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Title: Silence is Golden
Post by: cidersabuzzin on May 10, 2017, 01:51:20 pm
Since Trump fired the FBI Director there has been a derth of concern on here . I take it everyone agrees with it? Or is this the thin edge of the wedge!
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 10, 2017, 02:21:08 pm
It is just another act by the self proclaimed dictator because of someone getting close.  History repeats itself on a regular basis so it is only a matter of time when the dictator falls.  He can't fire everyone and he can't prevent those that know from keeping it quiet.  Republicans are getting uneasy, and they should be.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Dallasbeek on May 10, 2017, 02:44:33 pm
Since Trump fired the FBI Director there has been a derth of concern on here . I take it everyone agrees with it? Or is this the thin edge of the wedge!

It should have been done on Day One.  In fact, obama should have done it weeks or months before.  The FBI will take years to recover from the damage done to its institutional integrity by Comey's violation of its rules. 
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 10, 2017, 05:51:34 pm
Once the incompetence is out of the white house people will have faith again.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 10, 2017, 06:38:47 pm
You're four months behind, Ace. It happened Jan. 20.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 10, 2017, 07:56:18 pm
You're four months behind, Ace. It happened Jan. 20.
Well I know it happened on Jan 20.  Lets see how long it will take to correct the problem.  Do you think he will last a full year?  I think before the year is up the Republicans will nominate Michele to save their sorry ass.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 10, 2017, 09:20:45 pm
You poor fellow. Those hallucinations must wreak havoc on a fellow's mind.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: divemaster1963 on May 10, 2017, 09:39:13 pm
 he mite be taking the same meds that my wife was taking that made her hallucinate so bad she attacked me in bed.
 :shocked: :shocked: :wink:

john
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 10, 2017, 10:05:56 pm
Be careful. The way he's posting, he may attack you in bed.   :shocked: :shocked:   :cool:
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Hops Brewster on May 11, 2017, 10:40:24 am
Y'all do realize that job is retained "at the pleasure of the President", don't you?
The Left vilified Comey for speaking out on the felonies the Shrillary commited.  Hated him.  Now that he's been canned, they're howling foul.  Leftists are worse than a bunch of fickle school girls. 
Need a Whaaambulance?

He angry off the boss and got canned.  Get over it.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 11, 2017, 11:37:40 am
It's fun to watch the lefties and how their blinded by their ideology.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 11, 2017, 11:38:00 am
I don't have a lot to say about it because I don't know Trump's motive. I do know that I would have fired him a long time ago though.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 11, 2017, 11:43:07 am
I would not put it past Trump to fire someone who was investigating him but Trump, for whatever you want to say about him, is not dumb and he knows that this will only intensify the investigation against him.

My faith in all this has gone down since Lynch met with Clinton on the tarmac during the election and Clinton was not at least charged with something.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 11, 2017, 02:44:44 pm
It's fun to watch the lefties and how their blinded by their ideology.

The sad thing is they put party before country. 
We've got a new President and they are actively trying to impeach him.  (At least they say they are.)
The level of hostility and poor statesmanship is not good for the country. 
Even the MSM reported on the hypocrisy of the left regarding the Comey firing.  As if the public has no memory?
All this makes a good case for term limits.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 11, 2017, 03:02:07 pm
It's fun to watch the lefties and how their blinded by their ideology.

The sad thing is they put party before country. 
We've got a new President and they are actively trying to impeach him.  (At least they say they are.)
The level of hostility and poor statesmanship is not good for the country. 
Even the MSM reported on the hypocrisy of the left regarding the Comey firing.  As if the public has no memory?
All this makes a good case for term limits.

Did the Republicans not do this with Obama though? It seems both sides are like this now.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 11, 2017, 03:15:42 pm
With obama we were speaking from known facts and history on our side. The left just wants to complain about Trumps hair.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: herbhome on May 11, 2017, 03:27:31 pm
With obama we were speaking from known facts and history on our side. The left just wants to complain about Trumps hair.


Ohhhh, there's a lot more to complain about than his ridiculous haircut. :wink:
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Dallasbeek on May 11, 2017, 03:29:27 pm
"A plague o' both your houses." -- Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet (William Shakespeare in case any don't know)
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 11, 2017, 03:56:47 pm
Did the Republicans not do this with Obama though? It seems both sides are like this now.

For me the difference is the media.  Term limits for both parties, sorry, I should have been more specific. 
I hope my current Representative, a Republican, gets primaried. 
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 11, 2017, 04:03:26 pm
Did the Republicans not do this with Obama though? It seems both sides are like this now.

For me the difference is the media.  Term limits for both parties, sorry, I should have been more specific. 
I hope my current Representative, a Republican, gets primaried.

I don't care about term limits but the media is horrible, Fox included.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: cidersabuzzin on May 11, 2017, 05:21:31 pm
It's fun to watch the lefties and how their blinded by their ideology.

I would have said "lefties and righties its always fun to see them both at each others throats! I would have thought they would have learned by now. But please keep it up its entertaining part of 'coffee house' :happy:
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: cidersabuzzin on May 11, 2017, 05:34:22 pm
You're four months behind, Ace. It happened Jan. 20.
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iddee
Where have you been? I've missed your dulcet tones. Or even the more strident ones! :grin:
cider
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Geoff on May 15, 2017, 06:57:04 pm


   Still yakking from 10,000 miles none of y'all had much to pick from. I know more than one of your members in the States would have made better leaders.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Dallasbeek on May 15, 2017, 08:51:40 pm


   Still yakking from 10,000 miles none of y'all had much to pick from. I know more than one of your members in the States would have made better leaders.

Most people have more sense than to get into that crazy game.  So we have to choose from the loonies that fancy themselves worthy of such leadership roles.  Fortunately, our Constitution established a form of government that protects us from most of the foolishness of any one or few such crazies.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: renton on May 15, 2017, 10:52:40 pm
Didn't Assange offer him a job the same day he was fired?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 15, 2017, 11:13:33 pm


   Still yakking from 10,000 miles none of y'all had much to pick from. I know more than one of your members in the States would have made better leaders.

Most people have more sense than to get into that crazy game.  So we have to choose from the loonies that fancy themselves worthy of such leadership roles.  Fortunately, our Constitution established a form of government that protects us from most of the foolishness of any one or few such crazies.
The only problem there is most don't follow the constitution. Heck I think I remember one guy say it was full negative liberties. And he would fundamentally change America.
If those in government won't follow it it is our duty to hold them to account.
Problem with that is more people can name the real housewives, but not their representatives.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 17, 2017, 06:04:44 pm
Sorry I was gone for a week I was in Republican territory,  Wyoming and Montana.  What an irony ... fox news reporting the ground is shaking when I was at the air port in Billings.  Seems like the cattle are getting restless and thinking about jumping the fence.
How long you guys think the orange turd has got left?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 17, 2017, 08:51:53 pm
7 years and 8 months.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 17, 2017, 08:59:59 pm
Well I never thought he would get elected in the first place.  But 7 years, 8 months?  I doubt he will live that long.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 17, 2017, 10:44:27 pm
Well I never thought he would get elected in the first place.  But 7 years, 8 months?  I doubt he will live that long.
That's just it. You can't see past your stubborn ideology. Take a few steps back and maybe you'll get some perspective on things the way they actually are.
This is not directed at only you ace. There are plenty of others. Also a few on the right, but not to the extent or hysteria.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 18, 2017, 02:47:47 am
AMEN, psparr

Check out the real news site, Ace. You may learn something.

http://100percentfedup.com/
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 18, 2017, 08:38:28 am
You read the Esquire too, right?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 18, 2017, 08:42:38 am
You can't see past your stubborn ideology.

Yup.  My mother taught me right from wrong.  A liar never stops until he has no friends even the ones he thought he had.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 18, 2017, 10:06:54 am
You can't see past your stubborn ideology.

Yup.  My mother taught me right from wrong.  A liar never stops until he has no friends even the ones he thought he had.
You must be lonely. :)
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 18, 2017, 01:03:24 pm
What is the esquire?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: tycrnp on May 19, 2017, 01:28:02 am
Certainly the Dems will impeach Trump.  They just have to find proof of "conclusion" with the Kremlin.  I just hope they can do it before Guam tips over! (Who votes for these people?!)
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 19, 2017, 09:52:10 am
Certainly the Dems will impeach Trump.  They just have to find proof of "conclusion" with the Kremlin.  I just hope they can do it before Guam tips over! (Who votes for these people?!)
Who votes these people?
The fed up majority who were sick of the scum politicians. Who word everything they say according to polls. Who never give a straight answer to anything. The people who were tired of their government not following the laws they enacted!

That's who.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 19, 2017, 02:30:56 pm
What is the esquire?
Rag magazine that sells headlines.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 19, 2017, 02:32:20 pm
That's who.

LMAO  You really change things Psparr.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: tycrnp on May 19, 2017, 02:47:38 pm
Certainly the Dems will impeach Trump.  They just have to find proof of "conclusion" with the Kremlin.  I just hope they can do it before Guam tips over! (Who votes for these people?!)
Who votes these people?
The fed up majority who were sick of the scum politicians. Who word everything they say according to polls. Who never give a straight answer to anything. The people who were tired of their government not following the laws they enacted!

That's who.

Psparr,
I think you misunderstood my question. 

Who votes for someone like Congressman Hank Johnson who is so stupid that he asked an Admiral if he was afraid Guam would tip over if we deployed 8000 marines there!!!!  Or who voted  for Maxine  Waters who insists there was "conclusion"  (huh?) between the  Trump team and the Kremlin. Who votes for someone like Representative Sheila Jackson Lee who proclaimed North & South Vietnam were peaceful neighbors. (Maybe she missed the memo in 1976 when they merged.)

I am actually 1  of the fed  up majority - which is no longer silent.

That was my question.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 19, 2017, 02:53:44 pm
Who doesn't realize you are not a majority?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 19, 2017, 04:23:36 pm
Sorry for the confusion. To hot today to be rational.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 21, 2017, 06:16:54 pm
I certainly am one of the majority. If not, I could be receiving all the bennies reserved for the minorities. As is, I have to fend for myself.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 21, 2017, 09:29:48 pm
Gees I thought you were retirement age with a huge list of entitlements.  Isn't that a bigger drain on the budget than welfare?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 21, 2017, 09:52:41 pm
Absolutely not. I receive nothing but what I work or worked for.  Retirement only gave me SS, which I worked for 48 years to earn. If I had invested the money I paid in, I would likely be much better off. The gov. takes all my medicare back for reasons I won't get into, but the fact remains I receive no medicare or other retirement related bennies.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 21, 2017, 11:27:38 pm
A lot of confirmation bias going on here...  not by me of course...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 22, 2017, 08:54:25 am
If I had invested the money I paid in, I would likely be much better off.

Most people could say the same.  SS is a tax not an investment.  What you put in went to your parents, who probable paid very little, war machines, bullets and bombs.  This continues today where the younger generation will pay for the older generation.  Can you see that changing?

The irony is most people cannot survive on SS mainly because health care costs consumes the benefit.  The biggest drain an any healthcare system is old people.  They are the non working unhealthy class.  Young people have very little need for healthcare as compared to old people.  The primary health care use for young people is either making babies or trying to prevent making babies.  A very minor cost compared to keeping an old person alive for the last few years of their life.

Now our government is actively selling war machines to the Saudi's.  The government doesn't make the machines some company does.  Did the Saudi's need the machines?  Did the american people ask the orange turd to do this?  This is another flaky deal that is going to cost us.  But nobody cares.  Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 22, 2017, 09:56:51 am
If I had invested the money I paid in, I would likely be much better off.

Most people could say the same.  SS is a tax not an investment.  What you put in went to your parents, who probable paid very little, war machines, bullets and bombs.  This continues today where the younger generation will pay for the older generation.  Can you see that changing?

The irony is most people cannot survive on SS mainly because health care costs consumes the benefit.  The biggest drain an any healthcare system is old people.  They are the non working unhealthy class.  Young people have very little need for healthcare as compared to old people.  The primary health care use for young people is either making babies or trying to prevent making babies.  A very minor cost compared to keeping an old person alive for the last few years of their life.

Now our government is actively selling war machines to the Saudi's.  The government doesn't make the machines some company does.  Did the Saudi's need the machines?  Did the american people ask the orange turd to do this?  This is another flaky deal that is going to cost us.  But nobody cares.  Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 22, 2017, 09:59:26 am
SS is a tax not an investment.  What you put in went to your parents, who probable paid very little............... This is the most important thing you just said. The boomers, have not paid the full amount of the SS tax except since around 83 I believe. That is not all of their working life. Since at least the 90's we have known we are going to have a budget shortfall on SS but hte boomers never wanted to fully fund a system they plan on draining dry so I say we cut their benefits now so their children don't suffer.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 22, 2017, 10:46:31 am
so I say we cut their benefits now so their children don't suffer.

All we have to do is cut the ridiculous military spending and we can all have a yacht to retire in.  The yacht can be handed down so our children could trade it for a new one if they wanted to when they get of age.  Although if we stop killing and maiming our youth in these wars we will probably have too many to support.  We will have to create another government program ACC, Adult Child Care.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 22, 2017, 03:17:38 pm
I`d liken SS to an insurance policy - neither an investment, nor a welfare system for the aged.  Those who pay in but die early loose, while those who live longer win - possibly even receiving more in value than they paid in.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on May 22, 2017, 05:29:54 pm
SS Is a Ponzi scheme. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 22, 2017, 05:33:28 pm
No it is not an insurance company because if you die early it goes to your spouse and maybe even your kids.  It is a government program that is funded by taxes.  Nothing else compares to it.  The entitlement primarily benefits older people who are limited on how much they work.  For some reason if your income is derived from investments you don't get penalized.  So Trump can get SS as long as he doesn't draw a paycheck.  Of course he did take his paycheck when he said he wouldn't so at least he can't get SS.  Oh wait a minute I think if you are over 73 you can make as much as you want so maybe he can get SS.
Now if you didn't need to work from age 65 to 73 why would you start working at 73?  Who in their right mind would hire you?  These are the things wrong with most government programs.  There has to be some benefit to the rule makers because things don't make sense to the common folk.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 22, 2017, 06:32:19 pm
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All we have to do is cut the ridiculous military spending and we can all have a yacht to retire in

compared to the entitlement programs the military is a very small part of our spending.  in 2015 we had a $3.8 trillion. 2/3 of the budget is entitlement spending.  military spending has gone down from its peak in 2010 by about 1 billion dollars. Discretionary spending, which includes the military, is actually less than a 1/3 of the budget because of the interest on the federal debt.   

6.5 % of discretionary spending is spent financing the government workings. 
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Joe D on May 23, 2017, 01:04:18 am
Ace, a boat is a hole in the water to throw money at.  The two happiest days for a boat owner the day he get one and then the day he sell it.  I actually made a little on my last boat, wish I still had it.


Joe D
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 23, 2017, 04:13:34 am
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All we have to do is cut the ridiculous military spending and we can all have a yacht to retire in

compared to the entitlement programs the military is a very small part of our spending.  in 2015 we had a $3.8 trillion. 2/3 of the budget is entitlement spending.  military spending has gone down from its peak in 2010 by about 1 billion dollars. Discretionary spending, which includes the military, is actually less than a 1/3 of the budget because of the interest on the federal debt.   

6.5 % of discretionary spending is spent financing the government workings.

I just couldn`t believe those numbers so did a search around - and you are spot on.  Just 16% or so for the military & homeland.  Thanks,
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 23, 2017, 09:32:56 am
https://www.google.com/search?q=chaos+definition&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS590US590&oq=chaos&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.17709j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=federa+government+spending

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What percent of the US budget is spent on the military?
Once you include the 60 percent of the budget that is mandatory spending, the military share plunges from 57 percent to 16 percent, and the categories that include Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid collectively account for a majority of federal spending.Aug 17, 2015


How much money is spent on the military a year?
Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of$598.5 billion.

Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 23, 2017, 12:19:04 pm
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Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of$598.5 billion.

Yes, but what you fail to grasp is that discretionary spending accounts for only 1/3 of all spending and if you take out what is fed to the government, less than 1/3. 

The entire budget is headed for 4 TRILLION dollars.  The majority of that money going to some kind of social welfare program or government funded/backed retirement program AND servicing the debt.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 24, 2017, 02:18:19 pm
""Did the american people ask the orange turd to do this?""

Orange is proving to be 20 times better than HI-Yellow.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 24, 2017, 05:48:25 pm
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Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of$598.5 billion.

Yes, but what you fail to grasp is that discretionary spending accounts for only 1/3 of all spending and if you take out what is fed to the government, less than 1/3. 

Yes, yes, Kathy.  Now eliminate the 54% spent unnecessary on the military that is discretionary and fund health care and then we can all live long happy lives.  It will also not fuel the flames over in the Middle East and maybe we don't need homeland security.  Another huge savings.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on May 24, 2017, 07:15:36 pm
Yes, sir, Ace, and do exactly what Kim Jong-un says 30 days after we do away with the military. Wonderful idea you have there.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 12:16:02 am
Now eliminate the 54% spent unnecessary on the military that is discretionary and fund health care and then we can all live long happy lives.  It will also not fuel the flames over in the Middle East and maybe we don't need homeland security.  Another huge savings. Ace

From the mind of a simpleton.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 25, 2017, 04:59:40 am
...  Now eliminate the 54% spent unnecessary on the military that is discretionary and fund health care ... 

An alternative approach might be to keep military spending level, but significantly increase the social services budget, and of course taxation to cover it.  I am amazed that there is a push to eliminate the US estate/inheritance tax, when it generates so little in taxes, since it is so easy on asset holders. 

Our inheritance taxes kick in at 15% for just $300k and increase to 50% at $3mil. 

Ours is an inheritance tax, paid by the legal recipient, with no limit to the number of such legal recipients, so actually encourages adoptions. 

(What a great way to solve the illegal immigrant issue the US has.   :wink:).
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 25, 2017, 09:26:31 am
I am amazed that there is a push to eliminate the US estate/inheritance tax, when it generates so little in taxes, since it is so easy on asset holders. 

You shouldn't be.  It is just another way of funneling money upwards.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 10:20:26 am
You mean upwards like this?


Pelosi Subsidies Benefit Husband?s Investment in Dem Mega-Donor?s Company
CEO donated to Pelosi, bundled for Obama, as Dem leader boosted his real estate holdings

You can read about it here.  I can find more stories about Nancy and her corrupt friends if you wish.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-subsidies-benefit-husbands-investment-in-dem-mega-donors-company/
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 10:22:47 am
Or this...

Corruption Scandals Led to Harry Reid?s Abrupt ?Retirement?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/03/corruption-scandals-led-to-harry-reids-abrupt-retirement/
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 10:24:13 am
or....

Chuck Schumer?s Buddy Faces Charges For Corruption and Bribery

http://eheadlines.com/chuck-schumers-buddy-faces-charges-for-corruption-and-bribery/
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 25, 2017, 11:22:46 am
Or this...

Corruption Scandals Led to Harry Reid?s Abrupt ?Retirement?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/03/corruption-scandals-led-to-harry-reids-abrupt-retirement/

Lol... I scanned back thru JWs articles and don`t believe I saw one exposing a Republican.  Could it be that Republicans never stink, or did I just miss those articles?  Of course that doesn`t make them wrong, but maybe suspect on facts and thus needing to be confirmed.  Just a guess.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 25, 2017, 07:47:59 pm
Or this...

Corruption Scandals Led to Harry Reid?s Abrupt ?Retirement?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/03/corruption-scandals-led-to-harry-reids-abrupt-retirement/

Lol... I scanned back thru JWs articles and don`t believe I saw one exposing a Republican.  Could it be that Republicans never stink, or did I just miss those articles?  Of course that doesn`t make them wrong, but maybe suspect on facts and thus needing to be confirmed.  Just a guess.

I googled `judicial watch bias` and found a media-bias rating site, and compared JW against The Huffington Post, to see if the site appeared to be non-biased themselves.  IMO, this site checks out.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/

I have also written to PolitiFact to check on JW`s Harry Reid corruption article, but that would take some time, assuming that they agree to take it up.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 10:02:53 pm
Beecan,
I applaud you for searching both sides of the story.
You can find endless anti Republican stories in the following:  ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN...  Nearly 75% of the TV broadcast in the USA.  I recall some organization putting a 94% negative reporting of the major networks against Trump.  I can reference the date if you choose.
None of them fall in the "Least Biased" category in the Media Bias/Fact Checker you so kindly referred to me.
Funny enough, as you would consider Fox biased, as a Conservitive, I would consider AP, Rueters, C-SPAN, Earth Institute, Gallup, Harvard Gazette or anything else Harvard, International Energy Agency, Kaiser Family Foundation, Science Debate, Snopes, Stars and Stripes (but not for the reason you might think), The Jerusalem Post (really?), The Times of India (even more really?), Voice of America (no way), Wikipedia (scrubbed by the wealthy, I mean beltway), World News hardly unbiased, I would think they are left to strong left leaning.  And those are the ones I read. 
So to compare Judicial Watch, I say ehh.  None of the above will cover the JW topics.  Just bias I guess.
Ever hear of George Soros?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 25, 2017, 10:19:33 pm
Also from the Media Biased/Fact Checker Headline:

Beyond the CBO score: How Trump Budget and the AHCA are dismantling America?s safety net
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2017/05/25/beyond-the-cbo-score-how-trump-budget-and-the-ahca-are-dismantling-americas-safety-net/

Of course, an unbiased headline on a fact checker site.

Good day Mr. Beecan
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 26, 2017, 01:07:36 am
jvalentour, Thanks...

I have no issue with a site being biased (which is good, since it seems most are).  I am more concerned with fake, false, and intentionally misleading ? which most are not, though some get so labeled in the heat of debate.  My list of frequented news sites shows a bias mostly to the R-of-Center, and that is good for me to now know.  I just popped USA-Today to the top, since they and Reuters scored best, and shifted CNN down.  IMO, confirmation bias selection ? only reading news which reinforces ones` own political leanings, needs to be overcome, no matter how painful it may seem.

I enjoy reading the news across the various countries I visited while working ? the US, UK, India, Australia, Singapore, and Canada, but spend most of my time on Japan sources.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 29, 2017, 08:23:38 pm
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Yes, yes, Kathy.  Now eliminate the 54% spent unnecessary on the military that is discretionary and fund health care and then we can all live long happy lives.

I am curious as to how you think that would work?  China is currently building islands to extend both its military reach and its control of shipping lanes.  Russia is again practicing expansionist policies both by taking land and by accumulating surrogates including Syria and Iran.  They are also reaching into Central America again.

So we get rid of our military and what do you picture countries like China and Russia doing?  Will they say "Oh America gave up its military so we don't need one either"?  What do you think Iran or the NorKs will do?  What about countries like Somalia? 

Do you believe there is either security or prosperity in isolationism? 
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 30, 2017, 09:30:32 am
I think we should not be selling, giving, or trading a blooming thing that is used for military actions around the world.  I think we should be concentrating on defense not aggression.  I believe we have a lot of smart people in this country and we can build a defense system that will make all nuks useless by jamming their guidance systems.  We know when N Korea sets up a missile before they can shoot it off.  We know when it goes off.  Don't tell me we can't render it useless.  Not after putting a man on the moon 30-40 years ago.
I believe we should never "go it along".  Going it alone builds enemies.  Operating as a partner builds allies.
We have become experts at killing people and breaking things.  Unfortunately that doesn't work.  We don't live in the 16th century.

China understands economics.  They don't need war machines to take us over.
Russia is doomed to fail again.  Too much wealth is concentrated at the top.  This is exactly what will be our demise.

What exactly do you have for a solution Kathy?  More killing and breaking things?

Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 30, 2017, 01:05:56 pm
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What exactly do you have for a solution Kathy?  More killing and breaking things?

I probably would be slower to commit troops than some of our past presidents.  If I came to that point, then yes, killing people and breaking things is the fastest way to bring the conflict to an end.  Pissing around the edges gets people killed, costs money, and extends conflict. 

As for "going it alone" we have not done that since the civil war.  We have either done it with coalitions or at the behest of the UN (Korea). Interestingly people often say that ww2 was the last good war.  They say that without really thinking about why that might be true.  WW2 was the last war we committed to winning no matter what.  When you think of all the conflicts since, we were fighting inferior forces and there is no reason we have not had quick and decisive wins...except that we have lacked the will to do what needed to be done to have those wins. Our having, but not using MOAB is an example. 

Can we blow up the NorKs nukes?  Maybe.  I worry less about them than about Iran.  In both cases it is a political failure that they have gotten as far as they have with their programs.   
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 30, 2017, 05:31:48 pm
Our having, but not using MOAB is an example. 

It has already been proven that breaking things doesn't work.  No country is at war with us.  How can bloodshed and breaking things result in anything other than more bloodshed and breaking things with no winner?  You are dreaming to think that anyone will back down from our aggression.

I worry most about the turd in the white house bringing more really bad things to our citizens.  Biggly.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 30, 2017, 11:25:52 pm
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I worry most about the turd in the white house bringing more really bad things to our citizens.  Biggly.

You can blame the last turd for things being in the condition they are now.  The spread of radicalism and the subsequent deaths are on his head. 

Again I ask you what is your vision of a world with no US intervention...details please of how you think that plays out.  And understand, I am not in favor of a lot of our intervention, but I am in favor of people believing that the MOAB hangs over their head.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: jvalentour on May 31, 2017, 12:36:56 am
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I worry most about the turd in the white house bringing more really bad things to our citizens.  Biggly.

You can blame the last turd for things being in the condition they are now.  The spread of radicalism and the subsequent deaths are on his head. 

Again I ask you what is your vision of a world with no US intervention...details please of how you think that plays out.  And understand, I am not in favor of a lot of our intervention, but I am in favor of people believing that the MOAB hangs over their head.

Kathy, 
We had 8 years of nonintervention and appeasement.  With Iran it worked as a holding action as our EU partners lack a spine and welcome insane immigration.  In the pacific our partners bow to the Chinese currency manipulators to support their declining populations.  A shooting war is inevitable. 
If not with this administration, the next.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on May 31, 2017, 05:46:26 am
  You can blame the last turd for things being in the condition they are now.  The spread of radicalism and the subsequent deaths are on his head. 

Erm... I think it goes back more than one turd....   :smile:
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 31, 2017, 09:23:57 am
I am amazed that there is a push to eliminate the US estate/inheritance tax, when it generates so little in taxes, since it is so easy on asset holders. 

You shouldn't be.  It is just another way of funneling money upwards.

The money has already been taxed in the holders lifetime so I don't really like it but no one really gets pinched by this tax much unless they are pretty poor in estate planning. YOu can plan around it very well.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: bwallace23350 on May 31, 2017, 09:25:11 am
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I worry most about the turd in the white house bringing more really bad things to our citizens.  Biggly.

You can blame the last turd for things being in the condition they are now.  The spread of radicalism and the subsequent deaths are on his head. 

Again I ask you what is your vision of a world with no US intervention...details please of how you think that plays out.  And understand, I am not in favor of a lot of our intervention, but I am in favor of people believing that the MOAB hangs over their head.

Kathy, 
We had 8 years of nonintervention and appeasement.  With Iran it worked as a holding action as our EU partners lack a spine and welcome insane immigration.  In the pacific our partners bow to the Chinese currency manipulators to support their declining populations.  A shooting war is inevitable. 
If not with this administration, the next.

Could you point to me those 8 years of nonintervention and appeasement?
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on May 31, 2017, 10:11:39 am
but I am in favor of people believing that the MOAB hangs over their head.

Why do you believe in that when it doesn't work?  It seems to me you have more of a fear that a MOAB will be used on us.  Why is that?  Why are Republicans so fearful of other countries.  My only guess is how they treat people in other countries.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on May 31, 2017, 02:27:58 pm
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Why are Republicans so fearful of other countries.

1. it is not fear and 2. it is less about countries than about ideology.

The left seems to have this rosy picture of the world that says everyone wants the same peace and security that we want and if we would only be nice, all would be well.

It's a lovely idea, but it is destroyed by the study of the ideologies that various groups embrace.  It is the failure of the left to study those beliefs that leads them to make deals with countries like NK and Iran thinking that if we are only friendly and helpful they will like us.

The communists swore to destroy democracy and capitalism.  The Islamist want to destroy everyone who doesn't believe as they do.  The NKs are just nuts.  They tell us their intent and the left thinks it's a joke to be ignored.  The Iranians want to usher in the Mahdi and have a plan to do it.  None of the intentions of these groups would be mitigated by our niceness. 
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on June 01, 2017, 08:47:34 am
The left seems to have this rosy picture of the world that says everyone wants the same peace and security that we want and if we would only be nice, all would be well.
You say we want "peace" and in the same sentence you say "if we would only be nice".  How does one obtain peace if you are not nice?

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It is the failure of the left to study those beliefs that leads them to make deals with countries like NK and Iran thinking that if we are only friendly and helpful they will like us.
  You rewriting history?  The deal was to get independent inspectors into their country to shut down the nuke program.  I suppose your approach to peace would be to blast them.  It's not hard for me to see and witness this ideology not working for most of my life.
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The communists swore to destroy democracy and capitalism.

We are neither democratic or capitalistic as a whole.  I think we swore to destroy communism.  More of that wanting peace ideology I suppose.  :rolleyes:
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The Islamist want to destroy everyone who doesn't believe as they do.

And so the Republican war mongers that want peace. :sad:

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The NKs are just nuts.
  That is what everyone in the world says about Trump for the same reason.
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They tell us their intent and the left thinks it's a joke to be ignored.

Rewriting history again... Clinton wanted to go after Putin, Assad, and maybe Israel for fueling the flames with the Palestinians.  No one I know on the left thinks aggression is a joke.  Everyone I know on the left wants to stop it and that usually STARTS with example.
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The Iranians want to usher in the Mahdi and have a plan to do it.  None of the intentions of these groups would be mitigated by our niceness.
A radical Muslim is no different than a radical Christian.  Both (and I stress this) are a minority, although the radical Christians in this country way outnumber the radical Muslims in the WORLD.  Both religions are based on accepting their enemies.  Radical groups should be handled by the majority.  Coming together of all countries for the good of all.  The real problem is we (the US) can't be trusted.  We make a pact to do something and then back out.  We are the worst partner in the world because as you say we are not nice.  Who can trust us?  No one.  So many hate us for good reason and they ain't all Muslim countries.  We've earned it.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on June 01, 2017, 12:09:27 pm
Ace, sorry.  None of that is worth the time to address because you just proved my point.  You have no idea what drives any of these people and so can't have a substantive conversation about them.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Psparr on June 01, 2017, 12:25:09 pm
 [/quote]although the radical Christians in this country way outnumber the radical Muslims in the WORLD.
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 Boy Ace, you are quite lost in that fantasy of yours!
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Dallasbeek on June 01, 2017, 12:34:02 pm
The topic is "silence is golden".  I suggest we should be silent and let Ace and company rant into their tin foil hats alone.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: sawdstmakr on June 01, 2017, 12:56:28 pm
The topic is "silence is golden".  I suggest we should be silent and let Ace and company rant into their tin foil hats alone.
Amen.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2017, 01:04:21 pm
""no one really gets pinched by this tax much""

Are you kidding? Anyone who is making a living from year to year with a large single asset, IE: a 200 acre farm, will never have enough cash on hand to pay the 50% plus tax on the value of that asset. It means confiscating the asset and selling it to pay the tax. Then the income is gone and when the little that is left is gone, they have nothing.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on June 01, 2017, 02:48:42 pm
""no one really gets pinched by this tax much""

Are you kidding? Anyone who is making a living from year to year with a large single asset, IE: a 200 acre farm, will never have enough cash on hand to pay the 50% plus tax on the value of that asset. It means confiscating the asset and selling it to pay the tax. Then the income is gone and when the little that is left is gone, they have nothing.

That would be quite a high per acre valuation, since the tax only kicks in at over $5.4mil.  Maybe an illegal poppy field?   :smile:

And as an estate tax, the owner isn`t going to be doing any farming on it since he will be idling away his time in a cemetery somewhere.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2017, 03:57:23 pm
Tell that to the 4th and 5th generations that had their family farms auctioned to pay the inheritance taxes during the 70's when it was in effect. I saw some of the auctions and it was not a pretty site watching the families cry with each hammer down sale of everything there.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: Acebird on June 01, 2017, 05:22:56 pm
And as an estate tax, the owner isn`t going to be doing any farming on it since he will be idling away his time in a cemetery somewhere.

BW was trying to suggest that if you did your homework on estate planning your heirs would pay nothing.  But that means you have to trust your heirs.

BTW this has nothing to do with the original topic "Silence is Golden".  Just saying.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: kathyp on June 01, 2017, 07:18:44 pm
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That would be quite a high per acre valuation, since the tax only kicks in at over $5.4mil.  Maybe an illegal poppy field?

how long have you been out of the country??  And it's not just on land, but on all assets.  equipment, homes, accounts, etc.  You can be living in a dump and have that much in assets easily.  And all those things have already been taxed and will be taxed again in the course of use or sale. 

The death tax was originally designed to hit the super rich, but having 5 mil in assets if you own land or a business is nothing these days. Not that it was ever fair to double tax the super rich, but it is doubly unfair to have this tax as it is now.
Title: Re: Silence is Golden
Post by: beecanbee on June 01, 2017, 07:33:26 pm
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That would be quite a high per acre valuation, since the tax only kicks in at over $5.4mil.  Maybe an illegal poppy field?

how long have you been out of the country??  And it's not just on land, but on all assets.  equipment, homes, accounts, etc.  You can be living in a dump and have that much in assets easily.  And all those things have already been taxed and will be taxed again in the course of use or sale. 

The death tax was originally designed to hit the super rich, but having 5 mil in assets if you own land or a business is nothing these days. Not that it was ever fair to double tax the super rich, but it is doubly unfair to have this tax as it is now.

Fairly sure that it was just 0.1 % of estates that get hit, and that even then they get that $5.4mil deduction before being taxed at all.