2017, 07:44:32 pm
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Bowe Bergdahl did nothing to warrant any jail time.

I started a separate thread for this.  If you want to move it there, I'd be happy to take it on.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on November 03, 2017, 09:27:27 pm
Somebody woke up Kathy!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on November 03, 2017, 09:41:44 pm
Caught me between naps
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 03, 2017, 05:29:01 pm
You can always tell a Harvard person,

... You just can't tell them very much.

HARVARD???? Isn't this where many of our politicians are educated???


Please click the link:

http://www.newsweek.com/sex-anal-sex-harvard-sex-ed-sexual-health-butt-706637

Sal
ps: Sorry Kathy I stepped on your Bergdahl
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on December 03, 2017, 06:54:56 pm
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ps: Sorry Kathy I stepped on your Bergdahl

NP.  He needed stepping on   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 09, 2018, 09:22:12 am
I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.

Then, maybe my nanna would love me.


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 09, 2018, 06:07:21 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids. Grand and great grand were screwed during the last 8 years. If he does damage to any, it will be to G,G, Gkids, while trying to save the G and G Grand that the libs have already destroyed.
"Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does."

What goes around comes around!
Brilliant thread, things have livened up at last! :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on February 10, 2018, 10:21:52 pm
It is a thread about which liar you support and I can't stand any of them but I have to live with all of them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 10, 2018, 10:23:55 pm
Be careful Ace. You're making sense. You'll ruin your reputation.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 18, 2018, 08:52:23 am
Hi Folks,

The FBI did everything they could. They used all means available.

The Boston Bombers! Tsarnaev!

The Orlando shooter! Mateen!

The school shooter! Cruz!

Yet they continue to chase Boris and Natasha.

Famous But Incompetent

Really????

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: minz on February 18, 2018, 09:39:57 pm
It is a thread about which liar you support and I can't stand any of them but I have to live with all of them.
yes, nothing changed except twitter makes news now?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 10, 2018, 04:24:13 pm
This is a whopper:

Early 60's. PEI, Canada. My cousin and I (both cis-gender males), not quite ten years old, talking about,...DUN,...DUN,... DUN,... sex.

Up until then we were both chased from the barnyard when a cow or a sow was brought to be serviced. Incidental acts of accidental fornication were assumed to have gone un-noticed by the two of us.

 H.B. was so much more sophisticated than me. His mother was a nurse. Boys have a peenus. Girls have a bageeno. It was just that complicated.

Flash forward to 2018. The Boston Marathon:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/boston-marathons-trans-women-compete-women-54320495

Boys will be boys, and boys will be girls. Ain't this a hoot?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 25, 2018, 08:12:05 pm
Hi Folks,

7:09 PM EST.

I just read a couple of "European" news sources that claim "caravan members storm border...They were repelled by tear gas used by US border officers."

No word of this from the good ole US of A MSM.

Am I supposed to believe those Lying Europeans? My MSN could not be so un-knowledgeable, could they? How could they ignore the ignominy,... the brutality of those charged with protecting our border?

Sal.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on November 25, 2018, 08:41:38 pm
Maybe you should look a little harder.

https://www.foxnews.com/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-agents-fire-tear-gas-as-some-migrants-try-to-breach-fence/ar-BBQ4onJ?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on November 27, 2018, 04:48:16 pm
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Am I supposed to believe those Lying Europeans? My MSN could not be so un-knowledgeable, could they? How could they ignore the ignominy,... the brutality of those charged with protecting our border?

You are correct that most of the networks ignored this as it was happening.  The pictures of rabid illegals storming the border and throwing things at BP does not fit the meme of the peaceful immigrant wanting a better life.  + they knew that Obamas BP had done the same.  They also neglected to report much on that.

You are given what feeds the agenda.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 28, 2018, 02:07:59 pm
I can almost guarantee that if a thousand disgruntled Norte Americanos formed a caravan aiming to resettle in Argentina and started walking from the Mexican-US border headed south without going through all the niceties of visas and permits, very few, if any, would get even halfway to the Argentine heartland (alive).  Are borders created for a reason?  Are they there to delineate sovereign territory, or are they merely there as suggestions of something?

Modified to indicate I think they'd be imprisoned or killed.  Some of those people don't welcome strangers that break their laws.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on November 28, 2018, 06:18:35 pm
You would probably end up in a Mexican jail one the first day.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 28, 2018, 06:27:36 pm
Can you say "Bubba" in Spanish?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on November 29, 2018, 09:52:58 am
Are borders created for a reason?  Are they there to delineate sovereign territory, or are they merely there as suggestions of something?

They are there because we invaded the land and drew lines on a map and made it ours.  In other words lethal force.  That is how all boarders are created and changed.
Dallas, why are they coming?
The land that they come from offers them pretty much slavery or death and the instant they get here they get unlimited food, clothing, shelter and protection.  Welfare!  As hard nosed as the orange turd tries to be he is providing instant welfare from day one.
How would you choose?  What is the likelihood that a caravan of US citizens would go there?

I personally think if we did a strip search and finger printed everyone that wanted to come try to make a go of it be allowed to try.  The problem would not exist as long as they were banned from ever receiving welfare of any kind.  The people who supported their journey would have to continue to support them or they would parish.  The conditions that they left would not be much different here with out support.  The idea that they walked here is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on November 29, 2018, 11:50:38 am
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As hard nosed as the orange turd tries to be he is providing instant welfare from day one.

Not much he can do about it.  He did not make the laws that cover this.  Congress and the courts have done this.
Quote
They are there because we invaded the land and drew lines on a map and made it ours.  In other words lethal force.  That is how all boarders are created and changed.

If we gave them the southern states, how do you think those areas would change?  Would they bring the new countries up, or would the countries take them down?
At this point I'd be ok with giving them CA   :cheesy:


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 08, 2018, 05:34:35 pm
My new property  be moving there after 1st of the year(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/99ab6f34364ba8baf14dddf51dab6eb8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/bbf49480e4d442acd8694c560b00ea79.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/54c03395bcad1f11048100a21fe5b530.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/f562327516e01c2867cbb683683d894f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/d315c0c313c684436bf72a02c498e0b7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/ec35d6491dccad3463cae1e9100a18f1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2018, 09:01:27 am
YO! Barry!

We couldn't be happier for you.

We always said, That Barry! Now there's a guy that is going to go places. He's going to BE somebody.

Listen pal. If you should ever need a few bucks, you know who to call.

You know I'll be there. You can count on me.

Your friend,

Sal
We're rooting for ya!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 09:50:48 am
Big lies?        Thank you I think. Either way it's going to be a ton of work a lot of Sweat Equity and a little bit of bleeding blood lubricates all work LOL I'm excited about the prospects
YO! Barry!

We couldn't be happier for you.

We always said, That Barry! Now there's a guy that is going to go places. He's going to BE somebody.

Listen pal. If you should ever need a few bucks, you know who to call.

You know I'll be there. You can count on me.

Your friend,

Sal
We're rooting for ya!


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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2018, 09:12:43 pm
OMG! BARRY!

I thought what you posted was a Big Lie! This is a thread for BIG LIES!!!

I'm so sorry. I posted a bunch of obvious lies cause I thought what you posted was a lie!

That's too funny.

The following is NOT a lie. I wish you good fortune with your new property. It looks chock full of deciduous and pine,... USA?? Also, what's that little tree that looks like you planted it? Coffee?? Cacao??

Oh! About that loan I mentioned. I'm a bit short myself right now. Maybe next time.

That was fun. I hope you got a kick out of it.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on December 09, 2018, 10:03:36 pm
Barry,
When I first read your post I thought you were for real about the property and I was going to move it to a new thread for you. While I was doing that and had problems copying the pictures, I then saw the title. Then I thought you meant it as a Big Lie and left it alone.
Kind of ironic.  :grin:
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 10:40:57 pm
Barry,
When I first read your post I thought you were for real about the property and I was going to move it to a new thread for you. While I was doing that and had problems copying the pictures, I then saw the title. Then I thought you meant it as a Big Lie and left it alone.
Kind of ironic.  :grin:
Jim
I thought I was posting it in everything else I guess in a roundabout way I did LOL

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 10:41:43 pm
That's a little place called Venus Florida just a little north of Fort Myers
OMG! BARRY!

I thought what you posted was a Big Lie! This is a thread for BIG LIES!!!

I'm so sorry. I posted a bunch of obvious lies cause I thought what you posted was a lie!

That's too funny.

The following is NOT a lie. I wish you good fortune with your new property. It looks chock full of deciduous and pine,... USA?? Also, what's that little tree that looks like you planted it? Coffee?? Cacao??

Oh! About that loan I mentioned. I'm a bit short myself right now. Maybe next time.

That was fun. I hope you got a kick out of it.

Sal


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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 26, 2018, 09:17:01 pm
Hi Folks,

Lie du jour:

The Federal Reserve is ABSOLUTELY ON THE LEVEL!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 30, 2018, 05:17:09 pm
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on December 30, 2018, 07:30:09 pm
At first I thought this should bee in the Humor Is A Funny Thing, then I realized it was all true and not really funny, just a bunch of lies,  so I left it in The Coffee House.  :cheesy:
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 11, 2019, 04:08:31 pm
Hi Folks,

Molson Export! Breakfast of Champions!

It may sound unbelievable, but Canada?s revised laws on impaired driving could see police demand breath samples from people in bars, restaurants, or even at home. And if you say no, you could be arrested, face a criminal record, ordered to pay a fine, and subjected to a driving suspension.

You could be in violation of the impaired driving laws even two hours after you?ve been driving. Now, the onus is on drivers to prove they weren?t impaired when they were on the road.

DRINK CANADA DRY!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on January 14, 2019, 05:09:42 pm
This is not believable.  You are going to drive home from work and when you get home start popping brews then 2 hours later they are going to raid your home and arrest you for driving under the influence?  Not likely.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 16, 2019, 11:58:33 pm
Hi Folks,

Socialist firebrand Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would give Trump a close race for president says poll even though she's too young to run until 2028

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would give President Donald Trump a run for his money if she were old enough to run for president in 2020

A new Rasmussen Reports poll found 43 percent would pick Trump while 40 percent would vote for Ocasio-Cortez in a hypothetical matchup
And 17 percent are undecided 

Ocasio-Cortez is is only 29 however so can't run for the White House until 2028


YIKES!!!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 20, 2019, 10:14:50 pm
Hi Folks.

I got up this morning, made a coffee, feeding the dog, ... and I heard about those blankety blank white Catholics, and that poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person. Poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person.

Please watch this to see how bad those white Catholics were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJU1L-1VrE

Where in Hell are we going?
Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on January 20, 2019, 10:27:19 pm
the boys should be commended for not getting into it with either group.  One was nasty and the other got in their faces banging drums and chanting.  I might have taken a swing at one or the other...or both.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 21, 2019, 04:37:11 am
Hi Folks.

I got up this morning, made a coffee, feeding the dog, ... and I heard about those blankety blank white Catholics, and that poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person. Poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person.

Please watch this to see how bad those white Catholics were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJU1L-1VrE

Where in Hell are we going?
Sal


1st world problems. When people have everything they need, and most of what they want, it's hard to sell them something. So you sell drama where it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: SiWolKe on January 21, 2019, 05:58:50 am
Without a camera filming them they probably would not have done this.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 21, 2019, 09:07:27 pm
Hum
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 21, 2019, 09:46:27 pm
The camera can "see" one thing, but the editor can make it "see" whatever he/she wants.  There are questions about what really happened.  Whoever released the video that caused such a stir may be in training to work for CNN.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 22, 2019, 12:17:25 am
The camera can "see" one thing, but the editor can make it "see" whatever he/she wants.  There are questions about what really happened.  Whoever released the video that caused such a stir may be in training to work for CNN.

Another thing to keep in mind Dallas, these two demonstrating groups were not some upset, spur of the moment, (lets go do some demonstrating type folks), from every indication, sitting here watching the video, they seemed to be trained perhaps possibly even professional  demonstrators. These kids were here as a school group, most likely, a group that large, visiting their nations capital. They wasn't bothering anyone, provoking anyone, enticing anyone. They were looking on in wonder at the demonstrations, they had probably never seen such a sight as was happening before their very eyes! They didn't say a word until the hateful, name calling, and I as I don't know if they were professional demonstrators, tried to suck them in, vacuum them into their hate trap by verbally abusing these children. The hateful seemed to do all they could do to provoke this diverse group of children The white kids the black kids as well, but it didn't matter to the hate-filled what color the children were, they appeared to be  using each of the childrens color, and religion  as a tool to abuse, these sweet Catholic kids!  The kids took it as fun and games, were smiling, laughing, in pure amazement and innocents, and will one day realize that they were under attack from a wicked evil and seemed to be well organized, hateful group of non loving, child abusers, wishing to spread misery and hate before their very steps! Un-relentlessly picking on innocent these Catholic kids. These kids did not come to demonstrate, or be a part of a demonstration, but simply visit their Nations Capitol.  But as Kathy suggested , didn't this large group sweet children handle it well?  Especially when these hating ugly name calling demonstrators approached them, beating war drums, making space through these sight seeking kids, as the two hate filled groups were seemingly hoping, wishing, wanting, yearning to provoke, these kids to do something that they could use to blame hate on the innocent kids!    Luke Ch 17 vs 1 Then said he unto the disciples it is impossible but that offenses will come but woe unto him, through whom they come.  2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one of these little ones.   These poor sweet catholic kids.    Mathew Ch 16: 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered him and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.  17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.  !9  And I say also unto thee. That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.   Gods Holy Word
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 22, 2019, 01:17:34 am
Very well said - both Dallas and Ben (phillip). I loved the Scripture.

Also note: I have the yearbook to prove that I attended High School on an Indian Reservation. The "individual" with the drum did not act like, or speak like, any "Tribal Elder" that I've ever known (Apache, Navaho, Havasu, Flathead, Sioux, Blackfoot, Arapahoe, etc). And I don't think his type would be tolerated in, nor does he represent, any Tribe I've been in contact with. He sounded much more like a modern day CNN Hack - IMNSHO.

1st world problems. It must have been a slow news day for CNN. But maybe that's normal reporting for them - I don't know because I don't watch them. People are in need of drama, and CNN is supplying it.

You can bet that CNN has 100's of 1,000's of hrs of video from "The Mall" - and this is what they choose to air ... ... ... what else can be said about them?.?.

Side note: those young people handled themselves very well.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: SiWolKe on January 22, 2019, 02:59:17 am
There was an interview with the young man in our press and some justifications and explanations.
Seems like the clips were taken out of the context like always.

Still, I don?t like cameras involved in such moments. It?s too easy to create fake moments and people are acting differently, no matter which side they are on.

Why not inviting talks? Is conversation impossible today with the use of echo chamber media? From eye to eye many civilised talks are possible if the adults start them
And where is the teacher trying to interfere and explain the situation?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 22, 2019, 03:48:38 am
There was an interview with the young man in our press and some justifications and explanations.
Seems like the clips were taken out of the context like always ...
welcome to the news media world-wide today. I wish it wasn't so - but it is.

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... Still, I don?t like cameras involved in such moments. It?s too easy to create fake moments and people are acting differently, no matter which side they are on. ...


Thats our National Mall (if I have the name correct) - the cameras are ALWAYS there 24/7/365. You are shown (around the world) what they want you to see. Nothing else. Do they show an aging Black Vet helping an aging jewish woman in her wheelchair over the curb? ... or do they show a Jewish woman helping  an aging Black man in his wheelchair over the curb? ... happens every day there - BUT they refuse to show it. ... that's the way things are today in America - ... ... ... and the world.

... And where is the teacher trying to interfere and explain the situation? ...
... the teachers are there - they are not shown on purpose, because it doesn't fit CNN's objective. I don't care much for the catholic church. .... but both of my children went to catholic schools, and both went on this (mandatory - paid for by us parents at our expense) tour. The teachers and the chaperones were there. The rules for the trip were covered with both the young people, the chaperones, the teachers, and the Church - several times in the months ahead of the trip. I'm thankful to see that the young people in that video, and my own children (some time ago) handled themselves professionally in that circumstance.

Enough said. The video is a propoganda piece. Welcome to it - and WAKE UP.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 22, 2019, 07:35:15 am
This is at the Lincoln Memoral. As the camera person scrolls back and forth you can see the Memoral building and as he rotated the camera in the opposite direction you can see the Washington monument. These protesters are clearly, CLEARLY, harassing tourist. These kids didn't know how to answer these raceist child abusers. So what did they do? They turned the situation in to a prep rally clearly, as one of the boys,  led them in a school cheer and every kid, white and black were in sync. Just as they would be at a prep rally before a ball game.  Innocent, Sweet kids, again FAKE NEWS!! So verdict, BIG LIE!!

Oh yes, one more thing. The Indian man with the Vietnam hat was not shown again once he reveled he was a historian. Hum, And when the on looking tourist were gathered, The demonic haters, claiming  to be "good guys" suddenly stopped spewing hate toward the (Indians) and directed it toward the children, trying to then, entice the "Indians" to join them! After the haters had clearly  antagonizing, (causing them to become hostile). The Vietnam Memoral is just yards  from the Lincoln Memoral and within easy walking distance. Vietnam vets can often be seen here. God Bless them !! It's a wonder that the hostil protesters didn't or don't harass Vetrans for wearing their Vietnam hats accusing them of being haters also. Maybe on a given day they do? I don't know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 12:03:33 am
Very well said - both Dallas and Ben (phillip). I loved the Scripture.

Also note: I have the yearbook to prove that I attended High School on an Indian Reservation. The "individual" with the drum did not act like, or speak like, any "Tribal Elder" that I've ever known (Apache, Navaho, Havasu, Flathead, Sioux, Blackfoot, Arapahoe, etc). And I don't think his type would be tolerated in, nor does he represent, any Tribe I've been in contact with. He sounded much more like a modern day CNN Hack - IMNSHO.

1st world problems. It must have been a slow news day for CNN. But maybe that's normal reporting for them - I don't know because I don't watch them. People are in need of drama, and CNN is supplying it.

You can bet that CNN has 100's of 1,000's of hrs of video from "The Mall" - and this is what they choose to air ... ... ... what else can be said about them?.?.

Side note: those young people handled themselves very well.

Thanks Alan for your input on this, I would suppose with your background, you would pretty well have a good opinion on this!!   I also think that it is awesome that you are here!!
God Bless you Sir, Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 01:02:58 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 01:23:12 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!

Sal


Would evil or wicked or both or perhaps some other words be useful to describe these hateful (stars?)   And please do not use the word sick, to politically correct for the above stated by Sal.  Sal are you sure about this, this sounds like a big lie, no offense intended. Can you back this up?  Dallas, you are the attorney, what can be done about this inciting a Nation to do violence against a minor? Maybe its time for you to come out of retirement and take the case. Add a few more million to your retirement fund! Or donate to charity. I would not recommend the Clinton Foundation for obvious reasons!! :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 07:07:37 am
Hi Folks,

This was not presented as a lie. My oversight. It's apparently true, from many sources.

https://dc-chronicle.com/2019/01/21/snl-writer-offers-fellatio-anyone-punching-covington-minor-face/

Perhaps I should have written: SNL writer DID NOT offer.... That would have been the lie, in line with the thread.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on January 24, 2019, 10:01:31 am
The media have now started calling Phillips a "Vietnam era vet".  He was a US Marine and when the US Marines pulled out of Vietnam he would have been 16...

I've watched several videos of the occurrence (there are many out there on youtube shot by different people) and none of what Phillips describes later to reporters happened.  No chanting "build the wall" by the kids.  No surrounding him or confronting him.  Plenty of room for him to just turn right and walk up the steps to the Lincoln Memorial, which he said he was going to when he says the kids blocked him.  Also Phillips was involved previously in a altercation with a fraternity in Michigan where he lives and he accused them of being disrespectful and threatening... 
https://t.co/2nSJIETFiy

Nathan Phillips' cohort who was yelling at the kids to go back to Europe etc. says right before the Indians all leave "I got em, man, I got em" and all the Indians turn to leave...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 24, 2019, 10:31:26 am
How about this??

The Native American Activist who approached a group of Catholic School students and loudly banged his drum has been outed as a man with a violent criminal record. He also escaped from jail as a teenager.

Phillips has a radical past and has been known to go overboard in his protesting. The night before the incident with the Catholic students, he caused a scene at a Catholic church in D.C.


https://100percentfedup.com/just-in-native-american-who-taunted-covington-kids-has-violent-criminal-record-escaped-from-jail/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 10:34:43 am
The media have now started calling Phillips a "Vietnam era vet".  He was a US Marine and when the US Marines pulled out of Vietnam he would have been 16...

I've watched several videos of the occurrence (there are many out there on youtube shot by different people) and none of what Phillips describes later to reporters happened.  No chanting "build the wall" by the kids.  No surrounding him or confronting him.  Plenty of room for him to just turn right and walk up the steps to the Lincoln Memorial, which he said he was going to when he says the kids blocked him.  Also Phillips was involved previously in a altercation with a fraternity in Michigan where he lives and he accused them of being disrespectful and threatening... 
https://t.co/2nSJIETFiy

Nathan Phillips' cohort who was yelling at the kids to go back to Europe etc. says right before the Indians all leave "I got em, man, I got em" and all the Indians turn to leave...

Thank you Mr Bush, bus loads of kids are coming and going all through the day
Here .  This just happened to be the ones singled out for this  opportunist glory seeker. One source told yesterday, that this is the fourth time Phillips has made his way to the spotlight with questionable situations.
Hum
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 11:43:36 pm
Hi Folks,

There are two ways of being fooled.

One is to believe what is not true.

The other is to refuse to accept what is true.

Quote by a guy named Soren Kierkegaard.

Sal

Oh. The above quote is true.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 29, 2019, 10:18:44 pm
Hi Folks,

More lies.

Former NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw comments that Hispanics "should work harder at assimilation".

The remarks -- which Brokaw has since tried to walk back -- ignited a firestorm of criticism.

"I also happen to believe that the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation. ... They ought not to be just codified in their communities," Brokaw said in a TV roundtable Sunday, "but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English, and that they feel comfortable in the communities."


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 30, 2019, 12:19:13 am
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jvalentour on January 30, 2019, 12:25:46 am
He did.
Why did you ask?
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black don't you know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 30, 2019, 07:24:32 pm
Hi Folks,

The Presidents Aunty Zeituni is in the USA illegally,... an illegal alien,  collecting welfare and living in public housing in Boston! Very fasionably dressed, however.

Please click the link for video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nOwmxQmLzQ

Sal.
I was reminded about this earlier today.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on January 30, 2019, 07:58:14 pm
Quote
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?

Yup.  Learn English and assimilate.  He was bashed for it.  He's not wrong. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 30, 2019, 10:54:46 pm
Quote
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?

Yup.  Learn English and assimilate.  He was bashed for it.  He's not wrong.

I just thought old Tom had spent so much time in the MSM that he was totally brainwashed into spouting the leftist line of appeasing the folks who want to bring Mexico across the river. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 02, 2019, 10:09:02 am
Hi Folks,

I was just reading "comments" in an article about that Chicago attack. I sometimes find the comments/discussions  more informative than the stories. This was one comment:

I've been in Chicago for a few months now. actually a mile from roughly where the incident took place. There is nobody running around yelling this is maga country. Let me tell you that the tiny few Republicans i know here keep it very quietly because we'll either be harassed or get screamed for being racist xenophobic bigots. My actual home is in San Francisco but Chicago actually feels just as leftist as SF feels.

You can be a leftist here and freely express your opinions and political views without fear of being harmed. You cannot be open about being on the right. You're treated like a Nazi. And basically anyone i meet that refuses to talk politics, i know they're right leaning or center right leaning. We keep our mouths shut here (and in SF) unless you are in the mood for having a conversation that always leads to screaming and then most likely throwing down. It's really sad. And the funny thing is the people I meet who are right leaning are easier to speak to, and act more sane. And I'm not talking about non-leftist progresive liberals (because you don't find them anymore), im talking about the most intolerant and judgmental people I've ever met in my life, progressive 'new socialist' leftists.

I do not believe this mans story. I believe he was jumped/robbed/beat up... but i have no doubt he added the rest to make people leftists angry to show people how bad Trump's America is. If there were mobs of MAGA white kids running around here, they'd be beat and shot in a matter of seconds. This story is big bs

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on February 02, 2019, 11:58:35 am
Salvo, I had the same thought.  Even when I was there years ago it was not a place people would have worn anything that labeled them republican or conservative.  There were and still are, places white people just don't go.

I don't know this neighborhood, but I'll be interested to see how this plays out. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 03, 2019, 10:27:53 am
Hi Folks,

Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life,... shouldn't you choose life when it's pretty reasonable?

Please click the link. Watch as much as you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFDkfv8hEQ

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 04, 2019, 11:51:34 pm
Hi Folks,

This is NOT FUNNY! Do not even watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 05, 2019, 05:23:55 am
OK. I didn't.  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on February 05, 2019, 11:07:21 am
Me neither. 🙃
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 05, 2019, 09:24:15 pm
Hi Folks,

This new lie just in.

The Post obtained Warren?s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an ?American Indian.?

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.4aa5f1c7128a

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on February 05, 2019, 09:32:32 pm
Which kinda puts the lie to this whole white privilege thing.  If it was such an advantage to be white there would not be so many people trying to be something else!   :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 05, 2019, 09:49:22 pm
Gee, I went to law school with some native Americans who were blond and had blue eyes and names like Smith, and I figured I had at least as much Indian blood as they did, but they were enrolled members of a tribe, so what the heck.  Is this supposed to be like stolen valor or something?  I get it that she's misrepresenting herself as an American Indian, but just why is that supposed to give her some kind of advantage?  If not, why would she do it?  It's a matter of integrity.  Btw, why didn't she put herself down as African American?  That would have gotten her a lot more votes, maybe.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 09, 2019, 09:18:39 pm
Hi Folks,

FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/us/illinois-social-media-gun-law-trnd/index.html


Careful what you post. They want to know what you got, where you are and how you think!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 10, 2019, 09:18:41 pm
Hi Folks,

Grammies are on!

Just my opinion. We could get a twofer.

Michelle IS RUNNING for President!!!!!

Gonna be a lot of disappointed dem wannabees out there.

I'm changing the channel.

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 16, 2019, 11:34:22 am
BUT JUDGE!

The voices in my head told me to do it!


Please click the link:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-02-06-mit-scientists-confirm-technology-to-beam-voices-into-your-head.html?fbclid=IwAR08yQoFGsS7GuW1vP_Ee9IW_ptEHspe1fDiotz5FTbv1zX2MtMex1oxqx0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 16, 2019, 07:09:25 pm
BUT JUDGE!

The voices in my head told me to do it!


Please click the link:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-02-06-mit-scientists-confirm-technology-to-beam-voices-into-your-head.html?fbclid=IwAR08yQoFGsS7GuW1vP_Ee9IW_ptEHspe1fDiotz5FTbv1zX2MtMex1oxqx0

Sal

Looks like they have already got you sal! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on February 16, 2019, 07:52:07 pm
Gee, I went to law school with some native Americans who were blond and had blue eyes and names like Smith, and I figured I had at least as much Indian blood as they did, but they were enrolled members of a tribe, so what the heck.  Is this supposed to be like stolen valor or something?  I get it that she's misrepresenting herself as an American Indian, but just why is that supposed to give her some kind of advantage?  If not, why would she do it?  It's a matter of integrity.  Btw, why didn't she put herself down as African American?  That would have gotten her a lot more votes, maybe.
Apparently you are what you claim you are.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/09/dna-test-race-lawsuit/570250/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on February 16, 2019, 09:47:38 pm
I like that article, Acebird. Really shows what claptrap racial identification is. :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 17, 2019, 11:52:51 am
Hi Folks,

This NEWS just in,..... from January 29, 2019:

The FBI has taken over the investigation amid reports that Smollett received a threatening letter sometime before the attack, according to ABC News.

Police reported that two unknown men began ?yelling out racial and homophobic slurs? before physically attacking the actor. During the attack, the two men ?poured an unknown chemical substance? on him and one of the attackers wrapped a rope around his neck. 

TMZ, citing unnamed sources ?directly connected to Jussie,? reported that the men yelled, ?Aren?t you that faggot ?Empire? bleep?? The outlet also reported that the unknown chemical substance was bleach and that, after the attack, the men told Smollett, ?This is MAGA country,? referring to President Donald Trump?s slogan ?Make America Great Again.?

?Given the severity of the allegations, we are taking this investigation very seriously and treating it as a possible hate crime,? Chicago police told HuffPost Tuesday morning.


OMG! Where is society going?

Never mind. We have met the enemy,.... and he is us.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 17, 2019, 02:46:03 pm
Hi Folks,

This NEWS just in,..... from January 29, 2019:

The FBI has taken over the investigation amid reports that Smollett received a threatening letter sometime before the attack, according to ABC News.

Police reported that two unknown men began ?yelling out racial and homophobic slurs? before physically attacking the actor. During the attack, the two men ?poured an unknown chemical substance? on him and one of the attackers wrapped a rope around his neck. 

TMZ, citing unnamed sources ?directly connected to Jussie,? reported that the men yelled, ?Aren?t you that faggot ?Empire? bleep?? The outlet also reported that the unknown chemical substance was bleach and that, after the attack, the men told Smollett, ?This is MAGA country,? referring to President Donald Trump?s slogan ?Make America Great Again.?

?Given the severity of the allegations, we are taking this investigation very seriously and treating it as a possible hate crime,? Chicago police told HuffPost Tuesday morning.


OMG! Where is society going?

Never mind. We have met the enemy,.... and he is us.

Sal


Sal, this is not good.  I don't know where it is going, needs to go to GITMO perhaps?  Huge yes. Awful yes. And as bad as it is, lying, deceiving, our civilian public, purposely to stir up hate, any hate, racial hate, toward the right, and using lies and deceit to do, and on the extreme measures used to do it,  shows the level of desperation that the far left has reached.  As bad as this is, this is small potatoes compared to the lies and fabrications which were made on then Presidential Hopeful, Donlald Trump. Pee pee gate. To go as far as to make up a fake report using EX British spies to do the fabricating. and the wild imagination of ugliness, lies, and deceit without limit.  Lets not forget the Supreme Court hopeful, just look at the lies made up on him. On and on it goes! No morals means no limits on these people. And poor misguided Seth Rich.  Are we looking into the face of political terrorist, people who use unlawful Violence and hate against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims? GITMO PERHAPS?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on February 17, 2019, 03:25:33 pm
Ex British spy with Russia ties.  So far the only collusion we know of is between the DNC and Russia by way of the Orrs, Fusion GPS, Steele, and Russia. 

"Full Measure" was interesting today.  It covered some of what I have been on about with the agencies under the Justice Dept and the out of bounds things they have been doing.  It all predates Trump and if it is not stopped will postdate him as well.  We gave them to much power after 9/11. They have abused it.  Congress has not done its oversight job. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 18, 2019, 02:59:10 pm
Hi Folks,

I have a friend, soooo progressive, who, before the 2016 election, told me Bernie didn't go far enough left. She tells me how bad one party is. I tell her both parties are bad. Lately we have been keeping it really light. She does not want to alienate me and doesn't want me to say: You're too smart to really believe this ca-ca do-do, aren't you?

She told me about an alt-right news source, Brietbart. I had no knowledge of it before she told me.

It's been posted here that Fox News is conservative. It's not the only one.

I scan European news outlets, It was interesting that Daily Mail UK, Al Jazeera and others had breaking US news as much as 48 hours before I saw anything State-side. But, even those European sites are becoming infected now.

Anyway, here are two US based news outlets that I frequent:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/02/18/cbss-lara-logan-on-media-bias-unless-you-seek-out-breitbart-you-wont-see-the-other-side/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/43597/limbaugh-russia-probe-silent-coup-perpetrated-joseph-curl

https://voiceofeurope.com/

Alt-Right???? Nah! Just not alt-left.

Careful for the lies!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 18, 2019, 04:59:50 pm
You might also want to try   https://100percentfedup.com
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on February 18, 2019, 07:02:33 pm
I liked Breitbart a lot more when Andrew was alive and running it, but they do cover some good stuff still.  Dailywire is good.  You are correct.  They are not Alt-Right, whatever that is.  They are certainly more conservative.

A lot of people don't know that Fox News has far more liberals on it than the MSN has conservatives.  You are more apt to get all sides of a story from them than from a place like CNN.  There's a reason they are watched as much as they are.  Can't be all conservatives watching FOX.  there are not that many in the country to account for their ratings.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 18, 2019, 09:13:24 pm
How about 23 big lies?

https://100percentfedup.com/stunning-23-hate-crimes-blamed-on-trump-since-his-inaugurationevery-incident-turned-out-to-be-a-hoax/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 20, 2019, 01:09:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Justice is blind.

Equal justice under the law.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And, in the meantime, General Flynn has been bankrupted and Paul Manafort sits in jail in solitary confinement. An old man, Roger Stone is getting hammered cause he's a chatty-Cathy. Presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Ferguson, and on, and on. I want that Small guy to go to jail if he's guilty. I'll be terribly disappointed if he's guilty and this gets swept under the rug.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Let's see where Justice really lives!

Sal

 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 21, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Please be careful of your internet searches and chatter:

Hasson's internet history included searches such as: 'Where in D.C. do Congress live?' and 'Best place in D.C. to see Congress people.'

I've typed in similar phrases HUNDREDS of times over the years. Ever seen Lizzie Warren's house? Recently I searched for Pelosi's house. I got Doug Engmann's house. They never give you the real addresses.

NO-ONE CONTROLS THE INTERNET, they say! Maybe not for me and you, but for THEM....

I've said it on a number of forums: How do we communicate when the canary hits the fan?

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 23, 2019, 09:53:13 am
Hi Folks,

BIG POLL HERE!

How many here think Jussie Smollett will actually commit suicide?

How many here think Jussie Smollett will be Arkancided to protect his political co-conspirators?

(You can answer next week.)

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 23, 2019, 03:34:45 pm
I think he will disappear for 6 months and then get a new role before his money runs out. He's a Dem. They won't make him pay. A queer, black democrat means he can never do no wrong in their eyes.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 02:21:37 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!


Would evil or wicked or both or perhaps some other words be useful to describe these hateful (stars?)   And please do not use the word sick, to politically correct for the above stated by Sal.  Sal are you sure about this, this sounds like a big lie, no offense intended. Can you back this up?  Dallas, you are the attorney, what can be done about this inciting a Nation to do violence against a minor? Maybe its time for you to come out of retirement and take the case. Add a few more million to your retirement fund! Or donate to charity. I would not recommend the Clinton Foundation for obvious reasons!! :wink:

https://youtu.be/PUPN90RExU8

See Dallas! I wish you would have taken my advice and took the case! 😁😁
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 24, 2019, 02:38:44 pm
Thanks for the offer, but right now i'm fighting cancer and chemo (I wonder which of the two is worse), so my case load is full.  Fools like those will ultimately destroy themselves with their hate.  They don't need my help to do it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 02:50:05 pm
Thanks for the offer, but right now i'm fighting cancer and chemo (I wonder which of the two is worse), so my case load is full.  Fools like those will ultimately destroy themselves with their hate.  They don't need my help to do it.

Dallas, I send you my sympathy for your having to go through this fight. I have family which have also had to fight the fight. May I encourage you. My Mother had the fight in 1984. I am happy to tell you that she is doing well even today with the exceptions of older age and the natural problems which comes with it. She is still driving and doing all the things which a self-reliant, independent person can or wishes to do. My Daddy, had prostate cancer about 10 years ago.  Same for him, he overcame, though he is now in the hospital fighting for his life, cancer is not the problem as it has been defeated! I wish you total victory in this and a speedy recovery!
Sincerely,
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 24, 2019, 03:04:37 pm
Thank you, Phillip.  Hope your father is successful in recovering health.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 07:57:06 pm
Thanks Dallas, much appreciated...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 27, 2019, 07:31:20 am
Hi Folks,

Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment,

when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump

than the democrats are.

Whatta country!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on February 27, 2019, 07:35:18 am
Ironic isn?t it.
 Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on February 27, 2019, 09:47:27 am
>Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment, when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump than the democrats are.

True.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 27, 2019, 10:09:58 am
That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on February 27, 2019, 03:06:32 pm
That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.

Thats hilarious and ROUGH! Sadly true also.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 28, 2019, 04:31:41 am
>Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment, when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump than the democrats are.

True.

Is G&T being taken on a PR ride by NK?  Maybe the revelations from his ex lawyer put them off! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on February 28, 2019, 09:14:36 am
>That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.

I don't know if he's "better" but he is more reasonable.  And since he's totally UNresonable, that's pretty sad...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 28, 2019, 09:35:42 am
Hi Folks,

The names have been changed to protect the innocent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FeMvQR-0VA

Sa
l
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 28, 2019, 08:44:32 pm
Hi Folks,

It's a dog hump dog world out there!

You have to see the video:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6756719/White-woman-calls-cops-black-man-Massachusetts-dog-aggressively-humped-hers.html

Oh! And it's racial. A black guy's dog humped a white blond lady's dog. Is there a difference in dog culture between a black family's dog and a white family's dog?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 08, 2019, 04:48:37 pm
Hi Folks,

It's a dog hump dog world out there!

You have to see the video:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6756719/White-woman-calls-cops-black-man-Massachusetts-dog-aggressively-humped-hers.html

Oh! And it's racial. A black guy's dog humped a white blond lady's dog. Is there a difference in dog culture between a black family's dog and a white family's dog?

Sal


In iddee's dream world there would be :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 08, 2019, 08:25:35 pm
At least you picked the right thread to post that on.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 09, 2019, 04:51:38 am
At least you picked the right thread to post that on.
Aw didums iddee I always try to please you! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 09, 2019, 06:51:24 am
 :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2019, 07:23:17 am
Hi Folks,

To coin a phrase: This is America in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSNY1yYPPYA&fbclid=IwAR1MAOSjIqRQifhsmp7g7o2Rdrko2hZlVjntNZpX6QPO59pmbrlFhhiqCjk

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on March 09, 2019, 09:18:25 am
If you didn?t watch the whole video, go back and watch the last 3 minutes. It tells all.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 09, 2019, 10:41:48 am
If you didn?t watch the whole video, go back and watch the last 3 minutes. It tells all.
Jim

What a hateful bunch: The ones who go along with, went along with, this example of reverse hatred, or any part of it, without seeking the truth of the matter, Seem to be consumed, having a rabid blind hate, In my opinion.  When I say reversed, I mean the false accusations of hate lied about and toward Real Americans when in fact the hating left showed their true hate for said Americans with their lying  narrative, a narrative built on outright lies of hate and false accusations of MAGA patriots, all patriots who love this country, and who have graciously accepted people from every tongue and nation, who wish to become Americans and share the American Dream of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, through our proper systems. The hate is so strong and so intense toward Americans by people who also live and lurk amongst us, (and I dare not call these blind hate filled citizens, Americans). And let's not leave out the non-citizens which hate Patriotic Americans. The described seem to have eyes but can not see the truth. They have ears but can not hear what is true, and further more, they do not seem to care what is true, being consumed, fueled, and blinded by blind hate and celebrating any hope of destroying real Americans. The hate is so strong and so intense, leaving said haters, helplessly unreasonable, mean, and vicious! Similar to a rabid dog! SAD
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 10, 2019, 01:07:49 pm
Hi Folks,

ATTENTION! CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU&feature=share

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 10, 2019, 05:10:35 pm
Hi Folks,

ATTENTION! CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU&feature=share

Sal

And of course the Republican Party doesn't do the same? pull the other one. :rolleyes:  But as AL said " You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time". The people won't be fooled by your sleazy propaganda. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on March 10, 2019, 06:07:47 pm
Abraham Lincoln was dealing with a different kind of electorate.  When people in his day wanted something that was free, it usually was land they could work on to earn a living.  Now a large number of voters want the government (taxpayers) to give them stuff so they don?t have to work for a living.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 10, 2019, 06:55:03 pm
Abraham Lincoln was dealing with a different kind of electorate.  When people in his day wanted something that was free, it usually was land they could work on to earn a living.  Now a large number of voters want the government (taxpayers) to give them stuff so they don?t have to work for a living.
Dallas
I was using the AL quote in the context of people not necessarily being as stupid as some may think! :cheesy: not historically.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on March 10, 2019, 10:04:33 pm
I understand, but the fact is that they are.  Somebody once said nobody ever went broke by overestimating the stupidity of people, or something to that effect.  The German people were easily led down the path to ruin.  The people of Jonestown readily drank the poison Kool-aid.  The people who thought a comet was going to wipe out Earth committed mass suicide rather than face the unknown.  History is full of instances similar to these, where people were led to do things detrimental to their survival.  Is that not stupid?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 05:59:05 am
I understand, but the fact is that they are.  Somebody once said nobody ever went broke by overestimating the stupidity of people, or something to that effect.  The German people were easily led down the path to ruin.  The people of Jonestown readily drank the poison Kool-aid.  The people who thought a comet was going to wipe out Earth committed mass suicide rather than face the unknown. History is full of instances similar to these, where people were led to do things detrimental to their survival.  Is that not stupid?
That's quite true, didn't a lot of people vote for Trump! :rolleyes: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 09:44:59 am
Yes, but more didn't. That is proof the majority are dumb.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 11, 2019, 11:27:12 am
I used to love Ellen Page.  Then she got so angry and bitter...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 02:43:48 pm
Yes, but more didn't. That is proof the majority are dumb.
Out of the mouths of babes come gurgles and dribbles ...........and that more people didn't vote for G&T than did but he still made it, money talks!  Now if that was an African/S American country the rants would be enormous " the leftists have rigged an election again" :rolleyes: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 03:19:00 pm
NO, cider, you need to go back and read this thread again.

https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=52018.0

This is why we have the electoral college.One state should not have enough people power to rule all 50 states and leave the other 49 without a voice.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 03:35:19 pm
NO, cider, you need to go back and read this thread again.

https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=52018.0

This is why we have the electoral college.One state should not have enough people power to rule all 50 states and leave the other 49 without a voice.
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on March 11, 2019, 04:20:21 pm
Quote
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?

I'd be good with that and they can take my state and WA with them.  I'll go elsewhere.  For some reason, leftists want to clump up.  Maybe it gives them a sense of security   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 04:53:33 pm
 YEEESSSS   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 11, 2019, 09:01:53 pm
Hi Folks,

Do I have this right? Wasn't it Mark Twain who said:

I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty,

and besides, THE PIG LIKES IT.



Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on March 11, 2019, 09:06:25 pm
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 04:53:04 am
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on March 12, 2019, 06:45:16 am
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Hay, are you insinuating lineman? 😊
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 07:20:15 am
YEP, some need to actually work. You know, do things, so the elite can enjoy life.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 12, 2019, 09:31:34 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 01:38:08 pm
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Hay, are you insinuating lineman?
Jim
not insulting either :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 01:51:43 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 12, 2019, 01:55:10 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 02:05:38 pm
YEP, some need to actually work. You know, do things, so the elite can enjoy life.
Well I'm sure G&T will thank-you for your hard work in keeping him in his golf courses, his clubhouse in Florida etc etc :rolleyes:
Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 02:29:39 pm
Quote
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?

I'd be good with that and they can take my state and WA with them.  I'll go elsewhere.  For some reason, leftists want to clump up.  Maybe it gives them a sense of security   :cheesy:
With Oregon going down the tubes like in these videos
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-47332054
Its not surprising you could be joining your friends in Kansas! :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
""Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee""

Make up your mind, cider. Are you referring to yourself, or me? I see you mention both.  :wink:   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on March 12, 2019, 05:51:18 pm
Quote
With Oregon going down the tubes like in these videos

Not Oregon.  Portland.

The stuff in Portland and Seattle has been going on for years.  For the most part it has been anarchist groups.  In Portland the Mayer is also the head of the police dept.  He, or she, has been rabidly liberal for as long as I have been here.  This las mayor might be the worst.  The police have been told in the past not to confront the riots and so millions in damage have been done to stores downtown.  He finally figured out that letting nutters rampage through the streets is not a good thing, but the damage has been done in that Portland is now seen as the place to go get violent over anything you don't like.  Seattle also. 
Portland was where the INS agents were being threatened and even when emergency calls were made the Mayor wouldn't let the police respond.

They got a new police chief and she seems to have to balls to do her job in spite of the mayor and he has shut up because of all the damage done.  Win-win.

When they have marches now Patriot Prayer and Antifa are kept apart and most of the arrests seem to be Antifa.  Not a surprise since Antifa is routinely violent no matter where they go. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 12, 2019, 06:20:18 pm
>I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals

Unfortunately, that's not what happens.  They leave liberal states because their policies have made it too expensive to live there and they take their politics to the state they move to and implement them there.  Colorado is a good example.  If I had predicted in the 60's that Colorado would outlaw leg hold traps and mountain lion hunting they would have locked me up as crazy... but then all the Californians moved there...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 06:25:13 pm
""Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee""

Make up your mind, cider. Are you referring to yourself, or me? I see you mention both.  :wink:   :cheesy:
I think I'll leave you with this again, go through it word by word, munch on it, cogitate and maybe get a second opinion and then let me know if you understand what it says :wink:
"Well I'm sure G&T will thank-you for your hard work in keeping him in his golf courses, his clubhouse in Florida etc etc "  :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on March 12, 2019, 06:28:36 pm
butt then all the Californians moved there...

Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 10:53:34 pm
Yeah, Cider. I like playing golf, don't you?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 13, 2019, 08:19:52 am
>Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.

And Montana and Idaho and New Mexico...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 08:46:23 am
>Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.

And Montana and Idaho and New Mexico...
Good walk spoiled by having to look for a little white ball :cheesy:If your happy to pay into his company, carry on. :rolleyes: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 09:06:23 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Patriot Prayer group :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 11:31:58 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Prayer Boys side :wink:

Haa haa 😁 I say my prayers Cider. But to be honest, probably not enough. 😁 Reformed to Life, Liberty, and the  pursuit of Happiness, A government of the people for the people and by the people as according to our constitution. A belief of One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.  This is what every immigrant is supposed to know and believe before taking an oath to become an American citizen along with other important values. It's more than coming here to look for a better job, or a higher standard of life. Yes, those things are good. But more importantly an  immigrant should come here in the frame of mind understanding what this country is about and what it was originally founded to represent. Also an immigrant should love The idea of what America stands for and thus  Love America. That is what PDT was trying to get across and is trying to get across in his speeches. We want Immigrants  to come here but we want them to love us, meaning understanding the primary  fundamentals of  our countries foundation and our country's way of life. And love that idea.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 02:20:02 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Prayer Boys side :wink:

Haa haa 😁 I say my prayers Cider. But to be honest, probably not enough. 😁 Reformed to Life, Liberty, and the  pursuit of Happiness, A government of the people for the people and by the people as according to our constitution. A belief of One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.  This is what every immigrant is supposed to know and believe before taking an oath to become an American citizen along with other important values. It's more than coming here to look for a better job, or a higher standard of life. Yes, those things are good. But more importantly an  immigrant should come here in the frame of mind understanding what this country is about and what it was originally founded to represent. Also an immigrant should love The idea of what America stands for and thus  Love America. That is what PDT was trying to get across and is trying to get across in his speeches. We want Immigrants  to come here but we want them to love us, meaning understanding the primary  fundamentals of  our countries foundation and our country's way of life. And love that idea.

One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.

If it is "One nation under god" Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats? ie The Neo-Cons ranting about the 'coastal states' that happen to be Lefty Dems. After all your "One Nation" is vastly different than the one of two hundred years ago.

What about the 'Americans' who don't want to be under a god? should they be dis-enfranchised?
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 02:43:38 pm
"If it is "One nation under god" Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats? ie The Neo-Cons ranting about the 'coastal states' that happen to be Lefty Dems. After all your "One Nation" is vastly different than the one of two hundred years ago"

Whoops. That was suppose to be One Nation under God, Indivisible , with Liberty and Justice for all . Thanks Cider for your insight and leading me to correct this mistake. 😊  "Hum" 😊
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 13, 2019, 03:11:37 pm
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 03:27:41 pm
I, for one do not want to see secession by any State. I would rather that State which seems to have went rogue from the document of our United States Constitution, would simply rerun to the love of the Constitution, ,thus, the Nation. But unfortunately they don't seem to be in this frame of mind.  Just as Believing in God and his Holy Son Jesus, which was accepted by many Americans,  and a vital part of America is being rejected by many. Our Holy God does not force individuals to believe in him or force them to worship him. He displayed his love to every man, woman, and child via his Sons time here, always to the Cross. Which was A labor of pure love. We each have a choice to believe or reject. This love told to us by four witnesses who lived walked and talked to and with Jesus and written in Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. As far as the legalities of states forced to comply with the  Constitution , I'm not educated enough. Prehaps others will chime in. I do know this has been tried here before and led to a Civil war.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 03:28:42 pm
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.

That's right iddee, thank you!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on March 13, 2019, 03:33:24 pm
Quote
Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Because we are a nation of states.  Our federal government was not meant to do most of what it is doing.  Most powers were to be left to the states.  In that way, people could design the type of governance they wanted.

"Under God" is simply a reminder that our rights are from our creator.  Why?  Because again, it removes the government.  If the government did not give us rights, it can not take those rights from us.  We were born with them.  Additionally, all free nations have based their laws on Judeo-Christian tenets.  When they have strayed from those basics they have gotten in trouble.  French revolution, Germany, etc. 

You don't have to believe in (A) God to be in the club, but you should recognize the value of not being controlled/ruled and the genesis of that kind of government. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 13, 2019, 03:42:41 pm
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 06:28:35 pm
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
Why do you say "the liberal states"try to make other states like them, do the rightist states not try the same?
please see below...


'Conservative' Is Not the Opposite of 'Liberal'
A short rant about the language we use to talk about politics

Arthur Holtz
Feb 22, 2017


It drives me nuts how people in the United States use the words 'liberal' and 'conservative' to describe the political spectrum as if the two are complete opposites. I don't think they are necessarily so. The proper opposite of liberal is illiberal, whereas the proper opposite of the word conservative is something along the lines of reformist.

To explore, let's start off with the word I find easier to define: Conservative. You might associate conservative with concepts like a market economy and religiousness, but I don't think those have to be core components of conservatism. To explain why, let's look at the word's origin.

Conservative comes from the Latin conservare, which can be translated as 'to keep intact' or 'to preserve or maintain.' There's nothing about the word conservative that implies support for markets or religion. Conservative simply means you want to conserve the way things are. Makes sense, right?

Moving on to the other piece of the puzzle, liberal refers to an adherent of liberalism, the ideology born of the Enlightenment. I won?t bore you with a long-winded history or philosophy lesson (for which I am unqualified to lecture on anyway) but here is what you need to know: Liberalism, as formulated by its originators in the 17th and 18th centuries, emphasizes the liberty of individuals.

By these definitions, liberal and conservative are not mutually exclusive. If you currently live in a liberal society ' that is, one that upholds the ideals of liberalism' and you want to keep things that way, one could reasonably describe you as simultaneously liberal and conservative without any contradiction.

Using those same definitions, you can also see how strange it is to use conservative as the opposite of liberal, and vice-versa. The proper opposite of conservative is someone who embraces changing the status quo. I don't think there's even a word for that in English. Reformist or progressive are the closest things I can think of, but they don't strike me as quite the right words. If anyone knows a better one, please tell me!

Similarly, the proper opposite of a liberal is someone who rejects the tenets of liberalism. There are numerous -isms opposed to liberalism, and you've probably heard of most of them. To name just a few, there is monarchism, totalitarianism, fascism, socialism, communism, and so on. We can describe these philosophies or their adherents as illiberal, although one should recognize that word often carries negative connotations.

I know this all sounds incredibly nitpicky, but can we please be more careful in our use of the words liberal and conservative? It's always difficult to argue for linguistic prescription since language doesn't arise through executive fiat, but I still feel the way I use liberal and conservative is more consistent with the words origins. In the interest of conserving their meanings, I hope you will consider not using them so liberally.

Inspired by Friedrich Hayek's 'Why I Am Not a Conservative'
Regards
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on March 13, 2019, 09:44:46 pm
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 14, 2019, 03:20:05 pm
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
Doesn't mess it up for me  :smile: but certainly seems a can of worms :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on March 14, 2019, 05:32:30 pm
Quote
but certainly seems a can of worms

Nah, this is one of those places where you have to have followed the evolution of hijacked terms.  It's in the vein of the oft-repeated untruth that somewhere along the line the Republican and Democrat parties switched.  This did not happen although it is true that the Republicans have gone left rather than the Democrats going right.  That's why I don't ID with a party line.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 16, 2019, 08:40:27 am
Hi Folks,

WOW!

Anywayyyyy. Back to the lies.

Chelsea Clinton is berated by Muslim NYU students who blame HER for New Zealand mosques attack because she 'incited an Islamophobic mob' against Rep Ilhan Omar

What ever happened to The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Tribalism apparently works? Is this what peace looks like in the Middle East? Who are these people?

What happened to the great melting pot? What happened to lots of stuff? What happened to being American FIRST? What happened to respect for each other?

Poor US!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 16, 2019, 08:30:43 pm
Hi Folks,

Membah this?

20 killed, dozens wounded in Philippines church bombings
By Madeline Holcombe and Virma Simonette, CNN
Updated 7:32 PM ET, Sun January 27, 2019


(CNN)Two bombs tore through a Roman Catholic cathedral in southern Philippines on Sunday, killing at least 20 people and leaving dozens wounded, authorities said.

ISIS on Sunday claimed responsibility for the bombings via its Amaq News Agency. Shortly after the Amaq report, ISIS' "East Asia Province" also issued a formal communique for the twin suicide bombings.

I didn't think so.

By the way. How come the font size and color aren't working anymore???? It's not paranoia when they're really after you.

Was it something I said? Or just the way I said it?

I'm old! I hate that small print.

Sal



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 16, 2019, 08:46:06 pm
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on March 17, 2019, 01:31:58 am
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
:grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 18, 2019, 07:06:22 am
N E V E R M I N D
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on March 18, 2019, 08:52:32 am
 :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 19, 2019, 10:19:15 am
>I'm old! I hate that small print.

Hold down the control key and roll your scroll wheel up or press "+" and the text will get bigger on any windows system running Chrome or IE or Firefox...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 19, 2019, 05:46:03 pm
On a Mac, press the command button and the + button.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 20, 2019, 09:46:00 am
Hi Folks,

Happy International Day of Happiness day!

Please turn up your speakers and click the link for the Have a Nice Day song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpJg-3M4y5c

Sal

They really are after me, you know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 20, 2019, 08:41:41 pm
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.

Recently we've all become too aware of the lies we've been told over the years. Some are whoppers. Others simply frustrating because we know they are lies. How can they say such things?

Let's recall some of those "unforgettable" little gems from the past. I want to see the ones that make us smile,... groan,... face palm. I want to see the big ones and the little ones. You can tell us who said it,... or wait to see who knows who said it. Try to only post one or two at a time. Post your best. We all know a ton of 'em, but give the next poster a chance to present his jewel. Too many all in the same post diminishes the impact of all of them.

I'll start out with a great one:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
[/i][/b]
"
I know its a bit late, but I didn't either :cheesy:
Sad I know to be reading old posts :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on April 02, 2019, 07:20:40 pm
Have we had this one yet? 

These bonds will add nothing to your taxes. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 02, 2019, 08:12:09 pm
And do not forget,...  REVENUE NEUTRAL!

Naturally when the supply of millionaires fails, and it will, the hacks? definition of millionaire will become anyone who makes over, say, $40,000 a year. But logically, how can you simultaneously promote both a progressive income tax and regressive tolling for people who can?t afford to live in the city?

Answer: You can?t.

Revenue neutral is as big a fraud as a ?sun-setted? tax, which theoretically means that when the purpose of said tax is realized, the tax ends. Example: When the bonds that financed the original Mass Pike construction were paid off, the tolls would come down,... In 1988.

How?s that ?sun-setted? tax working out for you?

Another myth is ?earmarked? taxes. Remember the automatic gas-tax increases that these same DOT hacks were promoting in 2014? All the additional funds ? 100 percent ? would have supposedly gone to repairing the so-called crumbling infrastructure.

Talk about taxation without representation. Around here, taxation with representation is odious enough.

Not my words,.., but my song!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 14, 2019, 08:49:33 am
Hi Folks,

Patriot's Day tomorrow. Go out and salute a flag.

California's latest Fuddle Duddle

?People are actually ridiculous enough to bring up comments about our cop cars having American flags on them.?
? Councilman Peter Blake, Laguna Beach, Calif.


Attorney Jennifer Welsh Zeiter said she thought the police cars were ?exceptional? and suggested that the opposition might have a political motive. She said some people are so filled with hate toward President Trump ?that they cannot see through their current biases to realize that a police vehicle with the American flag is the ultimate American expression.?

VTY

Sal


Oh! Don't forget to file your taxes. I got two extra days here in Taxachusetts
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 14, 2019, 05:53:12 pm
Have we had this one yet? 

These bonds will add nothing to your taxes.

One of our favourites was "We will not raise tuition fees" (as in 'university fees') The Liberal-Democrats party before going into coalition with the Conservative and Unionist Party. Total liars :angry:   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on April 14, 2019, 06:49:22 pm
... Total liars :angry:

True - Politicians at almost every level it seems.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on April 15, 2019, 08:24:20 am
You can always tell when politicians are lying.  Their lips are moving...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on April 15, 2019, 12:34:27 pm
Quote
"We will not raise tuition fees"

"fees" and taxes, which are pretty much the same thing when collected by the government, are the things that keep governments humming along.  If you don't want more of them, then you don't want more government.

College tuition when up a lot after our government decided to take over the student loan program.  Why anyone thought that was a good idea is beyond me.  Easy money on one end leads to increased taking on the other. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/#7d01a13c52b6
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 17, 2019, 01:15:43 am
Quote
"We will not raise tuition fees"

"fees" and taxes, which are pretty much the same thing when collected by the government, are the things that keep governments humming along.  If you don't want more of them, then you don't want more government.

College tuition when up a lot after our government decided to take over the student loan program.  Why anyone thought that was a good idea is beyond me.  Easy money on one end leads to increased taking on the other. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/#7d01a13c52b6

Yes and I bet the giving and taking ratio was not 1 to 1 either.    :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 18, 2019, 06:17:44 pm
Hi Folks,

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was pumped to attend a taping of The Price Is Right in Hollywood this week. The special guest introduced herself as a U.S. representative and rising star of the Democratic Party. Things got interesting when the game began and every time it was her turn to estimate the price of an item her answer was ?free.?

Items included a set of Italian leather handbags, an all expenses paid trip to the Bahamas, and a brand new 2019 BMW 330i, at all of which Ocasio-Cortez shouted, ?FREE!?

When host Drew Carey asked if Ocasio-Cortez understood the game?s rules, she told Carey not to cat-call her and then responded, ?Don?t hate me cause you ain?t me.?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 19, 2019, 10:34:09 pm
Hi Folks,

Truth is stranger than fiction. James Comey tweeted:

The president claiming the FBI?s investigation was ?TREASON? reminds me that a Russian once said, ?A lie told often enough becomes the truth.? That shouldn?t happen in America. Who will stand up?

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on May 20, 2019, 06:21:18 am
Comey should know. He has started enough of them
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 25, 2019, 09:38:53 am
Hi Folks,

Rep. Adam Schiff: Declassifying Documents Is ?New and Dangerous Phase? of Trump?s 'Coverup'.

So lemmee get dis straight. Giving the U.S. citizens more information,... is a cover-up????

How so Obi Wan?

Perhaps the meaning is that it is dangerous to the democrats coverup.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on May 26, 2019, 03:34:14 pm
Quote
Rep. Adam Schiff: Declassifying Documents Is ?New and Dangerous Phase? of Trump?s 'Coverup'.

On any subject he is a complete idiot.  In this case, I think he and his buddies are getting a little nervous.  Kinda makes you wonder what is in those documents to make them nervous?  Guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 16, 2019, 08:45:57 am
Hi Folks,

U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia?s Power Grid

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


And Trump wasn't even told, DONTCHA KNOW!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 21, 2019, 08:50:34 am
Hi Folks,

OK!

A drone was shot down.

Justin Trudeau met with Iranian officials on June 17, closed doors.

Justin then met with President Trump yesterday.

Who is this guy Alexandre (Sacha) Trudeau????

From a paper in 2014:
Not only is Justin Trudeau, son of former Liberal Prime Minister of Canada Pierre Trudeau and current Liberal Party Leader himself, a suspected closet Islamist, his brother Alexandre Trudeau, a top adviser of his, has been involved with propaganda operations of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its bogus claims regarding its nuclear program and smears and slurs against Israel.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 24, 2019, 11:06:36 pm
Hi Folks,

Apparently, Nancy Polosi is a little ticked off that the the President didn't bomb the sand out of Iraq.

She thinks something is up with Sock-boy (aka Justin Trudeau) spilling the beans to Trump. The following is all CODE for.... something:

Pelosi will also be meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Thursday. The speaker is expected to make good on her wager with the leader after her hometown team, the Golden State Warriors, lost the NBA championship to the Toronto Raptors. Pelosi will be giving Trudeau some of California's best known products -- among them wine and Ghirardelli chocolate.

I'm telling you. You can't tell the players without a program.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on July 23, 2019, 07:08:39 am
The biggest lie I was told,
      Eat all your food so you can grow up to be big and strong... All it did is make me grow up and be big and fat.  :wink:

     BEE HAPPY  Jim134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 24, 2019, 08:38:39 am
Hi Folks,

HEADLINE!

BOSTON UNIVERSITY STUDY

Transgender College Students Are Up to Four Times as Likely to Experience Mental Health Problems


https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/transgender-college-students-mental-health-problems/

No kidding Dick Tracy.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Anonimo22 on August 24, 2019, 08:56:53 am
Hi Folks,

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was pumped to attend a taping of The Price Is Right in Hollywood this week. The special guest introduced herself as a U.S. representative and rising star of the Democratic Party. Things got interesting when the game began and every time it was her turn to estimate the price of an item her answer was ?free.?

Items included a set of Italian leather handbags, an all expenses paid trip to the Bahamas, and a brand new 2019 BMW 330i, at all of which Ocasio-Cortez shouted, ?FREE!?

When host Drew Carey asked if Ocasio-Cortez understood the game?s rules, she told Carey not to cat-call her and then responded, ?Don?t hate me cause you ain?t me.?

Sal


Nice.

Let's not forget all her campaign finance violations. Although to be fair, I often mix up AOC's campaign finance violations with Ilhan Omar's.

And the sad part of this is that probably a great chunk of Congress also has all kinds of campaign finance violations.

A lot of the money going to these people and to lobbing IS really from foreign governments trying to change ours.

And what makes it even more frustrating is these foreign governments then accuse of being the bad guys, when it was their money in the first place trying to bribe our leaders. Endless circle of chaos.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 17, 2019, 08:50:41 am
Hi Folks,

Dirty, dirty politics!

They got nothing, nothing but lies. These are bad people.

From Hunter Thompson:

This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics.  Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson?s early campaigns in Texas.  The race was close and Johnson was getting worried.  Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumor campaign about his opponent?s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his own barnyard sows.

?Christ, we can?t get a way calling him a pig-_______,? the campaign manager protested.  ?Nobody?s going to believe a thing like that.?

?I know,? Johnson replied.  ?But let?s make the sonofabitch deny it.?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 19, 2019, 02:56:00 pm
I think I have heard just about every dirty trick LBJ allegedly pulled, but never heard this.  I think it is nonsense somebody made up for the internet, probably told first about some other politician. 

The young Lyndon Johnson was actually pretty conservative by today's standards.  There were two wings on the Democratic party in Texas, one liberal and one conservative, and virtually no Republican party.  Many of the conservative Democrats moved to the Republican label in the late 1960s.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 19, 2019, 11:27:27 pm
I think I have heard just about every dirty trick LBJ allegedly pulled, but never heard this.  I think it is nonsense somebody made up for the internet, probably told first about some other politician. 

The young Lyndon Johnson was actually pretty conservative by today's standards.  There were two wings on the Democratic party in Texas, one liberal and one conservative, and virtually no Republican party.  Many of the conservative Democrats moved to the Republican label in the late 1960s.

Your explanation sounds accurate and reasonable to me Dallas. Can you imagine the repercussions against Mr Johnson, especially back in that day, of such a statement of accusation? There were two wings of the Democratic Party in Mississippi, similar as you described in Texas, during that era. I have heard the older folks discussing this very thing when I was a boy. The liberal democrats went off to the left so far with their extremism, that Conservative Democrats could no longer go along. So, the Republican Party was their choice, for that very reason. From what I understand, the South as a whole was apparently, pretty much the same way? Thus politically, the South was known as the Solid South during that period; is that right?
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 20, 2019, 12:36:45 am
The Solid South it was, Phillip.  The Democrats could rely on the Southern vote until about 1948, when the Dixiecrats started splitting off from the democratic party.  Of course, we had democrats like Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton (the latter 3 being Southerners) elected after that, but the conservative wing of the democrat party started splitting off in 1948.  In 1968, George  Wallace carried five Southern states with his segregationist views.  That may have helped Richard Nixon win the presidency, since his race took votes away from the democrats.  After that, Republicans continued to gain ground in the South.  Democrats seem to have been gaining recently in the South as people move from the left coast and North, but if they continue to lean farther left, I expect voters will abandon them -- or vote some other way because the Democrats have abandoned them, to state it more accurately.  It could be time for a third party to gain a stronger voice in national politics, taking votes from both the GOP and the Democrats. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 20, 2019, 12:42:43 am
I meant to point out the term yellow dog Democrat was used to describe voters in the South for many years.  They would vote for a yellow dog if it ran for office on the Democrat ticket.  And they seemed to be proud to identify themselves as such.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on September 20, 2019, 01:11:29 am
IF I understand my history correctly - "IF" - the Republicans first [successful] Presidential Candidate was Abraham Lincoln. The Republicans formed as a "split-off" from the Whig party. The Republicans then went on to free All Slaves [after winning the Civil War against the Democrats]. ... etc ...

Lotta "IF's" there ...

If all the above "IF's" are correct - it makes sense to me today, as I watch the Democrat Party flounder - seemingly lost to itself, that the time has [nearly] come for a new [more realistic/intelligent] party to form out of the current ashes of the Democrat party - if they've any hope at all of survival ... as Dallas said ...

Pls feel very free to correct me on any errors ...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 20, 2019, 02:28:04 am
IF I understand my history correctly - "IF" - the Republicans first [successful] Presidential Candidate was Abraham Lincoln. The Republicans formed as a "split-off" from the Whig party. The Republicans then went on to free All Slaves [after winning the Civil War against the Democrats]. ... etc ...

Lotta "IF's" there ...

If all the above "IF's" are correct - it makes sense to me today, as I watch the Democrat Party flounder - seemingly lost to itself, that the time has [nearly] come for a new [more realistic/intelligent] party to form out of the current ashes of the Democrat party - if they've any hope at all of survival ... as Dallas said ...

Pls feel very free to correct me on any errors ...

Over my head Alan, I have no ground to correct you if you are wrong. Except the unfair taxing continued on for the South. Which was the main culprit for the war.  I will say the New Democratic Party that I see today looks more like a communist party to me. Or at the least, an Anti-Constitutional party on the outside looking in. I am thinking the sober minded Democrats (Conservative) democrats at the time of Johnson, later began moving to the Republican Party about the time of Mr Reagan?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 20, 2019, 11:15:37 pm
The Solid South it was, Phillip.  The Democrats could rely on the Southern vote until about 1948, when the Dixiecrats started splitting off from the democratic party.  Of course, we had democrats like Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton (the latter 3 being Southerners) elected after that, but the conservative wing of the democrat party started splitting off in 1948.  In 1968, George  Wallace carried five Southern states with his segregationist views.  That may have helped Richard Nixon win the presidency, since his race took votes away from the democrats.  After that, Republicans continued to gain ground in the South.  Democrats seem to have been gaining recently in the South as people move from the left coast and North, but if they continue to lean farther left, I expect voters will abandon them -- or vote some other way because the Democrats have abandoned them, to state it more accurately.  It could be time for a third party to gain a stronger voice in national politics, taking votes from both the GOP and the Democrats.

Dallas this makes scenes to me, thanks for the educational value of your post, I especially enjoyed it. 
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 21, 2019, 12:59:56 am
Hi Folks,

I read Hunter Thompson^s stuff years ago. He is the source for that LBJ story.

See here:

https://masscommons.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/fear-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail-make-them-deny-it/

MAKE THEM DENY IT!

Bad stuff.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 23, 2019, 10:02:31 pm
Can't make it up Folks,

Those silly Brits!

Children as young as SIX are to be given compulsory self-touching lessons that critics say are sexualising youngsters

    The lessons are part of the controversial All About Me teaching programme
    All About Me is being rolled out across 241 primaries by Warwickshire County Council
    Campaigners warn that inappropriate sexual material could be given to children.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7490415/Children-young-SIX-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

Remember Monte Python? Those were the days,... British humor. Now, nobody is laughing.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 26, 2019, 07:31:18 am
Hi Folks,

We've sorta heard about this, but have you seen it firsthand? Joe Biden bragging? I had to see it for myself. NPR won't tell me.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/24/watch-joe-biden-brag-about-bribing-ukraine-to-fire-the-prosecutor-investigating-his-sons-company/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on September 26, 2019, 08:25:12 am
And how dare Trump try to find out if Biden bribed a Ukranian with a billion dollars of our money!  Who does he think he is!  The president of the United States?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on September 26, 2019, 04:12:02 pm
Someone floated the theory that this was stirred by dems up in order to bring up the Biden stuff and knock him out of the running.  I think that is too much thinking to expect from them, but it may have the effect anyway.

News is also coming out that the whistleblower is a CIA person.  A little Brennan plant anyone?

This is going to be fun.  I await impeachment and discovery. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 26, 2019, 11:09:01 pm
Someone floated the theory that this was stirred by dems up in order to bring up the Biden stuff and knock him out of the running.  I think that is too much thinking to expect from them, but it may have the effect anyway.

News is also coming out that the whistleblower is a CIA person.  A little Brennan plant anyone?

This is going to be fun.  I await impeachment and discovery.

X2
President Trump knows what he is doing, a master chess player. Looks he is setting them up, and getting ready to open up  a can of what Bobby Bushea opened in the movie. Difference is Mr Trump is no water boy.
 :shocked:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 27, 2019, 10:48:43 am
It is not so much that Trump is brilliant.  It doesn?t require a great tactician to defeat an opponent that is dumb as a board.  The Democrats are acting like totall idiots these days, making it easy for Trump to appear smart.

I did think, based on the report in the Wall Street Journal, that Trump?s speech to the United Nations earlier this week was excellent.  I would like to read the text of his entire speech to see if it really was that well-reasoned and restrained.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on September 27, 2019, 06:32:02 pm
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-74th-session-united-nations-general-assembly/

I think this is the whole thing.

I listened to a bit of it and it was good.  Encouraging each nation to do what is best for their own people. A proper view of nationalism. 

I think the entire thing is on Youtube too if you want to listen to it.  I prefer reading, but sometimes tone is important too. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 30, 2019, 10:57:56 pm
Hi Folks,

For the prize behind curtain number three....

WHO SAID THIS LAST SATURDAY?

The best possible path, especially if you are concerned about a country that has never been more divided, perhaps more highly polarized every day, is for this president to resign. Allow this country to heal, and assure that we come back together with the greatest, most ambitious agenda we?ve ever faced, none of it possible while he remains in power.

Who wants to play?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 01, 2019, 12:32:37 am


Hi Folks,

For the prize behind curtain number three....

WHO SAID THIS LAST SATURDAY?

The best possible path, especially if you are concerned about a country that has never been more divided, perhaps more highly polarized every day, is for this president to resign. Allow this country to heal, and assure that we come back together with the greatest, most ambitious agenda we?ve ever faced, none of it possible while he remains in power.

Who wants to play?

Sal

I don't know this clowns name because I did not hear the quote, but this person must think all Americans have a low IQ? I will play and take three guesses, Could be one of the following Shepard Smith, Juan Williams, or even Geraldo Rivera?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 01, 2019, 07:38:27 am
Nope. None of those guys.

Some other hints from the Urban Dictionary:

This guy is a spaz. Means a person that acts insane or mentally retarded.
This guy ran around screaming with his tounge hanging out like a spaz.

Someone who is hyperactive, or overly energetic
He can never sit still, he is a bit of a spaz

An irrationally nervous or jumpy person.
Dude, that Tweek from El Paso is such a spaz.

verb. to go insane, break, or otherwise act oddly.

He is totally spazzing. - when somebody is going mad

Many people assume he is just off his meds.

Any more guesses?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 01, 2019, 08:22:35 am
Spaz is short for spasm or spasmodic.  And when applied to a person is what you have already pointed out.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 01, 2019, 09:13:10 am
Unless his name starts with a B, ends with an O, and has e&t in the middle, I have no idea who it may be.   :tongue:  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 02, 2019, 10:03:39 pm
Hi Folks,

The booby prize goes to IDDEE!

I've been trying for twenty minutes to post a photo of those prize boobies, but a moderator keeps blocking me.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: sawdstmakr on October 03, 2019, 06:58:33 am
Salvo,
Unless there is something connected to the picture that is forbidden, you should bee able to post it. Did you make sure it was as small enough?
Send me the picture and I will post it.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 03, 2019, 08:16:22 pm
Hi Sawdust,

Hakuna Matata.

I had no booby pictures,... but it was a funny line, and twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Nyuk Nyuk!

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 11:11:26 am
Hi Sawdust,

Hakuna Matata.

I had no booby pictures,... but it was a funny line, and twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Nyuk Nyuk!

Sal
Statement by  Anne Sacoolas the 42 yr old wife of a US 'diplomat'? stationed at a US Air Force Base in the UK. After she allegedly drove on the wrong side of the road (right instead of left) and hit an 18 yr old motorcyclist head-on, killing him. After being interviewed by the Police stated "I have no intention of leaving the country" less than two weeks later she and her family decamped to the US without informing anyone and now cannot be contacted (they are claiming Diplomatic Immunity) Is this a correct use of 'Diplomatic immunity' or should it now be a case of tit for tat?
I think there is a saying 'How to make friends and influence people' or 'With friends like these, who needs enemies' :rolleyes:
cider :sad: :angry:     
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 08, 2019, 12:07:58 pm
This is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.    :shocked: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 08, 2019, 12:13:44 pm
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 08, 2019, 01:23:20 pm
Quote
his is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.   

Quote
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.

Mixed feelings on this.  What she did was wrong, but diplomatic immunity exists for a reason.  It is generally not waved for things like traffic accidents absent something like DUI, and there is no indication that she was under the influence.  I also suspect that leaving was more the SD idea.  It was a bad idea.

I understand the upset, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it happens here a lot because the UN is here.  It's the tradeoff we get for protecting diplomats from bad actors in bad places. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 03:14:02 pm
Quote
his is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.   

Quote
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.

Mixed feelings on this.  What she did was wrong, but diplomatic immunity exists for a reason.  It is generally not waved for things like traffic accidents absent something like DUI, and there is no indication that she was under the influence.  I also suspect that leaving was more the SD idea.  It was a bad idea.

I understand the upset, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it happens here a lot because the UN is here.  It's the tradeoff we get for protecting diplomats from bad actors in bad places.
Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? But undoubtedly you would say there is some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. But Kath, it doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 08, 2019, 04:03:51 pm
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Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? Undoubtedly you would say there would be some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. It doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   

I would be unhappy.  Probably angry.  I don't know if she could have waived it.  It certainly could have been waived.

Yes, I feel bad for the family.  As a practical matter though, diplomatic immunity needs to be protected.  You are correct that your legal system would have given her a fair trial, but the precedent might have put someone in a less civilized country in jeopardy.  I'm not defending anything, but just pointing out that this is not new, and there are reasons for the rules that we all sign on to.  We have this issue especially in NY becasue of the gazillion UN people.  They can pretty much do as they please and no one can touch them. 


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 05:28:58 pm
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Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? Undoubtedly you would say there would be some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. It doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   

I would be unhappy.  Probably angry.  I don't know if she could have waived it.  It certainly could have been waived.

Yes, I feel bad for the family.  As a practical matter though, diplomatic immunity needs to be protected.  You are correct that your legal system would have given her a fair trial, but the precedent might have put someone in a less civilized country in jeopardy.  I'm not defending anything, but just pointing out that this is not new, and there are reasons for the rules that we all sign on to.  We have this issue especially in NY becasue of the gazillion UN people.  They can pretty much do as they please and no one can touch them.

Can you not see your no better than the trash in NY who evade parking tickets etc? DI was devised for more serious things than parking tickets! The woman should be returned forthwith and it would demonstrate your commitment to the real meaning of DI instead of admitting it can be used to avoid prosecution for killing innocent teenagers.
cider   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 08, 2019, 06:18:18 pm
Unfortunately, as one NYC cop put it, someone with DI could stand in the middle of the road and murder another and not end up arrested.  Ejected maybe, but not arrested. 

Neither you nor I have any say in it. 

It's not even always those with immunity.  We had a foreign student kill a girl in a hit and run.  He was found, arrested, released pending trial, and his embassy whisked him out of the country in the night. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 06:56:07 pm
Unfortunately, as one NYC cop put it, someone with DI could stand in the middle of the road and murder another and not end up arrested.  Ejected maybe, but not arrested. 

Neither you nor I have any say in it. 

It's not even always those with immunity.  We had a foreign student kill a girl in a hit and run.  He was found, arrested, released pending trial, and his embassy whisked him out of the country in the night.
Did they go after the country as they presumably were abusing DI? Probably not, why? because they want to preserve the same level of bogus DI for their own personnel, as has just happened in the UK. What a way for two presumably civilised countries to treat each other. Again "With f........
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 08, 2019, 09:36:46 pm
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Did they go after the country as they presumably were abusing DI? Probably not, why? because they want to preserve the same level of bogus DI for their own personnel, as has just happened in the UK. What a way for two presumably civilised countries to treat each other. Again "With f........

It wasn't even someone with diplomatic immunity.  Once they were out of the country it was pretty much out of our hands.  Short of some kind of national move against the kids country, there wasn't much to be done about it.  It was a country with which we do not have an extradition treaty.  Personally, I'd not let anyone in that came from one of those countries, but I'm pretty sure someone would scream RACIST since most of those countries are OTW. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 13, 2019, 04:45:57 am
Apparently, that is correct in this case also, she didn't/ doesn't have immunity. It now begs the question why was she 'spirited' away on a cargo plane back to the US? Now would you like to bet on the reverse happening? not a snowball in hells chance! You complain of the UN in NY this is the same thing in action.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 13, 2019, 12:30:41 pm
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Apparently, that is correct in this case also, she didn't/ doesn't have immunity. It now begs the question why was she 'spirited'

Diplomatic immunity is also extended to the family of the diplomat.  one of the problems with having the UN in NY is that anyone attached to it claims that immunity whether or not they are really supposed to have it, but that has nothing to do with your case or the one here.
Complaining to the UN would do nothing.  They are useless. 

Look, I think what she did stinks.  I don't support cowardice.  Whether we like it or not, the legal bit is different. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 16, 2019, 06:18:06 pm
I see today DT  tried to engineer a 'surprise meeting' between the mother and father of the motorcyclist killed by the runaway spies wife. Who advises this man? Hope they have nothing to do with your defence. :wink:
cider TY 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 16, 2019, 07:18:55 pm
NO, they don't have any more to do with our defense than they do yours. Where would you and your country be today if it weren't for them and their predecessors?

Now say "Thank You" rather than "Danke Schoen"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 09:28:34 am
NO, they don't have any more to do with our defense than they do yours. Where would you and your country be today if it weren't for them and their predecessors?

Now say "Thank You" rather than "Danke Schoen"
Have I not before? If it was the case us not saying, Danke Schoen why did you not arrive in '39? and wait until the Japanese gave you a kick up the ass?
I will say and have said thank you to the people of that time, but most definitely not to YOU.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 11:51:12 am
Depends on who you mean by YOU. My father's youngest brother took 2 50 caliber rounds in the gut during that war.16 feet of plastic intestines and a goat's stomach. I put my time in "nam. Since I came back whole, does that lessen the value of my mission?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 17, 2019, 12:01:35 pm
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why did you not arrive in '39? and wait until the Japanese gave you a kick up the ass?

Because we were isolationists at the time.   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 02:48:25 pm
Yes, Kathy, I appreciate what the sentimentality was at the time.
It was in reply to iddee's pathetic and sarcastic post re speaking German. What type of mentality makes him use the injuries of his uncle in WWII with him returning from Vietnam uninjured, maybe he feels guilty! After all, what did it achieve? Kill maybe an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.
I've said before I despair of wally but this takes the biscuit. At least he picked the correct pseudonym pity he forgot the iot. :rolleyes:
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 03:10:44 pm
Wow, you do let it be known when the truth brings you pain, don't you. You are correct, PC is NOT one of my attributes. I call it like I see it. Sorry if it pains you.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: kathyp on October 17, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
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After all, what did it achieve? Kill maybe an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.

Kennedy realized that if we did not stop communism from spreading much of SE Asia would be lost to it.  Because we did not fight the war as we did WW2, we ended up doing no good, and Kennedy was proved correct.  We do not know how many millions were lost to the following communist regimes or tossed into "reeducation camps" never to be seen again. 

It was not the wrong war to fight, but it was fought the wrong way.  We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.  If collateral damage is a concern, we should stay home. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 17, 2019, 04:41:40 pm
>We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.

Politicians should be forced to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" with special attention to the "Never" and "Always" statements.  If they would have followed Sun Tzu's advice they would either have refrained or won quickly.  Unfortunately sometimes folling Sun Tzu's advice will get your fired.  Sun Tzu says it is not the job of the General to please the Emperor.  It is the job of the General to win the war.  McCarthy probably read that and decided to take all of Korea.  If communications had been as slow as in Sun Tzu's day, all of Korea would be free today... and maybe a lot of China as well...


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on October 17, 2019, 04:52:34 pm
...  We do not know how many millions were lost to the following communist regimes or tossed into "reeducation camps" never to be seen again.  ....

This is very correct. A close friend of mine spent several years in a "Re-education Camp" after the Vietnam War ended. He was a South Vietnamese Naval Officer during the war. They told him he'd be there in the camp for "2-weeks". With the help of family, he was finally able to escape the camp, and immediately the country. Most of his friends died in that camp (malnutrition, disease, execution, etc.). He lives near me now and his story is horrific. ... just another example of the "benevolence" of Communism.

Most estimates place the death toll in Communist China to be over 56 million (taken - never to return or staight-up executed). Genealogy data suggests this number is actually over 110 million. ...  just another example of the "benevolence" of Communism

The examples like this are seemingly endless.

Hillary (and the dems) love socialism/communism/progressivism/liberalism/whatever-name-you-want-to-give-IT.

Trump loves the freedom of the individual - as America was founded.

Take your pick - but choose wisely ... says I.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 17, 2019, 04:53:42 pm
>We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.

?There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.? ? Sun Tzu

?There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must not be attacked, towns which must not be besieged, positions which must not be contested, commands of the sovereign which must not be obeyed.? ? Sun Tzu

"He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men?s weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue? In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns."? Sun Tzu

"There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey; This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army; This causes restlessness in the soldier?s minds. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers."? Sun Tzu

"He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign." ? Sun Tzu

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 08:16:26 pm
Wow, you do let it be known when the truth brings you pain, don't you. You are correct, PC is NOT one of my attributes. I call it like I see it. Sorry if it pains you.
And which part pains me? You using your uncle's injuries (which was despicable) or joining WWII only in near 1942? it pains me that you could use such an argument in this day and age. But then again you are iddee the self-confessed racist. Sleep well, at least you will after the nurses have dispensed the pills.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 09:59:24 pm
""I will say and have said thank you to the people of that time, but most definitely not to YOU.""

This is why I brought up my uncle. I was telling you that "the people of that time" was my family, therefore me.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 18, 2019, 12:27:03 am
Depends on who you mean by YOU. My father's youngest brother took 2 50 caliber rounds in the gut during that war.16 feet of plastic intestines and a goat's stomach. I put my time in "nam. Since I came back whole, does that lessen the value of my mission?

My mother?s first cousin took a bullet from a German sniper on Christmas🎄Day during the battle of the bulge never to see another day on this earth. Never to grow old, have a family, go hunting, or just enjoy life as his life was ended that day, fighting for the freedom of the world against fascist socialist,  and the ternary they commanded.  He gave all. I would think that any person who was born in, before, or anytime near  that era should be grateful, not only for his sacrifice, but all that fought, all who had any part of supporting our soldiers, ALL citizens gave something to that war effort, including kids like iddee which collected all types of materials for the war effort. This war was an all out war, winner take all. Our citizens from all ages sacrificed, giving up meat to eat on certain days,  leather for shoes, etc to make sure our boys had all we could give them to be successful. Iron was collected, all type of materials was scrapped and given for the war effort. Women worked in factories building planes, tanks, ammunition etc for our boys as well as our partners in this awful war. Not only for our benefit, were these sacrifices made, but for the benefit of the entire free world; our country  as well as the others, united in battle,... LEST WE FORGET.
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 18, 2019, 12:43:00 pm
So far, I have seen no mention of the arms and other materiel provided by the US to to Allies prior to US entry into the war.  The US military was so weak before Pearll Harbor that it couldn't have been much help anyway.  My father and his brother joined the army in 1934 and served through the war.  My father did his part in the Battle of the Bulge and was awarded a bronze star, which none of us knew about until after he died.  That kind of modesty was typical of his generation, I think.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 18, 2019, 07:59:13 pm
So far, I have seen no mention of the arms and other materiel provided by the US to to Allies prior to US entry into the war.  The US military was so weak before Pearll Harbor that it couldn't have been much help anyway.  My father and his brother joined the army in 1934 and served through the war.  My father did his part in the Battle of the Bulge and was awarded a bronze star, which none of us knew about until after he died.  That kind of modesty was typical of his generation, I think.
As did mine, he volunteered before the start and served till 1946 thankfully coming home in one piece.

After our gold reserves had been depleted you looked for other things to 'acquire'!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyers-for-bases_deal
So you can see it wasn't a case of being 'altruistic' it was more a case of self-interest. Albeit gratefully received self-interest.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 27, 2019, 02:34:06 pm
Hi Folks,

Well! Trump finally got BIG DADDY! Just like in Beach Party Bingo!

He didn't tell Paloozi because she was busy with other things.

Eriv Von Zipper
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2019, 04:15:24 pm
Yep, there's his "pull-out." Now he's talking about leaving a protective force in Syria. He is one smart man. :cheesy: